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Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 16, 2015, 01:02:34 PM

Quote from: cozytrade on October 16, 2015, 11:59:14 AM

Mark Karpeles spent 6,000,000 JPY ( 50 K USD ) for order made bed. Although not covered well by the media (http://motherboard.vice.com/tag/Mark+Karpeles), The bed was so special for BDSM play with Japanese prostitutes. I wonder if the bed has been sold via auction to convert their asset to money (or bitcoins).

That is your guess, right? He is married and has a child, IIRC. Not that one thing excludes the other, but...

Apart from guesswork and assumptions, there's not much we can do at this point. The aftermath of the legal actions is yet to be revealed and it's now Mid-October. I presume the situation will continue until sometime in 2016 and frankly I begin to lose any hope that we will manage to get ANYTHING back. Maybe that's what they were after in the first place... Undecided

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Quote from: cozytrade on October 16, 2015, 11:59:14 AM

Mark Karpeles spent 6,000,000 JPY ( 50 K USD ) for order made bed. Although not covered well by the media (http://motherboard.vice.com/tag/Mark+Karpeles), The bed was so special for BDSM play with Japanese prostitutes. I wonder if the bed has been sold via auction to convert their asset to money (or bitcoins).

That is your guess, right? He is married and has a child, IIRC. Not that one thing excludes the other, but...

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Mark Karpeles spent 6,000,000 JPY ( 50 K USD ) for order made bed. Although not covered well by the media (http://motherboard.vice.com/tag/Mark+Karpeles), The bed was so special for BDSM play with Japanese prostitutes. I wonder if the bed has been sold via auction to convert their asset to money (or bitcoins).

Of course Mark spent the clients' fund to buy that bed, toys, equipment and girls. What a shame Angry

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Quote from: pepto on September 12, 2015, 12:45:37 PM

Any knowledge or speculation on when a distribution will be made to claimants?

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Any knowledge or speculation on when a distribution will be made to claimants?

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Given the circumstances I guess more than one will be after him in order to see what really happened with the coins. I don't rule out the fact he's been playing along with them all this time, and now that the bosses decided to split interests, MK found himself in the middle. I know, hollywood scenario, but nothing is impossible...

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Quote from: rcocchiararo on September 12, 2015, 08:18:01 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/12/former-mt-gox-ceo-officially-charged-with-embezzlement/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi

Given Japan's conviction rate he'll definitely be doing time now. I suppose it will depend on how much time as to whether he gives up what really happened or if he takes it with him.

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http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/12/former-mt-gox-ceo-officially-charged-with-embezzlement/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi

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Perhaps MK dribbled it slowly into btc-e, then sold it for alts. Flushing it through half a dozen different blockchains, then going back to btc would pretty effectively cover his tracks. There still would be TX ids to btc-e initially.

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Is the problem clear? I don't get it 600k+ coins can't just disappear. At the least there should be tx IDs and entries in the deposit db. It just does not make sense unless some quantum shit is going on.

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Quote from: macsga on August 23, 2015, 06:22:29 PM

Quote from: DrApricot on August 23, 2015, 04:54:41 PM

Since WizSec's last report was published, the theory Mt. Gox's bitcoins were lost over a period of years beginning as early has 2011 has gained some traction. If so, it suggests your insider must have been active over a long period of time. From what I understand, there were only ever 30 people including contractors working there. If the insider was not Mark, then s/he should be easy to indentify. Who was this sneak?

My thoughts would go to an unhappy employee. People can do various things when they're unhappy and at some point the business in MtGox was booming. Too many transactions, too many responsibilities, probably the worst part was an autistic MK towards his anxious people. Frankly, I cannot say for sure. It's only a hypothesis that is yet to be proved right or wrong.

I would probably agree. It is too obvious for MK to have done it all intentionally himself because all fingers would just point to him, and given that he apparently kept company & customer money together in the same account almost anything could happen to customer funds (fiat) before it was noticed.

At the same time, can we be surprised something like this happened to a man who (allegedly) slept in a $48,000 canopied bed?

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Quote from: DrApricot on August 23, 2015, 04:54:41 PM

Since WizSec's last report was published, the theory Mt. Gox's bitcoins were lost over a period of years beginning as early has 2011 has gained some traction. If so, it suggests your insider must have been active over a long period of time. From what I understand, there were only ever 30 people including contractors working there. If the insider was not Mark, then s/he should be easy to indentify. Who was this sneak?

My thoughts would go to an unhappy employee. People can do various things when they're unhappy and at some point the business in MtGox was booming. Too many transactions, too many responsibilities, probably the worst part was an autistic MK towards his anxious people. Frankly, I cannot say for sure. It's only a hypothesis that is yet to be proved right or wrong.

