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Topic: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] - page 242. (Read 908613 times)

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October 26, 2013, 09:21:57 PM
Even though it does say up to two weeks or whatever on the site, the customer service reps are being honest in emails. 

I got this back from a direct inquiry last week.

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Oct 23 11:04 (JST):
Hello,

Thank you for the email. As of now all the International withdrawals are delayed due to the huge backlogs and we do not have an ETA at the moment. We are working hard to clear the backlogs and put back things to normal.

Best regards,

Mt.Gox Team
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Jesus was a (Goddamn) hippy socialist
October 26, 2013, 05:13:06 PM
Almost 4 weeks now for my 10K (SEPA)

The funny thing is that they are (still) saying on the withdrawal page that SEPA may take up to two weeks 
with BOLD fonds

what's wrong with MtGox?
why can't they find another Bank in the EU to do their business (if that is the problem)


I start to fill that they have a huge problem
and the sooner it pops the better for bitcoin in general
legendary
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October 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
If you want to do that, there are time limits on how long you can claim against a forfeiture. Get legal advice fast.

If you were to sue Mt. Gox in Delaware small claims court, and win (or they don't show up), you'd have a US judgement against them. (Mt. Gox created a legal presence in Delaware so they could register with FinCen. That provides an entity you can sue in Delaware.)

Then you can try to collect from funds the US Government is holding. According to Japanese law, if Mt. Gox is a Payment Services Agency, you own the money; you're not just a creditor of Mt. Gox. That puts you in a stronger position to claim against a forfeiture.  Again, get legal advice.
I'd have to believe that the statute of limitations does not make it imperative that I file with all haste. 
The rules under forfeiture law are tough. You may only have 60 days after the forfeiture.

Unless the court for good cause sets a different time, the claim must be filed: ...
(C) if notice was not published and direct notice was not sent to the claimant or the claimant's attorney" ...
If the property was not in the government's possession, custody, or control when the complaint was filed ... 60 days after process was executed on the property under Rule G(3).


It may already be too late to file against the Dwolla forfeiture. Talk to a lawyer.

Seems ambiguous.  The Dwolla forfeiture happened even before I converted BTC to USD (or instructed Mt. Gox to do so more accurately) so I cannot see a specific claim to that money.  The best bet would seem to be that the USG would be prone to handing out that money to people who have some general and documented claim against Mt. Gox prior to deciding how to handle the remaining balance.  This I would not anticipate for years, but having something submitted and sitting there wouldn't hurt.

I'm not going to rush right out and retain an attorney for a piddly $5k, particularly since I would not likely see a return on the not insignificant investment (in time and money) for some years at least, and probably never.  I do however remain interested in a group effort where the cost burden is shared and the time/hassle factor is significantly reduced.  Not interested enough to actually attempt to form a coalition however.  I made some efforts at doing so related to the Instawallet/Paymium (supposed) hack and theft, and they went nowhere.

legendary
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October 26, 2013, 03:08:30 PM
If you want to do that, there are time limits on how long you can claim against a forfeiture. Get legal advice fast.

If you were to sue Mt. Gox in Delaware small claims court, and win (or they don't show up), you'd have a US judgement against them. (Mt. Gox created a legal presence in Delaware so they could register with FinCen. That provides an entity you can sue in Delaware.)

Then you can try to collect from funds the US Government is holding. According to Japanese law, if Mt. Gox is a Payment Services Agency, you own the money; you're not just a creditor of Mt. Gox. That puts you in a stronger position to claim against a forfeiture.  Again, get legal advice.
I'd have to believe that the statute of limitations does not make it imperative that I file with all haste. 
The rules under forfeiture law are tough. You may only have 60 days after the forfeiture.

Unless the court for good cause sets a different time, the claim must be filed: ...
(C) if notice was not published and direct notice was not sent to the claimant or the claimant's attorney" ...
If the property was not in the government's possession, custody, or control when the complaint was filed ... 60 days after process was executed on the property under Rule G(3).


It may already be too late to file against the Dwolla forfeiture. Talk to a lawyer.
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October 26, 2013, 05:41:24 AM
It looks like my SEPA from 9/13 has gone from "Confirmed" to "Pending" so I guess it may be on its way!

So looks like we are up to 9/13 for the SEPA transfers currently.



Nice, looks like they used a looong time on that day, hope it was because of an extraordinary amount of withdraws. Ill let you guys know when they progress 21 sept.
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Ching-Chang;Ding-Dong
October 25, 2013, 09:55:12 PM
It looks like my SEPA from 9/13 has gone from "Confirmed" to "Pending" so I guess it may be on its way!

