My Apology to Bitcoin Community and Request for another Chance - page 3.

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Quote from: coin-investor on January 28, 2023, 08:43:39 AM

Why now why when after what happened to the bounty, the majority of reputable members are not ready to forgive him, because those who got scammed lose their hard-earned money and bounty hunters lose their time and expectations, if the reputable member will forgive him, then it's better that he compensate people or try a way to make amends to those who suffered from what he has done.
Jollygood and all the others are just right that they decline to take down their feedback, he should do something that will make their mind not just ask for forgiveness and take the bad feedbacks.

His reputation won't be as good as before, but the positive point is that he might be doing good things from now on or who knows he's planning bigger things than before. I only support his apology as human being who basically never escape from sin, but he can't expect his reputation to return to what it was before.

When it comes to financial loss, it is something that is very sensitive. Everyone wants nothing to lose, whoever it is and we have seen many people demanding compensation or jailing the perpetrators by reporting them to the police. Maybe things like this wouldn't happen to OP, but he should be held accountable for his past mistakes.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 27, 2023, 10:53:59 AM

I think most people deserve a second chance and I know many have gotten it on this forum, but in this particular case I agree with @lovesmayfamilis and I wonder how many chances the OP deserves if this is the third or fourth? I'm not one of those who was harmed in any way by the OP's actions, and I'm not one of those who supported the flag or left negative feedback, but all those who have a part in it should think carefully about whether it's time to change their opinion.

There is a saying that says "the wolf changes its hair, but its temper never changes".

Basically, it is not about the 1st or 2nd chance , he has scammed people money, not paid them their bounty work and now asking for forgiveness without compensating them does not make sense.

Yeah, i agree that it is not possible to pay every participant with his own pocket but i remember there were some projects where he was paid good by the project team for his efforts of bounty management, but the bounty scam the participants. Why now start by distributing that amount to the bounty participants as a token of grantee that he is really concerned about the bounty participants and this apology is not only to start his bounty management work again.

Why now why when after what happened to the bounty, the majority of reputable members are not ready to forgive him, because those who got scammed lose their hard-earned money and bounty hunters lose their time and expectations, if the reputable member will forgive him, then it's better that he compensate people or try a way to make amends to those who suffered from what he has done.
Jollygood and all the others are just right that they decline to take down their feedback, he should do something that will make their mind not just ask for forgiveness and take the bad feedbacks.

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Previously I have participated in the bounty campaigns that you handled several times, although some ended well, some were disappointing, good luck with your request.

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I found this thread and also received your PM. As my name was mentioned here I will make a comment.

I have to say that after taking all things available to me at the moment (information, feedback, comments) in to consideration, I have decided that I will not remove nor revise the negative feedback that I left.

That does not mean it cannot be revised in future but it will probably only happen if there are absolutely exceptional circumstances, therefore highly unlikely.

Quote from: jamalaezaz on January 27, 2023, 04:21:36 AM

In conclusion, I humbly request for the forgiveness of the Bitcoin community and for a chance to be a normal forum user once again. I ask for your support in opposing the flag on my profile
and for Lutpin, Mitchell, The Sceptical Chymist, marlboroza, and JollyGood to reconsider their feedback.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Jamal

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Quote from: Lucius on January 27, 2023, 10:53:59 AM

I think most people deserve a second chance and I know many have gotten it on this forum, but in this particular case I agree with @lovesmayfamilis and I wonder how many chances the OP deserves if this is the third or fourth? I'm not one of those who was harmed in any way by the OP's actions, and I'm not one of those who supported the flag or left negative feedback, but all those who have a part in it should think carefully about whether it's time to change their opinion.

There is a saying that says "the wolf changes its hair, but its temper never changes".

Basically, it is not about the 1st or 2nd chance , he has scammed people money, not paid them their bounty work and now asking for forgiveness without compensating them does not make sense.

Yeah, i agree that it is not possible to pay every participant with his own pocket but i remember there were some projects where he was paid good by the project team for his efforts of bounty management, but the bounty scam the participants. Why now start by distributing that amount to the bounty participants as a token of grantee that he is really concerned about the bounty participants and this apology is not only to start his bounty management work again.

