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Quote from: aesma on October 18, 2020, 09:49:38 AM

Well the Tesla roadster, or even just the new model S plaid, is faster than pretty much anything road legal out there, on a track. Not in top speed, because there is no real point.

Are you sure about it?

Tesla Roadster, 0-100 3.9 sec Max speed 200kmh
Ferrari f90 stradale, Hybrid: 0-100 2.5 sec Max speed >340km/h
Porsche 918 Hybrid: 0-100 2.5 sec > Max speed >340km/h

Ferrari ofcourse is using the tech from the F1 car.

I'm talking about the new Tesla Roadster coming out next year, with sub 2s 0-100Km/h and 400Km/h top speed. https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Don't get me wrong if I had the money I would take a Ferrari or a Porsche (in fact I'm looking at a used Porsche Boxster S 987 as they're quite cheap), but Tesla having that kind of halo car, and letting you buy a very fast cheaper car (Model 3 Performance) will focus the minds of people on electric cars not just being environmentally friendly but also the epitome of performance. It has already happened with plenty of Tesla beating very powerful gas cars in drag races.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 19, 2020, 07:20:14 AM

I also think that Ferrari is great in road cars as they are not robot built like other cars or at least Ferrari claims so.This means they have a higher engineering precision as everything is mounted from real persons,again as per Ferrari claims.

I would love to add the Nisan Skyline Gtr here as they are doing pretty good in top speed but I am not sure for 0-100 how fast they can be.

Official the Skyline is dead or the name, at time i think all "Skyline" were sold under Nissan GT-R?

Actually the Nissan GT-R "Nismo" have a time from 0 - 100km/h 2,8 sec.Max speed ~ 315 km/h

Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R

Back to the MotoGP race yesterday, 10 races and 8 different winners, the World Cup couldn't be more exciting. Yamaha apparently had serious problems with the tires in the race after a perfect qualifying.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/saison-2020.html

So the current leader in the championship is Suzuki driver Mir, Mir have a very good race pace this year, also the brother from Marc surprise me the last 2 races. Shocked

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I also think that Ferrari is great in road cars as they are not robot built like other cars or at least Ferrari claims so.This means they have a higher engineering precision as everything is mounted from real persons,again as per Ferrari claims.

I would love to add the Nisan Skyline Gtr here as they are doing pretty good in top speed but I am not sure for 0-100 how fast they can be.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 18, 2020, 12:32:17 PM

Quote from: aesma on October 18, 2020, 09:49:38 AM

Well the Tesla roadster, or even just the new model S plaid, is faster than pretty much anything road legal out there, on a track. Not in top speed, because there is no real point.

Are you sure about it?

Tesla Roadster, 0-100 3.9 sec Max speed 200kmh
Ferrari f90 stradale, Hybrid: 0-100 2.5 sec Max speed >340km/h
Porsche 918 Hybrid: 0-100 2.5 sec > Max speed >340km/h

Ferrari ofcourse is using the tech from the F1 car.

I think Ferrari is the only team who use the technic from Formula1 also in his Hyper Sports Cars all other is for mainstream not suitable. For cost reduction the Formula1 must go back to simplified drive units that are cheaper to develop and research. Electric have no future in the motorsport for all other the already have the Electric-series or interesting as esports. Why not better engines with synthetic fuel?

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Quote from: aesma on October 18, 2020, 09:49:38 AM

Well the Tesla roadster, or even just the new model S plaid, is faster than pretty much anything road legal out there, on a track. Not in top speed, because there is no real point.

Are you sure about it?

Tesla Roadster, 0-100 3.9 sec Max speed 200kmh
Ferrari f90 stradale, Hybrid: 0-100 2.5 sec Max speed >340km/h
Porsche 918 Hybrid: 0-100 2.5 sec > Max speed >340km/h

Ferrari ofcourse is using the tech from the F1 car.

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Well the Tesla roadster, or even just the new model S plaid, is faster than pretty much anything road legal out there, on a track. Not in top speed, because there is no real point.

How long you can "attack" with such a car compared to a Ferrari/Lambo, I don't know. These burn quite a lot of fuel when you're attacking so they might not go that far either. I think at the Le Mans 24h race for example, GT cars burn about 40 liters for 100Km !

I think F1 should embrace efficiency, and have a rule to reduce fuel consumption each year, 5 liters less per race for example. The problem is that to do that, they should have the possibility to improve their engine, ERS etc.

In fact what would be great would be no rule on drivetrain other than the quantity and type of fuel, say 100l of E85. The battery must not be charged externally, so the only energy you get is from these 100l of fuel, now do whatever you want to win races. Have a 3 cylinder or a V12, or maybe a fuel cell ? 4 wheel drive ? Go for it !

