also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko's_triangle which at last got squared by Namecoin.
Namecoin, which was created by pseudonymous double-spacer "Vincent Durham" aka "vinced" who appeared right around when Satoshi Nakazabo vanished.
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Namecoin, which was created by pseudonymous double-spacer "Vincent Durham" aka "vinced" who appeared right around when Satoshi Nakazabo vanished.
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko's_triangle which at last got squared by Namecoin.
There is szabo again. we are going in circles lol. By design. Thanks Szabo.
And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
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On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
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Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
Interesting from http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
Read Dan Fabulich reply.
Then go here: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04919.html
It reads to me like Dan was obsess with the date that Digicash's patent expires: 2007(?).
Anybody know anything about Dan Fabulich except that he, too, types two spaces after a full stop?
It looks like
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04919.html
is a post by Matthew Gaylor, who is quoting a post by Dan Fabulich on extropians-digest on 7 Jun 2001
He does sound like a man with a plan.
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko's_triangle which at last got squared by Namecoin.
I know who santoshi nasamoko is and I'm not telling
If I told you that Mark Karpeles and I are really brothers and that together we'll bake you an apple pie, than maybe?
I know who santoshi nasamoko is and I'm not telling
And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
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On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
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Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
Interesting from http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
Read Dan Fabulich reply.
Then go here: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04919.html
It reads to me like Dan was obsess with the date that Digicash's patent expires: 2007(?).
Anybody know anything about Dan Fabulich except that he, too, types two spaces after a full stop?
I've got it, the Extropians were okay freezing just their brains right?
I think their reasoning on that is sound, at least to the extent that cryopreservation is assumed to be possible at all. The kind of technology required to revive a brain and an entire body are at such a level that if you can do one, you can likely do the other, or at least it won't be much longer. Freezing a brain, even as quickly as physically possible, is likely to cause damage that will have to be repaired at the microscopic level for so many cells in it that you'd end up with at best a drooling vegetable without doing it. That might be okay if we cryopreserve politicians, but most people would prefer actually to be mentally functional. That kind of cell repair is so advanced that creating a clone body, compared to it, isn't that much.
I've got it, the Extropians were okay freezing just their brains right? That means they must KNOW human cloning is possible, just take a few cells make a new body... well since they were involved with the tech companies that set that whole market up, then what if they had a clone made in about 99-00ish and had it in an accelerated growth tank for 5 years, then mind melded Zooko and Szabo with it.. then turned it loose... and it's probably buried in a national park somewhere now 
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Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
Incidentally, Freedom was genuinely awesome. It's too bad it didn't catch on for whatever reason. It was basically an early commercial attempt to do what TOR does now. I guess they couldn't manage to exploit it commercially enough to make a profit.
^ Szabo worked at DigiCash also. So that means Zooko and Szabo were co-workers. I'll check the dates to see if they were employed at the same time.
Zooko wrote the Bitcoin client with Szabo's whitepaper and guidance. When their project got too close to the CIA they jumped ship and went low and let Gavin and a few other enthusiasts handle the assets.Now Szabo pretends it's raining (still uses the same language) and supports Ethereum (full touring blockchain using Satoshi Consensus invented term coined by him) while Zooko calls for Satoshi to send him a message while working a public job and fancying Bitcoin projects.
Or Satoshi is someone totally different that knows their work but they don't know him (which is weird for Szabo having a doppelganger that does better than you while putting everyone on your tail).
You summed it up perfect. That's problably as close as we will ever get(the best conclusion from the available circumstantial evidence)........unless they (Szabo & Zooko) let us in on it
And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
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On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
I think from the posts I've read from 2005-2009 that both Tim May and David Chaum were just inspirations and mentors for Satoshi, both seem to have been mostly retired. I think if Chaum was Satoshi the white paper would say "©BitCoin: by David Chaum" and the first citation would be to DigiCash. That's just the kind of person he seems to be.
And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html
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On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum. It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.
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Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.
In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.
^ Szabo worked at DigiCash also. So that means Zooko and Szabo were co-workers. I'll check the dates to see if they were employed at the same time.
Zooko wrote the Bitcoin client with Szabo's whitepaper and guidance. When their project got too close to the CIA they jumped ship and went low and let Gavin and a few other enthusiasts handle the assets.Now Szabo pretends it's raining (still uses the same language) and supports Ethereum (full touring blockchain using Satoshi Consensus invented term coined by him) while Zooko calls for Satoshi to send him a message while working a public job and fancying Bitcoin projects.