So looks like we are up to 9/13 for the SEPA transfers currently.

legendary
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https://bitmynt.no
October 25, 2013, 05:02:22 PM
SEPA transfers take D+1 days, not minutes.  The explanation for SEPA delays can be found earlier in this thread (someone even called their bank to hear it from them), and everyone else are bored by hearing it over and over.  SEPA has been delayed for the same reason since they changed to the Polish bank more than a year ago.
Let's make a bet - 1 BTC - that in 30 days time nothing will change.
Regarding SEPA, yes.  Their  limit will not change until they have completed their registration as a financial institution.

Regarding other fiat withdrawal option, I expect most of their problems will be resolved within a month, and the fastest fiat withdrawal option (except domestic JPY and manual express international wire) to take less than a week before Christmas.  I'm willing to bet 1 BTC on this.
sturle, you can send my 1 BTC to 1Hk5ieasp6o2k2LpUFjzqjKV8Auj3FUxAU
I understand that as an acceptance of the bet on my terms.  Send 1 BTC to 1Ls8R9Guguq51r1ok2xachi7XA79kkA4jQ if I win.  (Note that I agreed with you regarding SEPA and the 30 days.)
legendary
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October 25, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
I figure it most likely that if I want to see my $5k, I'll need to attempt to obtain it through the legal system of the US govt which holds directly $5M and can make a grab for another $5M from the probably scattered parties associated with Coinlabs.  Anyone have any thoughts about what data I might solicit in order to pursue such an adventure?
If you want to do that, there are time limits on how long you can claim against a forfeiture. Get legal advice fast.

If you were to sue Mt. Gox in Delaware small claims court, and win (or they don't show up), you'd have a US judgement against them. (Mt. Gox created a legal presence in Delaware so they could register with FinCen. That provides an entity you can sue in Delaware.)

Then you can try to collect from funds the US Government is holding. According to Japanese law, if Mt. Gox is a Payment Services Agency, you own the money; you're not just a creditor of Mt. Gox. That puts you in a stronger position to claim against a forfeiture.  Again, get legal advice.

I'd have to believe that the statute of limitations does not make it imperative that I file with all haste.  And even if so, I partially wrote off these funds even before I instigated the wire.

The thing I value most are the identity documents I sent to Mt. Gox, so the best case scenario is that their operation is seized in total, and any former employees are scared shitless and not likely to attempt to sell said docs independently on the market.

The idea of getting a claim in in Delaware is actually a good one.  As I mentioned before, it's not something which I'm willing to retain an attorney for due to the likely economics and general hassle.  I would, however, be interested in a joint effort with similarly effected and situated parties to hire legally competent counsel to produce something of a general template that we could all use.

newbie
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October 25, 2013, 03:42:35 PM
SEPA transfers take D+1 days, not minutes.  The explanation for SEPA delays can be found earlier in this thread (someone even called their bank to hear it from them), and everyone else are bored by hearing it over and over.  SEPA has been delayed for the same reason since they changed to the Polish bank more than a year ago.
Let's make a bet - 1 BTC - that in 30 days time nothing will change.
Regarding SEPA, yes.  Their  limit will not change until they have completed their registration as a financial institution.

Regarding other fiat withdrawal option, I expect most of their problems will be resolved within a month, and the fastest fiat withdrawal option (except domestic JPY and manual express international wire) to take less than a week before Christmas.  I'm willing to bet 1 BTC on this.

sturle, you can send my 1 BTC to 1Hk5ieasp6o2k2LpUFjzqjKV8Auj3FUxAU
legendary
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October 25, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
I figure it most likely that if I want to see my $5k, I'll need to attempt to obtain it through the legal system of the US govt which holds directly $5M and can make a grab for another $5M from the probably scattered parties associated with Coinlabs.  Anyone have any thoughts about what data I might solicit in order to pursue such an adventure?
If you want to do that, there are time limits on how long you can claim against a forfeiture. Get legal advice fast.

If you were to sue Mt. Gox in Delaware small claims court, and win (or they don't show up), you'd have a US judgement against them. (Mt. Gox created a legal presence in Delaware so they could register with FinCen. That provides an entity you can sue in Delaware.)

Then you can try to collect from funds the US Government is holding. According to Japanese law, if Mt. Gox is a Payment Services Agency, you own the money; you're not just a creditor of Mt. Gox. That puts you in a stronger position to claim against a forfeiture.  Again, get legal advice.
legendary
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October 25, 2013, 02:20:41 PM

I decided that 5 BTC was not trivial enough to count as nothing, and I cannot see a reason to do business with Mt. Gox again as long as Coinbase is performant, so I withdrew 4.9 BTC + a transaction fee.  It was confirmed in the target (a Coinbase addy) within minutes.

My intl wire for $5k remains in 'confirmed' mode on their UI as it has since 15-Aug.