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Your courage of accepting the deeds you did in the past makes you look innocent and trustworthy again. However, I was contacted by a person named Jar on telegram (@Jar_ON89) and he asked me whether I'm interested in buying Bitcointalk accounts or sMerits! I hope it's not you this time mate. This guy is mutually in a group named BountyPortals Buy/Sell group on telegram, which is run by @irfan_pak10

In many instances that happened here, I have seen that the person didn't get a second chance even if they used to be a trustworthy member of this community for a very long time. So, one important question that comes to my mind is, what makes you so special to be exempted from these tags and get a third/fourth/whatever number of chance while those didn't get a second one? Won't that be an injustice to them?

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For many, it takes a great deal of courage and deep regret to come out in the open and accept that they did wrong and ask for forgiveness.
But for another set, accepting wrong and asking for forgiveness is something that's so simple for them to do, for this type of people, there is a high chance that after being forgiven, they might go on to commit a higher crime and probably in the end, abandon their account which is already filled with negative tags.

I support what yahoo said, it is one thing to do wrong, it is another to be forgiven, but to be forgiven does not stop one from facing their punishment, this is how it is done in the court of law, pleading guilty and asking for forgiveness does not stop one from going to jail or spending some good amount of money(depending how serious the crime is).

Here, you have cost a lot of bounty hunters loses, not just to their money but also their time, and the efforts they put into completing their weekly task, how can this ones be compensated now?

Do what yahoo62278 asked you to do, this would atleast prove how seriously you regret your actions and how committed you are to never committing the same crime again.

I personally think those who have removed their negative tag were to quick to do that..

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You are a account farmer.

You manipulate all the bounty for your personal gain you cheat those funds you handle.

And you manage poorly and only save your ass thru all those controversy happened to you in the past.

So for another time around I don't think you deserve a second chance since you cause financial troubles to many people way back then.

I guess the feedback need not to be taken out since mistakes done from the past is serious matter.

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I used to chat quite a bit on telegram with Jamal and let him do some translations on a bounty or 2. We had some good conversations. I thought at the time he was a good guy going through some hardships and I have a soft spot in my heart for people dealing with situations.

With all that being said, he does have a load of accounts and I think if he truly seeks forgiveness he should start by admitting the account names he controls and let people check and see how much shady activity he might have partook in.

I think on order to have a clean start 1 should be honest about their whole past.

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Quote from: jamalaezaz on January 27, 2023, 04:21:36 AM

Dear community,
From the bottom of my heart, I want to express my deepest gratitude to LFC_Bitcoin and nutildah for their kindness and understanding in removing and revising their negative feedback on my profile. Their act of compassion will always hold a special place in my heart.

If we can have some other people like you who will boldly take away the shame and have the courage to declare themselves with true honesty, things could have go more better becau even we sometimes finds ourselves in some mess we could never imagined being into and when such is realized, there's always a room for a second chance, you're just lucky in your own case not to have been banned with your kind of offence that brought you this kind of feedbacks.

Quote from: jamalaezaz on January 27, 2023, 04:21:36 AM

I have reached out to everyone else who left negative feedback and humbly requested that they reconsider their feedback. The Sceptical Chymist suggested that I open a thread and let the community decide, so here I am, standing before you with the hope of forgiveness.

I believe by now you must have well understood the reasons why people left you the feedbacks they give a d i hope you never returned back to your vomit in later future, people left feedbacks not because they hated you but they don't want this forum turned into an abused platform which could bring down low it's reputation to the public, a d therefore they place you the tags informing those coming in contact with you to get warned and be careful.

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I would say that here the matter is a little more complicated for you Jamal. Certainly, everyone deserves a second or even a third chance, so why not. but as far as I can see, the negative feedback on your profile is not related to just one mistake, but to several. also, many of them can be interpreted as an unprofessional way of running a campaign, which even as a neutral reference is not the best recommendation for your future business.
also, some active members can withdraw their negative feedback, but several users have left this forum forever and such tags will surely remain. Lauda, Zepher, marlboroza, Lutpin...

probably this post of your apology and self-reproach will not be enough, you will have to prove yourself with your actions. You also didn't honestly say why only now, 3+ years after everything, are you asking for correction of feedback on your account?

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It's great to have you admit your past mistakes, but I don't expect people to remove all their tag from your profile just for condoning mistakes. I tend to think that the tag should stay in place for your potential people or customers to understand the risks. You can still do everything with this account including being nice and 100% honest with anyone, running campaign or something, but your past issues should be kept in mind as why it's risky.

