My Beef with BFL (Constructive Criticism Only)

KGambler

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Quote from: Entropy-uc on April 05, 2013, 12:37:34 AM

Quote from: Trance104 on April 05, 2013, 12:25:39 AM

I'm proud of you for sticking up for us little folks. How much did this ad run you? I may kick some coinage your way.

This week I paid 5.75 BTC. But I anticipate that will be refunded as Theymos doesn't find it plausible that BFL are liars.

I would ask you not to contribute, I will probably be refunding everything contributed so far.

Theymos is not so stupid to think there isn't obvious proof of lies on BFL's part. Nor is he foolish enough to think that the BoB fiasco is in any way unclear.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what that means about this site.

Can admins be saddled with scammer tags?

Theymos owns the site.

Yeah, I was just joking.

tvbcof

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Can admins be saddled with scammer tags?

Theymos owns the site.

MNW was staff, iirc, and got a scammer tag. I don't recall what, if anything, ~nefario was.

Trance104

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Quote from: Entropy-uc on April 05, 2013, 12:37:34 AM

Quote from: Trance104 on April 05, 2013, 12:25:39 AM

I'm proud of you for sticking up for us little folks. How much did this ad run you? I may kick some coinage your way.

This week I paid 5.75 BTC. But I anticipate that will be refunded as Theymos doesn't find it plausible that BFL are liars.

I would ask you not to contribute, I will probably be refunding everything contributed so far.

Theymos is not so stupid to think there isn't obvious proof of lies on BFL's part. Nor is he foolish enough to think that the BoB fiasco is in any way unclear.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what that means about this site.

I sent you like ~$13 worth of BTC currently.

Much love!

Entropy-uc

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Quote from: tvbcof on April 05, 2013, 12:50:31 AM

Quote from: Entropy-uc on April 05, 2013, 12:37:34 AM

Quote from: Trance104 on April 05, 2013, 12:25:39 AM

I'm proud of you for sticking up for us little folks. How much did this ad run you? I may kick some coinage your way.

This week I paid 5.75 BTC. But I anticipate that will be refunded as Theymos doesn't find it plausible that BFL are liars.

I would ask you not to contribute, I will probably be refunding everything contributed so far.

Theymos is not so stupid to think there isn't obvious proof of lies on BFL's part. Nor is he foolish enough to think that the BoB fiasco is in any way unclear.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what that means about this site.

These things take time. Give poor ~theymos another 6 months of BFL bullshit excuses and general slimyness and see if he's come around. I mean he ran ~nefario through the wringer for what seems to the casual observer to be far fewer indiscretions...although not necessarily similarly distributed ones somehow.

Crossing Theymos seems to be the only thing that gets you a scammer tag anymore.

tvbcof

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Quote from: Entropy-uc on April 05, 2013, 12:37:34 AM

Quote from: Trance104 on April 05, 2013, 12:25:39 AM

I'm proud of you for sticking up for us little folks. How much did this ad run you? I may kick some coinage your way.

This week I paid 5.75 BTC. But I anticipate that will be refunded as Theymos doesn't find it plausible that BFL are liars.

I would ask you not to contribute, I will probably be refunding everything contributed so far.

Theymos is not so stupid to think there isn't obvious proof of lies on BFL's part. Nor is he foolish enough to think that the BoB fiasco is in any way unclear.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what that means about this site.

These things take time. Give poor ~theymos another 6 months of BFL bullshit excuses and general slimyness and see if he's come around. I mean he ran ~nefario through the wringer for what seems to the casual observer to be far fewer indiscretions...although not necessarily similarly distributed ones somehow.

minternj

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We get it. No ones refuting that they have lied. Do we need a reminder every 10 minutes?

Entropy-uc

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Quote from: Trance104 on April 05, 2013, 12:25:39 AM

I'm proud of you for sticking up for us little folks. How much did this ad run you? I may kick some coinage your way.

This week I paid 5.75 BTC. But I anticipate that will be refunded as Theymos doesn't find it plausible that BFL are liars.

I would ask you not to contribute, I will probably be refunding everything contributed so far.

Theymos is not so stupid to think there isn't obvious proof of lies on BFL's part. Nor is he foolish enough to think that the BoB fiasco is in any way unclear.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what that means about this site.

Trance104

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I'm proud of you for sticking up for us little folks. How much did this ad run you? I may kick some coinage your way.

Entropy-uc

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Theymos has rejected my ad which had the text. BFL: Bald Faced Liars!

Quote from: Entropy-uc on April 05, 2013, 03:50:02 AM

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2013, 02:00:33 AM

That's a little extreme. BFL supporters will call it slander and say that you can't prove that BFL has ever lied. I don't want too much drama. Can you please stick to undeniable facts or obvious statements of opinion?