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Quote from: aesma on October 16, 2020, 01:54:07 PM

The main problem with F1 today is that cars can't evolve enough. It used to be that cars evolved all the time, manufacturers found all kinds of tricks to go quicker during a season, but most of that has been banned, due to rising costs.

Don't get me wrong, it's logical, otherwise running a F1 team would cost 1 billion a year and nobody would do it, but they have not found a way to reduce costs while keeping things as interesting.

Sky News UK commentators want something like a reverse grid to spice things up, I'm not sure that's a good idea though, that would cause more crashes, and crashes are costs, too.

There isn't that much of an improvement in the car world neither, that could be one of the main reasons. Instead of making cars that could break sound barrier or however fast it could get, people are focusing on making cheaper and more efficient cars.

Look at the most hyped new car, it is tesla (well others are still famous, tesla is just up and comer) and that is not as fast as super race cars, usually the ones that got interest was lambo type of cars, now it is electric, we actually have formula electric cars as well so that is the direction we are going and they do have decent improvements. Think about the difference between cars from 1940 to 1950, or even at 1970 to 1980, but take a look at 2010 to 2020, sure there were some improvements no doubt but not as much as those days.

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Basically they want to build engines but not develop them. Or maybe have Honda still build them, then RedBull run them, but Honda wouldn't be doing any development, so RedBull is asking for a freeze.

We were just talking above about how freezing everything in F1 is what makes it less entertaining...

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Vietnam's first Formula One grand prix has been officially cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic, organisers said on Friday.

The Vietnamese Grand Prix was originally scheduled to take place in April on the streets of Hanoi as the third race of the season, but sources told Reuters in March that it was under threat.

I visited Hanoi a couple years ago, too bad they had to cancel. I wonder if that's because Vietnam has so few cases and don't want foreigners bringing the virus, or if the virus is more widespread there than is officially admitted...

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So Redbull asked for buying the technology of Honda's Engines but they want to stop the progress in motors after the 2022.

Mercedes said, "yes sure, why not Grin

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Ferrari said "Not at all"

Redbull asked for Mercedes engines

Mercedes said, "yes sure, free engines so you can maybe win something, just kidding! NO"
Ferrari said "maybe probably no"

How it will end?

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At time at MotoGP Qualification looks like Yamaha land, all Ducati must at Q1 that's wonder me. Huh

It looks for a Yamaha front row, but i hope for the race another manufacture crash the Yamaha front row.

Sorry for Rossi, the Yamaha looks really good at Aragon for bis 200 podium.

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Quote from: dre1982 on October 16, 2020, 06:06:49 AM

OK I need weekend Grin

I was checking the stream for the Free Practice for the F1 and find out they weren't live. Then I finally noticed the date. Roll Eyes

Yep I was doing the same earlier.

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Portugal Algarve 25 Oct
Emilia Romagna Imola 1 Nov
Turkey Istanbul 15 Nov
Bahrain Bahrain 29 Nov
Sakhir Bahrain 6 Dec
Abu Dhabi Yas Marina 13 Dec

Source: https://www.autosport.com/f1/calendar

Next gp in 8 days and it will be in Portugal and it seems a nice track for overtaking.

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Quote from: aesma on October 16, 2020, 01:54:07 PM

The main problem with F1 today is that cars can't evolve enough. It used to be that cars evolved all the time, manufacturers found all kinds of tricks to go quicker during a season, but most of that has been banned, due to rising costs.

Don't get me wrong, it's logical, otherwise running a F1 team would cost 1 billion a year and nobody would do it, but they have not found a way to reduce costs while keeping things as interesting.

Sky News UK commentators want something like a reverse grid to spice things up, I'm not sure that's a good idea though, that would cause more crashes, and crashes are costs, too.

It is not about the crashes though, there would not be any more crashes then they have now, drivers would adapt. Problem is that if you say you are a pinnacle of motorsports and then you do artificial things like reverse grid, limiting tire life, restricting how much fuel can a car use, etc.

F1 should go back to original core values, not attempt to create a show for noobs.

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The main problem with F1 today is that cars can't evolve enough. It used to be that cars evolved all the time, manufacturers found all kinds of tricks to go quicker during a season, but most of that has been banned, due to rising costs.

Don't get me wrong, it's logical, otherwise running a F1 team would cost 1 billion a year and nobody would do it, but they have not found a way to reduce costs while keeping things as interesting.