I'm also not one of those people you've directly or indirectly harmed, but there are plenty of other people in this community feeling the impact of your troubles. I think they can forgive you to some extent, but they should still remember you as a bad person when it comes to campaign management. I guess you will no longer be as clean as before regardless of how many DT's will remove the tag or turn it neutral.

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Quote from: jamalaezaz on January 27, 2023, 04:21:36 AM

I take full responsibility for the mistakes I have made in the past

but I have made poor choices and worked with scam projects as a bounty manager. However, I did not run away, but stayed here and continued using the forum.

When you're making an apology and say you're taking full responsibility for "mistakes", it's never a good idea to put a "but" in it, which is exactly what you've done. I don't believe you're either apologizing or trying to make amends to the community, nor do I believe your promises that you won't keep on doing what you've been doing.

I'm going to be completely honest here: I suggested you open up a thread here so that everyone could blast you to smithereens, and I didn't really think you'd open yourself up to so much scrutiny and criticism given how much negative feedback you have. The red trust I gave you was from March of 2018, and since then you've only continued to get more negatives from other members. I've got a feeling you're asking me for feedback removal almost 3 years after it was given because you're planning on getting involved in some big project in which it's likely people are going to get screwed.

I believe in second chances, believe me, but you've used up any goodwill points you might have had with people who've seen you fuck things up for years. My feedback will stand.

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Its their personal choice to decide whether they want to give you a chance or not, well I would like to speak for myself, despite of having multiple negative tags you are still being an active member of this forum which is convincing for me to give you a chance, and if its decided based on vote definitely I will be voting for you cause most others will left forum and come up with new account to build everything from scratch.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 27, 2023, 10:53:59 AM

I think most people deserve a second chance and I know many have gotten it on this forum, but in this particular case I agree with @lovesmayfamilis and I wonder how many chances the OP deserves if this is the third or fourth? I'm not one of those who was harmed in any way by the OP's actions, and I'm not one of those who supported the flag or left negative feedback, but all those who have a part in it should think carefully about whether it's time to change their opinion.

There is a saying that says "the wolf changes its hair, but its temper never changes".

I read lovesmayfamilis and I agree with him too but when I saw the revised feedback from nutildah, I think he is right too.

@jamalaezaz may be you need to start working hard and only focus on receiving projects. Be picky this time, give them whatever offer you have for them so that they give you projects. It will be hard but nothing is impossible. If these users give you another chance then don't misuse it again.

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We don't know how you changed or not. Who knows? Maybe you want another chance, and you will repeat the same thing again and again because everyone is saying it's your fourth time. I wasn't there, so I don't know the case entirely. Just saw the other thread and accusations. Marlboroza left the forum, and Lutpin is not active these days. He was active a week ago. You can DM Lutpin to check this thread and make any changes if he wants.

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I think most people deserve a second chance and I know many have gotten it on this forum, but in this particular case I agree with @lovesmayfamilis and I wonder how many chances the OP deserves if this is the third or fourth? I'm not one of those who was harmed in any way by the OP's actions, and I'm not one of those who supported the flag or left negative feedback, but all those who have a part in it should think carefully about whether it's time to change their opinion.

There is a saying that says "the wolf changes its hair, but its temper never changes".

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Quote from: Saisher on January 27, 2023, 07:47:50 AM

You just opened yourself to scrutinizing how you get those feedback and based on lovesmayfamilis it's your third time asking for forgiveness

Actually, It’s based on the feedback left by nutildah on his trust page. In that feedback, he was given a third pass in the spirit of forgiveness so I guess the heading of the OP is misleading as he should be asking for a fourth chance.

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Paying those mismanagement using your own funds is what makes your negative trust remove easily rather than creating an open letter asking for forgiveness to mistakes that you commit multiple times way back to the time when you are active in campaign management.

I knew a lot of user here with negative feedback and still continue with their work to improve their mistake. You should follow that way instead of making request like this. Royse777 is the best example here.

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OP, people who have dealt with you well, of course, will support your forgiveness. but for those who have had problems with you in the past, it might be possible to forgive you. but removing negative tags in your account may be some of them won't do it for warning reasons.

if you want to continue your business, I think you can show your seriousness in improving your reputation. You can see campaign managers and bounty managers with negative tags on their accounts who are still handling campaigns. I think you understand what I mean.

By the way, you also said in the feedback you posted that you worked for a casino that was tagged a scam on the forums, although that probably has nothing to do with their case, and whatever job they gave you. I'm sure you know how it is in your interest as a forum member not to support scammers.

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