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Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

I agree with rumors if they will happen to be true.Mattia Binotto has had his time at Ferrari and he has not showed anything better than its predecessor which I forgot the name now but it was one guy with white beard.Ferrari is really slow compared to the cars leading the Championship and I would fire him too if he didn’t show any signs of improvement in this upcoming Hungary Gp.

It is Mauricio Arrivabene and to be honest he was at least 5 times better in managing Ferrari team and drivers then Binotto.

Binotto deserved to be fired long ago, I don't see that any upcoming races can change that fact. It should be more then enough to fire him if you look at the state of the car, drivers, team and direction in which Ferrari is going at the moment. Or better said the direction in which Ferrari is certainly not going and that is wining titles.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 13, 2020, 01:52:28 AM

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

Do you real think that Ferrari can win the constructors championship with a Rotation of Vettel and Leclerc?
Even if they had the same car like Mercedes they will never win it. Both drivers are arrogant and they are not team players. Just see how Bottas react in the races when he is driving along Hamilton.

If they had the car they could certainly win the constructors championship, but issue is not the car.Issue with Ferrari is the race management and pit wall with Binotto at the top. They make bad calls when it's the most important and that is what needs to be fixed first, not the drivers.

I agree that they have a huge management problem.
This creates a problem to the drivers decision. If Binotto had made clear about the lineup and the driving styles that both drivers should follow we would not have such collides.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 14, 2020, 09:14:06 AM

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

I agree with rumors if they will happen to be true.Mattia Binotto has had his time at Ferrari and he has not showed anything better than its predecessor which I forgot the name now but it was one guy with white beard.Ferrari is really slow compared to the cars leading the Championship and I would fire him too if he didn’t show any signs of improvement in this upcoming Hungary Gp.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 14, 2020, 09:14:06 AM

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

Do you have a source for that, would like to read it. I personally think that this season would be best to initiate some big structural changes, car is not competitive, Ferrari really does not have too much to lose this season, besides some money.

It would be smart of them to use this as an opportunity to shake things up and make some long awaited changes in the team management.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 14, 2020, 09:14:06 AM

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

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Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on July 14, 2020, 02:38:37 AM

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Quote from: swogerino on July 13, 2020, 01:52:28 AM

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

Do you real think that Ferrari can win the constructors championship with a Rotation of Vettel and Leclerc?
Even if they had the same car like Mercedes they will never win it. Both drivers are arrogant and they are not team players. Just see how Bottas react in the races when he is driving along Hamilton.

If they had the car they could certainly win the constructors championship, but issue is not the car.Issue with Ferrari is the race management and pit wall with Binotto at the top. They make bad calls when it's the most important and that is what needs to be fixed first, not the drivers.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 13, 2020, 09:38:59 AM

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Quote from: swogerino on July 13, 2020, 01:52:28 AM

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

Do you real think that Ferrari can win the constructors championship with a Rotation of Vettel and Leclerc?
Even if they had the same car like Mercedes they will never win it. Both drivers are arrogant and they are not team players. Just see how Bottas react in the races when he is driving along Hamilton.

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He is young and he is (was) in a competitive team.
Do you remember Verstappen 2 years ago? He was crashing into ANYone. Give him some time he is talented as few.

He is stronger than Vettel, stronger than a 4times World Champions.

The question is, is Vettel strong or he won only because the RedBull is strong like the Mercedes Today?

2019
7 poles VS 2 poles

https://i.imgur.com/UV5Jc9x.png
Source: https://www.racing-statistics.com/en/drivers/compare/charles-leclerc/sebastian-vettel/seasons/2019

Yeah, sometimes Leclerc reminds me what Verstappen was doing few years ago. He is still very young and some of his nistakes is understandable because lack of experience and other factors. But I'm not sure that we can say that he is already better than Vettel. Yes, he have more poles and a bit more poles. But he did quite a lot mistakes, but people tend to forget it and focus on what Vettel did wrong.
I don't think that Vettel won all his titles just because he had best car.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on July 13, 2020, 02:33:25 AM

Quote from: swogerino on July 13, 2020, 01:52:28 AM

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on July 10, 2020, 11:44:48 AM

I played over 15.5 classified riders @1.85 in F1 this weekend for medium stakes.

