Topic: My Beef with BFL (Constructive Criticism Only) - page 2. (Read 21623 times)

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With all due respect, you are off your rocker but I trust you know this already - blaming the bitcoin dev team for not capping workers the way you suggested??

Silly rabbit, asics are for trix!

Yeah, the free market has let us down. we need a central authority to place restrictions on the marketplace! rise up, comrade!

Nonsense.  They aren't being greedy.  They are selling their product with a 30 day ROI price point.  That is a gift.  It would be nice if they could find a way to make a product that could be priced closer to an enthusiast graphics card so ASICs could be more widely distributed, but that isn't Avalons fault.

ASICs are a net benefit as it is harder to attack the network now.  ASICMiner is troublesome in terms of their market share, but hopefully they will be responsible and start selling hardware rather than growing their farm from where it is.

And ASICs hold nearly 50% of hashpower already.  Good luck putting in place a change that harms their owners.

I agree... plus it is a very slippery slope. One must tread with caution in that conversation. If the bitcoin network was under attack by malevolent parties one might consider addressing such a bottom-up approach to curbing the damage. Barring that, its a very bad idea.

And for all intensive purposes the introduction of ASIC miners (no matter how poorly executed by manufacturers) is not an attack on the system per se.

Don't you think the Batch #2 & #3 delay was communicated, and they said in April, Avalon will ship both batches.  They have stuck close enough to schedule up to this point for us to give them the benefit of doubt.  I think that your not being fair compared to your two alternatives. 

I do not advocate an arbitrary ban on mining.  This sets a counter-productive precedent to the future management of the network.  People do not want power influenced in that manner.  In Bitcoin, you truly do vote with your coins.

Dalkore

   Sure when bfl posted back in june the developers could have simply said no unit that hashes over  29Gh will work at bit mining. Until said developer shows working prototype all workers are capped at 30Gh.
  At the time I think some Fpga rigs could do  25 to 27Gh. This would have forced builders to build the rigs first since they won't be allowed to work unless tested.  Capping a worker at 25 or 30  or 40 Gh should be simple to do.  Now the network is in the hands of a few rather then many. 

 This would have  meant buying an asic  from bfl back in june would be far less attractive then it was.  Buying an asic is still crazy stupid hard to do (if buying means getting it in a week or less) and that is really bad for bitcoin.

 Frankly I have 78GH (2x little singles + 2x jalapeños)  on order from BFL I don't expect to ever see it  , but I will get my money back since the orders are paypal. I will just get a refund every 40 days then order a week later.  So far I have done this twice. 

Basically take a good look at Avalon's actions They have sent out emails saying they are developing a mining farm and delaying the second batch along with the third batch getting a crazy price raise. There actions are bad as BFL's in every way except for the lucky 300.  The point I am making is asic's or the lack of the ability to buy them is going to kill bitcoins.  That is on the bitcoin program team not avalon not bfl and not asciminer. Since a 30 or 60 day ban on all workers with 30gh hash power would once again spread the network out instead of having a hand full of people or groups with most of the hash power.

A broken unit is better than a Avalon.  Wow, that is a heap of respect for your competitors.   I can't wait to support this type of attitude.  They really did hire the "perfect" PR person to handle company communications.  Good job Butterfly Labs.   

Let's just add to the list.

Can you elaborate this statement, please? How exactly could the bitcoin developers have banned any specific payments or mining devices?

The statement about power being too much is vague. It's using too much power? Or they are giving it too much power? Sounds like it is using too much power and they can't get enough hashing based on the statement he posted:


It would be nice for him to spell check before announcements. It would also be nice to have some proof that these developments are truthful which still isn't clear.

Too bad he doesn't have a smart phone to post a video. I don't know about you, but on the Samsung Note II, I click the camera. Switch it to video, click record. When I'm done, I click the share button and upload it to my youtube account. Outside of the actual video taking it takes a whole 30 extra seconds.

Obviously since he didn't have time to spell check, he wouldn't have thirty seconds to upload a video of the vaporware.

Better pretend things are working so that people stop asking for refunds. This thread is probably hurting their preorders.

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Yup.

Agreed, perhaps the point was not backed up with constructive criticism, but the request is clear and coming from the community. Who supports this?
 
Give BFL X days to prove itself or give them the Scammer Tag and stop advertising their "Order Now - initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013" crap.

Believe me, I want to like them, but how long does it take for a scam to be revealed? It's always "2 weeks from now"..

Claiming they have no evidence after they post a video would just devalues anything else you claim.

It should be up tomorrow. They wouldn't lie about it unless they were in a hurry to get refund requests.

No video? No working prototype.

Why?  They still haven't shipped.  When people who paid 9 months ago are getting their gear, AND it works as promised, it's time to change that signature.

Now that they have a working protype I guess you better change that sig.

Just saw bits and pieces of a conversation josh was having on bfl forum about the problem they are having about power being too much and heat problems i guess.

Said they will be putting up a video of a working unit soon - implied tomorrow but didnt see the actual shout.

I saw a thing where josh said if they missing their power target they would donate 1000 BTC to charity.. I only say this because i run an animal rescue group and would love to be the recipient of this...

I fear that the BFL "scandal" if you want to call it that has the potential to seriously hurt the bitcoin community-in a similar way (but hopefully smaller-scale) a government sanction against bitcoins would.