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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 12, 2020, 08:17:23 AM

ok Ferrari is a joke this year, they can retire their car and wait for next year.

They toched themself when they were around 10th position. What a disaster.

Mercedes probably already won the title.

Vettel was pretty wise to leave after this year. The politics behind the scenes and the struggle prolly wasn't worth fighting for another contract at the team.

And the writing was on the wall when Leclerc went in anyway.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 12, 2020, 08:17:23 AM

ok Ferrari is a joke this year, they can retire their car and wait for next year.

They toched themself when they were around 10th position. What a disaster.

Mercedes probably already won the title.

Worst case for Ferrari this weekend, the last weekend Ferrari have many luck i think. The performance are normally not good enough for the second place.
The Hungary Brand prix is slower than the Austria, maybe Ferrari is there better or the same slow performance?

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ok Ferrari is a joke this year, they can retire their car and wait for next year.

They toched themself when they were around 10th position. What a disaster.

Mercedes probably already won the title.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 11, 2020, 05:30:44 PM

Damn, seems it was interesting qualifying in wet conditions, unfortunately I wasn't at home to watch it. But as I see, tomorrow race will be dry probably. Haven't followed what's going on in recent days, but after looking at Ferrari results, seems they haven't prepared upgrade for Styrian GP, right?
BTW, now I watch IndyCar race, and I see that there is lot of spectators in the track. Situation with corona is worse in US than in Europe, but they are still held race with spectators. Why F1 can't let at least limited number spectators to watch race in track.

Yes Ferrari have this weekend New aerodynamic parts, but the result is not so good than Ferrari think. All powered Teams with Ferrari engine are not so fast than last year. Maybe the make or have also planed a engine upgrade?

Many work for the Ferrari development.

For spectators i think the next rating are at August?

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Damn, seems it was interesting qualifying in wet conditions, unfortunately I wasn't at home to watch it. But as I see, tomorrow race will be dry probably. Haven't followed what's going on in recent days, but after looking at Ferrari results, seems they haven't prepared upgrade for Styrian GP, right?
BTW, now I watch IndyCar race, and I see that there is lot of spectators in the track. Situation with corona is worse in US than in Europe, but they are still held race with spectators. Why F1 can't let at least limited number spectators to watch race in track.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 11, 2020, 03:44:45 PM

Well adding more s**t to Ferrari's race.

LeClerc got a penalty of 3 positions and he will now start from the 14th place.

The penalty was for obstructing another driver during the qualify session.

That is an incident with Daniil Kvyat if iI remember correctly. I would say that is going to make a big impact, Ferrari's only chance to reach podium is if we have another thriller race with safety cars and chaos.On pure performance they don't look good enough, but there is a bit of light in this doom and gloom scenario for Ferrari.

Vettel's pace on mediums in long run simulations on FP2 was actually competitive and on par with others from top teams and if lady luck decides to help a bit Ferrari could end up near podiums or even on podium again.

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Well adding more s**t to Ferrari's race.

LeClerc got a penalty of 3 positions and he will now start from the 14th place.

The penalty was for obstructing another driver during the qualify session.

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Hamilton make a very fast Qualy time, Verstappen have no luck in bis last round and turn. Ferrari looks slower than last weekend. Tomorrow are dry track so looks interesting for the race.

Sky's commentator they were talking about a full dry setup for a Ferrari because they think "Ferrari already know they suck so they may have done the setup only for the race to get a big advantage while other they have done the setup for the wet track too"

Hamilton is a god with the rain and Verstappen is close to him.

It is a real possibility since both Ferrrari's looked a bit too slow if you ask me. Yes they lack a lot of everything, straight speed, aero, but I think the gap was a bit much for my taste to be just the skill and the car, so dry setup could be a solid explanation for quali performance.

It will be another crazy race by the looks of it and I can't wait for it to start. This might be one really interesting season after all despite Merc domination as midfield is getting so tightly packed.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 11, 2020, 10:13:31 AM

Hamilton make a very fast Qualy time, Verstappen have no luck in bis last round and turn. Ferrari looks slower than last weekend. Tomorrow are dry track so looks interesting for the race.

Sky's commentator they were talking about a full dry setup for a Ferrari because they think "Ferrari already know they suck so they may have done the setup only for the race to get a big advantage while other they have done the setup for the wet track too"

Hamilton is a god with the rain and Verstappen is close to him.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 11, 2020, 09:30:00 AM

They are doing qualify under the rain and the music is always the same.