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Quote from: macsga on August 22, 2015, 11:31:52 PM

Quote from: DrApricot on August 22, 2015, 05:44:30 PM

Though it may be a bit of a stretch to say that Mark was in any way ever directly involved with them. He seems to imply that he was not in his SR timeline piece. Why do you think an unknown intern may have been part of any scheme? That's news to me.

He admitted he had been losing BTCs since sometime in 2011 from MtGox's hot wallet via the allegedly "Transaction Malleability".

Since WizSec's last report was published, the theory Mt. Gox's bitcoins were lost over a period of years beginning as early has 2011 has gained some traction. If so, it suggests your insider must have been active over a long period of time. From what I understand, there were only ever 30 people including contractors working there. If the insider was not Mark, then s/he should be easy to indentify. Who was this sneak?

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Quote from: DrApricot on August 22, 2015, 05:44:30 PM

Though it may be a bit of a stretch to say that Mark was in any way ever directly involved with them. He seems to imply that he was not in his SR timeline piece. Why do you think an unknown intern may have been part of any scheme? That's news to me.

He admitted he had been losing BTCs since sometime in 2011 from MtGox's hot wallet via the allegedly "Transaction Malleability". Given his paranoia with keeping the cold wallet password on himself (not commenting on rumors that he VNC'd via an UNENCRYPTED connection the "so called" cold wallet of his) I believe he got burned from inside-out. Not ruling out he was acting by himself, but I think it's less possible to be the case.

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Quote from: macsga on August 22, 2015, 04:56:29 AM

Quote from: iikun on August 21, 2015, 10:58:29 PM

So (not) sad to see Mark got re-arrested again. Japanese detention is not something I would wish on my worst enemy, but in Mark's case I think I can put those feelings aside.

So now he faces a total of 46 days of interrogation........I wonder how long he'll last...

I believe (and wrote it before here) he was not acting alone. Were the two rogue agents with him in this? An unknown intern? I'm sure he has plenty of stuff to say now that the "gag order" has no meaningful reason to exist.

Mark already maintained in his "Silk Road timeline" that the two alleged rogue agents were part of a conspiracy--or, so he says:

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"based on the available documentation, it is also difficult to know precisely since when both have been conspiring. [emphasis added]" http://www.magicaltux.net/post/124057497654/silk-road-timeline

He was merely restating the obvious though, as the DoJ criminal complaint against Force and Bridges--unsealed last March--also revealed that the two had colluded together.

Though it may be a bit of a stretch to say that Mark was in any way ever directly involved with them. He seems to imply that he was not in his SR timeline piece. Why do you think an unknown intern may have been part of any scheme? That's news to me.

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Quote from: iikun on August 21, 2015, 10:58:29 PM

So (not) sad to see Mark got re-arrested again. Japanese detention is not something I would wish on my worst enemy, but in Mark's case I think I can put those feelings aside.

So now he faces a total of 46 days of interrogation, meals high in white rice & low in anything resembling nutrition, and extremely limited access to a lawyer. Typical Japanese technique to force a confession. Given it's almost certain he is guilty of something, I wonder how long he'll last...

Besides my feelings about his idiocy [on so many aspects] regarding his handling such a case, I expect that he DEFINITELY has to reveal what happened. I don't care about my missing BTCs, they were lost anyway; but surely care to know the specifics. I believe (and wrote it before here) he was not acting alone. Were the two rogue agents with him in this? An unknown intern? I'm sure he has plenty of stuff to say now that the "gag order" has no meaningful reason to exist.

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So (not) sad to see Mark got re-arrested again. Japanese detention is not something I would wish on my worst enemy, but in Mark's case I think I can put those feelings aside.

So now he faces a total of 46 days of interrogation, meals high in white rice & low in anything resembling nutrition, and extremely limited access to a lawyer. Typical Japanese technique to force a confession. Given it's almost certain he is guilty of something, I wonder how long he'll last...

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Quote from: btcinsight on August 21, 2015, 04:54:10 AM

There haven't been much comments about this news:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33816664

Does this really mean we get nothing back? Or just that we can't sue them directly but we still get a fraction of bitcoins back?

By my understanding he tried to bypass bankruptcy and get a full refund. Judge said "Haha, you idiot" - more politely: "You gave your bitcoins and money there voluntarily. Now suffer with the rest. No special treatment for you!"

Bankruptcy is proceeding with a full speed ahead. If there will be any change you will find it published and signed by Bankruptcy trustee on MtGox.

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There haven't been much comments about this news:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33816664

Does this really mean we get nothing back? Or just that we can't sue them directly but we still get a fraction of bitcoins back?

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