I figure it most likely that if I want to see my $5k, I'll need to attempt to obtain it through the legal system of the US govt which holds directly $5M and can make a grab for another $5M from the probably scattered parties associated with Coinlabs.  Anyone have any thoughts about what data I might solicit in order to pursue such an adventure?  It's not probably enough in straight dollar terms to get all lawyered up over, and efforts to leverage the loss politically are futile without some interest on the part of Mt. Gox.

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Ching-Chang;Ding-Dong
October 25, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
any withdrawl done or pending yet from September 13 th onwards?

I'm still waiting my Sept 13th SEPA withdraw.
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Bitgoblin
October 25, 2013, 11:51:11 AM
I am not pushing any criminal behaviour, I'm just trying to find and present the facts.  Go join the conspiracy theorists here ...

We all know that you are a MtGox sock puppet. So why don't you just fuck off?
I doubt MtGox is so sophisticated to have sockpuppets, while it can't manage to do any proper support.
At most he's just a fanboy (not saying he is).
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October 25, 2013, 11:46:24 AM
I am not pushing any criminal behaviour, I'm just trying to find and present the facts.  Go join the conspiracy theorists here ...

We all know that you are a MtGox sock puppet. So why don't you just fuck off?
zyk
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October 25, 2013, 08:27:44 AM
any withdrawl done or pending yet from September 13 th onwards?
legendary
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https://bitmynt.no
October 25, 2013, 03:51:16 AM
Reminder that it's soon 3 months since Emptygox has supplied us with any sort of update with regards to the SWIFT withdrawal situation.

Reminder that they still mislead people by having this on the withdrawal page:

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International Wire Transfers:  
At the moment we are manually processing wire transfers and have a slight backlog as we create a new withdrawal system with our banking partners. Your withdrawal may take two weeks or more depending on the amount.

Two weeks or more, guys.
Yes, it is cristal clear criminal business behavior, and the sturles are still pushing it. That's a shame for the bitcoin community.
Please tell me which law they are breaking.

I have shown here which law and which exact paragraph MtGox would break if they started pushing more money through SEPA transfers without a payment service licence.  Doing that would be criminal behaviour indeed.  Doing that while the licensing process is ongoing would be very stupid as well, because it will stop or delay the process.  MtGox are trying as hard as they can to not break any laws, and this causes delays.

I am not pushing any criminal behaviour, I'm just trying to find and present the facts.  Go join the conspiracy theorists here in case you have a problem with facts.  I find their minds fascinating and their fantasy endless.  I was never good at writing fantasy stories at school myself.  Making up stories is not my strength.  I tend to concentrate on what we know, and what we can deduce directly from what we know, and I think it is just as important to know what we don't know.
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October 25, 2013, 03:49:33 AM
I just don't understand some people's motivation here. Why do you seem to want Mt. Gox bancrupt?

I can't judge the impact of the things that happened to them, but those are some month ago now. Meanwhile they are probably having the highest volume in their history right now, which obviously causes a steady stream of money flowing into Gox. Additionally the BTC they are holding increases in value.

The only reason they could go out of business right now is something big happening (that could probably happen to any other exchange), or their costs increasing dramatically, which I don't see any indicators for.
legendary
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October 25, 2013, 02:51:21 AM
Reminder that it's soon 3 months since Emptygox has supplied us with any sort of update with regards to the SWIFT withdrawal situation.

Reminder that they still mislead people by having this on the withdrawal page:

Quote
International Wire Transfers:  
At the moment we are manually processing wire transfers and have a slight backlog as we create a new withdrawal system with our banking partners. Your withdrawal may take two weeks or more depending on the amount.

Two weeks or more, guys.

Yes, it is cristal clear criminal business behavior, and the sturles are still pushing it. That's a shame for the bitcoin community.
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Ching-Chang;Ding-Dong
October 24, 2013, 09:58:54 PM
Rumor has it that SEPA is up to about Sept 10th (I have a transfer pending on the 13th and havenn't seen it come through yet, nor change from confirmed to processed).



so is September 13 th already processed ?

its not even pending in my book....so the buck stopped right here!!?? Huh



Pending yet?

Nope
zyk
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October 24, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
One positive development: Gox seems to have started updating their FAQ more regularly about the SEPA queue.

Quote from: Mt. Gox
Situation as of 24 October 2013: We are currently processing withdrawals requested six weeks ago. (Users with several withdrawals in the queue must take the 20 day rule above into account)

Apparently some kind of glut in the withdrawals from around Sep 11 onwards, since they haven't really progressed at all from week ago. However, there's a steady stream of reports of completed SEPA withdrawals, so there's hope left.


thought this thread is for gathering....


last one (Sepa ) was mine then from Sebtember 13th???

come on---lets see if the queues getting longer and bankruptcy is around the corner...... Wink
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