Hamilton and Verstappen are the faster with the rain, Ferrari is a disaster too under the rain Grin

Hamilton make a very fast qualy time nobody can beat this, Verstappen have no luck in his last round and turn so the last chance for improvement . Ferrari looks slower than the last weekend. Tomorrow are dry track so looks interesting for the race.

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They are doing qualify under the rain and the music is always the same.

Hamilton and Verstappen are the faster with the rain, Ferrari is a disaster too under the rain Grin

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BREAKING NEWS!
Alonso is going to race and return back to the F1 in 2021.
He is going to race for Renault. This sounds very interesting!

Could be good for F1 I guess... But I think getting some new faces and talents in is a better idea imho.

Anyway what's next for Vettel? I could see him pair up with Verstappen and Hamilton. Both Albon and Bottas look despensible.

It is mainly good for Alonso itself... Guess he needs some extra cash, as with his Renault car, he will never be able to claim a top spot in any race.
The return of Alonso means one spot less for a young talent, who don't have the network or cash to claim the spot.

Yup... I mean do the fans still want to see a sour old man back in F1?

Get some new blood in the game imho and revive F1. And it's what they brought Ross Brawn for.

Edit: Quali delayed. Wet track.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 11, 2020, 01:24:04 AM

I think he should choose to go to a weaker team and just change ambient.He should show his skills with a weaker team and that will be a kind of personal comeback and if he shows good results with this team probably someone of the big teams may think to get him.If he quit for a year maybe he will not be as competitive as he is now.

The issues is that he is not competitive now either. I don't question his motivation as he is one of the rare normal guys on the grid that just wants to race without PR bullshit around it, but he is making quite a lot of mistakes in last years and Ferrari is not in the good shape because of the engine issues this season and it seems that will continue throughout the entire season unless they manage to somehow minimize that with some updates.

Taking all written above into consideration it might be better to take one year of, recharge batteries, restore yourself and inner fire and then come back again with hunger if there is enough fuel in the tank left to go through that process.

All of us humans sometime need time to reinvent and reinforce ourselves, discover a new identity with new set of values, F1 drivers are no exceptions.

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I think he should choose to go to a weaker team and just change ambient.He should show his skills with a weaker team and that will be a kind of personal comeback and if he shows good results with this team probably someone of the big teams may think to get him.If he quit for a year maybe he will not be as competitive as he is now.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 08, 2020, 12:34:23 PM

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Quote from: Naida_BR on July 08, 2020, 09:03:22 AM

BREAKING NEWS!
Alonso is going to race and return back to the F1 in 2021.
He is going to race for Renault. This sounds very interesting!

Could be good for F1 I guess... But I think getting some new faces and talents in is a better idea imho.

Anyway what's next for Vettel? I could see him pair up with Verstappen and Hamilton. Both Albon and Bottas look despensible.

Mercedes were clear on their view on Bottas.He will stay with the team and I think he started the Championship with the right foot this year by getting a win in the first race.Vettel lately is doing a lot of errors which is why he is not offered a new contract from Ferrari.Alonso is a great driver but the age is not in his favor so I don’t expect anything from him next year except a podium as a maximum achievement.

Mercedes have a good team, Hamilton as #1 and Bottas as good an "thank you" sing man the also can win. Never change a running and good system i think. For Mercedes no reason and i think Bottas cheaper than Vettel. Mercedes lern from the #1 pair Hamilton/Rosberg

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It is mainly good for Alonso itself... Guess he needs some extra cash, as with his Renault car, he will never be able to claim a top spot in any race.
The return of Alonso means one spot less for a young talent, who don't have the network or cash to claim the spot.

I believe that we all are on the same page, that Alonso return is nothing to be excited about because he’s not young anymore, and I may just cheer for him because of sentimental reasons, but realistically I’m not expecting him to win any races. Furthermore Vettle has openly declared that he may walk out of F1 if he doesn’t get a lucrative contract, so do you’ll believe that he will actually walk away from F1?, or it’s just his ploy to get a lucrative contract from one of the rival teams?.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/auto-racing/vettel-could-walk-away-from-f1-for-good-without-right-offer/2020/07/02/c4b8be72-bc80-11ea-97c1-6cf116ffe26c_story.html

I truly believe Vettel will leave F1 for 1 season at least if he does not perform like a beast this season, even though that might not be enough. Driver spots are almost consolidated and I don't see spots open in any major team, which is why I believe he will take 1 year break. I don't see Vettel signing for any of the teams like Haas, Williams or Alfa Romeo...