I'll keep your old ad for now.

Thanks.

BFL has lied hundreds of times. Every claimed shipping date they have ever published is a demonstrated lie. They said they would guarantee hash rates better than all their competition, which is now shown to be a lie.

How long did Inaba pretend to not be involved with BFL when he clearly had an ongoing business relationship?

Post the ad as submitted or refund my coins.

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Quote from: Entropy-uc on April 04, 2013, 11:03:45 AM

I've paid for another ad, and pointed it to a thread 'trust no one' in Scam Accusations.

I have a slot reserved for a topic on BFL, but don't have time to write it.

If someone would do so and PM to me I will post it with credit.

Please stick to facts, and documenting the history of lies, broken promises and failures.

Where every that 'Bunch of Fucking Liars' picture is, it would make a great introduction image. Wink

Their own forums are full of examples, like these assembly line units that are stock photos, claiming they are currently being installed with a "full team to run them" yet they never followed up with any sort of proof they actually own these, to my knowledge.

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why one of this photo was made in 2009 year ? and last one "Processed By eBay with ImageMagick, R1.1.1.M2b " to add this pictuer date ' 09/15/2012' ?? do you buy this stuff on ebay ? which auction id ?

This sucks because I would be all over these so I could write my own mining software for them. I'd drop $10k today if at least one verifiable prototype was proven to exist. Guess I'm stuck with exponentially increasing Avalon 4th batch prices

Entropy-uc

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I've paid for another ad, and pointed it to a thread 'trust no one' in Scam Accusations.

I have a slot reserved for a topic on BFL, but don't have time to write it.

If someone would do so and PM to me I will post it with credit.

Please stick to facts, and documenting the history of lies, broken promises and failures.

Where every that 'Bunch of Fucking Liars' picture is, it would make a great introduction image. Wink

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All posts in this thread are off-topic except this one because I incorporated a keyword from its title, sans the e's, thus making this post true.

I wonder if there is such a thing as Joshin' Jerky.

flaab

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Who cares? They made 100million already.

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Quote from: Dalkore on April 02, 2013, 12:38:11 AM

Quote from: AzNmeowmeow on April 02, 2013, 12:36:15 AM

Well one of their employees got the hardware but HIS it uses more juice than what they said it would.
and they've shown decent amount of proof to not be a scam, not to mention they've sold earlier mining hardware.

The hardware is still in the lab and the developer left the country. Not a scam but not shipping either.

If they don't ship it anytime soon then there will bo no difference from scam. They can bring gazillion of reasons, objective and subjective for explaining the delays. Damn, I almost did pre order two devices from BFL. Better stick to my FPGA. Grin

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Quote from: AzNmeowmeow on April 02, 2013, 12:36:15 AM

Well one of their employees got the hardware but HIS it uses more juice than what they said it would.
and they've shown decent amount of proof to not be a scam, not to mention they've sold earlier mining hardware.

The hardware is still in the lab and the developer left the country. Not a scam but not shipping either.

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Well one of their employees got the hardware but HIS it uses more juice than what they said it would.
and they've shown decent amount of proof to not be a scam, not to mention they've sold earlier mining hardware.

moni3z

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Any update? I considered buying one of these once upon a time

Humanxlemming

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4C4bgho5JSI

they are using your money/coins to develop and build the units they will probably not even begin dispatching till july.

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Quote from: Frankie Delaney on March 26, 2013, 02:16:51 PM

2. They sacrificed 125 customer ordered singles to "test" chips 3 days early, while they still haven't actually been able to test the chips

Sorry, but that's not how it works. To refer to a wafer as "customer ordered singles" is as stupid as calling it a "sacrifice" to perform functional testing.

If customers were ordering slices of that particular wafer, with each die individually marked as belonging to a particular order, then BFL would simply have shipped wafer to their customers.

Quote from: Frankie Delaney on March 26, 2013, 02:16:51 PM

Am i doing this right?

In the context of this thread? Absolutely.

Entropy-uc

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They are selling their product with a 30 day ROI price point.

Yes, they are selling. But not delivering. Avalon has openly said they will mine a bit for themselves. Look at that 15 Terahash added on the 28th of March. 10 x 1,5TH BFL Mini Rigs? Then a Price Dump on MT Gox on that same day from 90ies down to 70ies (over 20% drop). I say someone just made half a million dollars, and it wasn't me with my GPUs.

Also, please show me a BitCoin Miner who isn't greedy. This is a game full of crooks, kids and those who have jobs and can code (pool operators).

Well I mine bitcoin. And I took $800 out of my pocket to warn newbies about BFL last week. I've bid $475 to do the same next week. Am I greedy?

As for Avalon, what they said was: "If people don't want to pay the price we think is fair, we will mine for ourselves."

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