Sky News UK commentators want something like a reverse grid to spice things up, I'm not sure that's a good idea though, that would cause more crashes, and crashes are costs, too.

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OK I need weekend Grin

I was checking the stream for the Free Practice for the F1 and find out they weren't live. Then I finally noticed the date. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 15, 2020, 05:18:52 PM

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Next Bad news for #46 after three falls the last 3 Rades, Roosis Covid19 test are positive...

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-miss-aragon-gp-positive-covid-19-test/4892343

So he will miss one or maybe all two Aragon GP races. But how reliable are all these teats when you have to test so often?

I was writing the same thing about Rossi, here is his post in English

Source on his twitter: https://twitter.com/ValeYellow46/status/1316783079755862017/photo/2

I think he will skip atleast 3 gps.

Fun side note, this can be the Moto GP with the Champion with the less amount of point ever.

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Next Bad news for #46 after three falls the last 3 Rades, Roosis Covid19 test are positive...

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-miss-aragon-gp-positive-covid-19-test/4892343

So he will miss one or maybe all two Aragon GP races. But how reliable are all these teats when you have to test so often?

I think when the test that often it should be reliable.

You see a lot of sporters now getting Corona, also a lot of footballers. I think testen that often is the only way to keep it going. If they stop testing, the whole field will get it and then you can stop the matches.

@coinlocket$ it’s really sad to see that a sports person who’s followed all the covid rules, yet got infected by covid. Furthermore like it or not these tests are reliable, because no sporting event would like to have corona cases on record as it’s an unnecessary distraction for them, hence I feel that these test results can be trusted.

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Quote from: -CryptoViking- on October 14, 2020, 03:51:24 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 13, 2020, 11:01:14 AM

Yes, and I know it but the reason used by Honda is "we already found what we are looking for our future electric cars in the mainstream" so the evolution seems to be already dead.

Even if they are going in full-electric mode teams are not interested in joining the race so maybe they need to go in the opposite direction, like American races where they race without thinking about the evolution of the mainstream.

I think we will eventually make a full circle and come back to the old ways, same like it happens with fashion and everything else. This type of racing is not attractive enough, there should also be more mechanical grip, harder to overtake and such. I would love for refueling to come back too, but I don't think that I will get to see that.

You reminded me of the old days where McLaren used to have the biggest fuel tank and where races were decided from many factors beside the driver skills.I think that should be very good for us to change back to that kind of racing as emotions will be bigger and guaranteed during a F1 season,a thing which is not guaranteed during this and upcoming seasons of F1.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 15, 2020, 05:01:03 PM

Next Bad news for #46 after three falls the last 3 Rades, Roosis Covid19 test are positive...

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-miss-aragon-gp-positive-covid-19-test/4892343

So he will miss one or maybe all two Aragon GP races. But how reliable are all these teats when you have to test so often?

I think when the test that often it should be reliable.

You see a lot of sporters now getting Corona, also a lot of footballers. I think testen that often is the only way to keep it going. If they stop testing, the whole field will get it and then you can stop the matches.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 15, 2020, 05:01:03 PM

Next Bad news for #46 after three falls the last 3 Rades, Roosis Covid19 test are positive...

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-miss-aragon-gp-positive-covid-19-test/4892343

So he will miss one or maybe all two Aragon GP races. But how reliable are all these teats when you have to test so often?

I was writing the same thing about Rossi, here is his post in English

Source on his twitter: https://twitter.com/ValeYellow46/status/1316783079755862017/photo/2

I think he will skip atleast 3 gps.

Fun side note, this can be the Moto GP with the Champion with the less amount of point ever.

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Next Bad news for #46 after three falls the last 3 Rades, Roosis Covid19 test are positive...

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-miss-aragon-gp-positive-covid-19-test/4892343

So he will miss one or maybe all two Aragon GP races. But how reliable are all these teats when you have to test so often?

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Quote from: -CryptoViking- on October 15, 2020, 12:27:41 PM

Less good tires are terrible solution and no real racer will ever say different. Point of Formula 1 is to see best racing drivers in the world drive fastest and best racing cars in the world, but not just drive them. The key is to drive them on the limit.

With tires less good as you say we will never again watch cars and drivers on the limit and finding that limit. For me that is the core of F1. Everything else is politics and bullshit for the show which we are experiencing for the last decade or so.

Well in a scenario where one team is stronger and every teams does 4 pits, the faster team should win but the entraitaiment grows.
F1 need entraitaiment to grow and bring more sponsor, with more sponsor more money will go in the game.

With more money in the game maybe and hopefull the other team will join the game.

A random team like BWM atm has no interest to spend 150m/y for no reason.

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