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 08, 2020, 12:34:23 PM

Quote from: swogerino on July 08, 2020, 09:28:03 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on July 08, 2020, 09:13:09 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on July 08, 2020, 09:03:22 AM

BREAKING NEWS!
Alonso is going to race and return back to the F1 in 2021.
He is going to race for Renault. This sounds very interesting!

Could be good for F1 I guess... But I think getting some new faces and talents in is a better idea imho.

Anyway what's next for Vettel? I could see him pair up with Verstappen and Hamilton. Both Albon and Bottas look despensible.

Mercedes were clear on their view on Bottas.He will stay with the team and I think he started the Championship with the right foot this year by getting a win in the first race.Vettel lately is doing a lot of errors which is why he is not offered a new contract from Ferrari.Alonso is a great driver but the age is not in his favor so I don’t expect anything from him next year except a podium as a maximum achievement.

Mercedes have a good team, Hamilton as #1 and Bottas as good an "thank you" sing man the also can win. Never change a running and good system i think. For Mercedes no reason and i think Bottas cheaper than Vettel. Mercedes lern from the #1 pair Hamilton/Rosberg

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It is mainly good for Alonso itself... Guess he needs some extra cash, as with his Renault car, he will never be able to claim a top spot in any race.
The return of Alonso means one spot less for a young talent, who don't have the network or cash to claim the spot.

I believe that we all are on the same page, that Alonso return is nothing to be excited about because he’s not young anymore, and I may just cheer for him because of sentimental reasons, but realistically I’m not expecting him to win any races. Furthermore Vettle has openly declared that he may walk out of F1 if he doesn’t get a lucrative contract, so do you’ll believe that he will actually walk away from F1?, or it’s just his ploy to get a lucrative contract from one of the rival teams?.

Source:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/auto-racing/vettel-could-walk-away-from-f1-for-good-without-right-offer/2020/07/02/c4b8be72-bc80-11ea-97c1-6cf116ffe26c_story.html

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I played over 15.5 classified riders @1.85 in F1 this weekend for medium stakes. Weather will be colder this time, which should help with the brakes getting too hot. Mercedes and Honda are said to have figured out what went wrong last week and should be able to fix it. Already in the last years we saw the cars getting more and more reliable and the number of cars completing the races went up steadily.

>15,5 cars classified:

2017: 60.0%
2018: 66.7%
2019: 90.5%

>17.5 cars classified:

2017: 15.0%
2018: 23.8%
2019: 66.7%

Sources: 2017, 2018, 2019

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 10, 2020, 05:37:27 AM

FP3 Last Week

FP3 Today

Source 1: https://www.automoto.it/formula1/f1-gp-austria-2020-fp3-hamilton-al-top.html
Source 2: https://twitter.com/Olimpiadas_Fire/status/1281537215915601920/photo/1

Overall cars are slower, for now, they are testing new things and not interest on pushing.

I think the same, most teams testing new parts today. By us in Austria it is very hot today and the next day very cold and maybe heavy rain so the can test or optimize the setup for the racing day. Tomorrow maybe heavy rain for the qualifying.

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FP3 Last Week

FP3 Today

Source 1: https://www.automoto.it/formula1/f1-gp-austria-2020-fp3-hamilton-al-top.html
Source 2: https://twitter.com/Olimpiadas_Fire/status/1281537215915601920/photo/1

Overall cars are slower, for now, they are testing new things and not interest on pushing.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 10, 2020, 04:05:16 AM

I was looking for the FP3 of the Austrian GP and I saw a shedule from SKY.

They added GP of Mugello and Russia to the official schedule!

Are these GPS now official too?

Yes, these GP's is official, it's already confirmed on F1 website:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-adds-mugello-and-sochi-to-revised-2020-f1-race-calendar.2tpfQ80LAax8Q0j0OIxdct.html
It will be interesting to see F1 race on Mugello track, while Sochi is one of the most boring tracks in F1.
Eventually they are going to add more GP's, like Bahrain and Abu Dhabi.

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