17 cars classified. If Leclerc actually had a brain, it would have been a lot easier (most likely), but anyway the bet was won.

A friend of mine played Perez tb Norris and was fuming when that collision happened near the end. Well, thats betting Grin

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Quote from: swogerino on July 13, 2020, 01:52:28 AM

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

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Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

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Quote from: boltz on July 12, 2020, 10:05:50 AM

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position Sad

He is young and he is (was) in a competitive team.
Do you remember Verstappen 2 years ago? He was crashing into ANYone. Give him some time he is talented as few.

He is stronger than Vettel, stronger than a 4times World Champions.

The question is, is Vettel strong or he won only because the RedBull is strong like the Mercedes Today?

2019
7 poles VS 2 poles

Source: https://www.racing-statistics.com/en/drivers/compare/charles-leclerc/sebastian-vettel/seasons/2019

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 12, 2020, 02:25:56 PM

^ I agree about thoughts about Leclerc. He is very talented driver, but his behaviour is something what I don't like. And I just feel sorry for Seb because this season will be very difficult for him. It's something like living with your ex.
I think Red Bull made mistake with such early pit stop. Even Max asked why they made pit stop so early. With old tyres he had no chance to defend against Bottas.
Next weekend we will have Hungarian GP and it's quite boring track. Good that we have only 1 race there Cheesy

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Quote from: boltz on July 12, 2020, 12:47:59 PM

Both Bottas and Leclerc violated the terms on Corona rules and even more why did Hamilton drink from the bottle and then he sprays his team with it ? That was not so smart , right ?

Only Leclerc violated terms, Bottas didn't left his "social bubble" when he returned back home to Monaco.

I feel sorry for Seb aswell even if I'm not a Ferrari fan but when a kid comes into a big team like this and starts to acts childish and makes mistake like this, normally, would make Ferrari over think the seat of Binotto and Leclerc aswell as Seb did a really good job in 2018 until Leclerc came into team.

Now, lets not be too drastic with this kid as in 2019 he proved he was talented but the car was cheating the rules with that oil infuse into gasoline and also a power unit that was way above the regulations. I would say that in 2021, Ferrari will have 2 drivers that will stomp on each other in order to prove something ... .

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^ I agree about thoughts about Leclerc. He is very talented driver, but his behaviour is something what I don't like. And I just feel sorry for Seb because this season will be very difficult for him. It's something like living with your ex.
I think Red Bull made mistake with such early pit stop. Even Max asked why they made pit stop so early. With old tyres he had no chance to defend against Bottas.
Next weekend we will have Hungarian GP and it's quite boring track. Good that we have only 1 race there Cheesy

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Quote from: boltz on July 12, 2020, 12:47:59 PM

Both Bottas and Leclerc violated the terms on Corona rules and even more why did Hamilton drink from the bottle and then he sprays his team with it ? That was not so smart , right ?

Only Leclerc violated terms, Bottas didn't left his "social bubble" when he returned back home to Monaco.

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Quote from: boltz on July 12, 2020, 10:05:50 AM

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position Sad

I am not a big fan of Leclerc, he is talented but too arrogant. Also not the smartest person with his violation of the Corona rules.

It is too bad that a lot of young talents don't get a real chance if they don't have the money or network.

Both Bottas and Leclerc violated the terms on Corona rules and even more why did Hamilton drink from the bottle and then he sprays his team with it ? That was not so smart , right ? Anyway , the race was good but not so entertained as the previous one. A lot of young talents are waiting in F2 but I do hope we will see Mick instead of Leclerc.

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Quote from: boltz on July 12, 2020, 10:05:50 AM

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position Sad

I am not a big fan of Leclerc, he is talented but too arrogant. Also not the smartest person with his violation of the Corona rules.

It is too bad that a lot of young talents don't get a real chance if they don't have the money or network.

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Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position Sad

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Start - Finish victory from Hamilton, very interesting race in the middle field between rank 4 and 8. The Ferrari powerd cars in it's own to slow to drive in the points.
Next weekend different track so the cards are mixed new, but i think the favorites are the same Mercedes and Max.

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