Or Satoshi is someone totally different that knows their work but they don't know him (which is weird for Szabo having a doppelganger that does better than you while putting everyone on your tail).
^ Szabo worked at DigiCash also. So that means Zooko and Szabo were co-workers. I'll check the dates to see if they were employed at the same time.
Yes
pseodo-random brain droppings:
DigiCash Inc. was an electronic money corporation founded by David Chaum in 1990. DigiCash transactions were unique in that they were anonymous due to a number of cryptographic protocols developed by its founder. DigiCash declared bankruptcy in 1998.
The Nextropians (including Nick Szabo and Hal Finney) had meetings in Cupertino, only 6 miles away from Mountain View.
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn conducting a rather detailed analysis of a botnet herder mining Bitcoins
https://plus.google.com/108313527900507320366/posts/1oi1v7RxR1i
pseodo-random brain droppings:
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"Hi, I'm Zooko. I work for Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow" March 2001
Mountain View, CA
Mountain View, CA
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DigiCash, b.v. January 1996 - January 1998
Software Engineer
Designed and implemented a library offering programmable access to the "eCash" technology.
With a small team, designed and implemented a new generation of the "eCash" product.
Designed and implemented a CGI-based web commerce framework with which participating vendors accepted e-cash payments.
Implemented a server providing pseudonymous access to medical records in compliance with French law for Merck, France.
Software Engineer
Designed and implemented a library offering programmable access to the "eCash" technology.
With a small team, designed and implemented a new generation of the "eCash" product.
Designed and implemented a CGI-based web commerce framework with which participating vendors accepted e-cash payments.
Implemented a server providing pseudonymous access to medical records in compliance with French law for Merck, France.
DigiCash Inc. was an electronic money corporation founded by David Chaum in 1990. DigiCash transactions were unique in that they were anonymous due to a number of cryptographic protocols developed by its founder. DigiCash declared bankruptcy in 1998.
The Nextropians (including Nick Szabo and Hal Finney) had meetings in Cupertino, only 6 miles away from Mountain View.
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn conducting a rather detailed analysis of a botnet herder mining Bitcoins
https://plus.google.com/108313527900507320366/posts/1oi1v7RxR1i
Plot thickens.
FAAAAK
FAAAAK
Twould appear Zooko knows Satoshi..
https://twitter.com/zooko
Double bluff? But IMO probably related to mail hacking incident.
Edit: though that kind of implies that he know's Satoshi, but not necessarily the ID behind the nym, since otherwise he'd know better than most of us how to dig him up I would have thought.
https://twitter.com/zooko
Double bluff? But IMO probably related to mail hacking incident.
Edit: though that kind of implies that he know's Satoshi, but not necessarily the ID behind the nym, since otherwise he'd know better than most of us how to dig him up I would have thought.
It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk. And Tom Morrow and FM-2030. Nick Szabo was an Extropian.
So did Nick change his name?
So did Nick change his name?
Szabo said only Finney and Nakamoto had the motivation to accomplish it, but if you research 2007 you will see Zooko was fired up about creating Szabo's ideas.
Zooko was also unemployed from 2007(the year Nakamoto said he started working on Bitcoin) and stayed that way until Nakamoto disappeared. Zooko was also posting about Bitcoin 23 days after it was put online.(trying to get people in different circles to check it out)
http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/
And thank you for the Zooko leads.
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Bitcoin is the exact implementation of the system envisioned by Tim C. May, Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Hal Finney and Zooko.
A few more Zooko links...
1999 Zooko moving up in the cypherpunks
http://www.shmoo.com/mail/cypherpunks/jun99/msg00373.html
2007
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2007/06/nanobarter.html?m=1
2007
http://lowlife.jp/yasusii/blogmark/2007/08/
2007/2008 Zooko c++
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/pycryptopp/ticket/3
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle
http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-timing-is-everything.html?m=1
"Nick Szabo and Zooko Wilcox-O’Hearn disagree strongly with the thesis that “Bitcoin is Worse is Better”. They contend while there may be bad parts to Bitcoin, there is a novel core idea which is actually very clever - the hash chain is a compromise which thinks outside the box and gives us a sidestep around classic problems of distributed computing, which gives us something similar enough to a trustworthy non-centralized authority that we can use it in practice." ~gwern
Zooko: May 31, 2011 at 6:42 PM
"Gwern’s post fails to appreciate the technical advances that BitCoin originated."
"I have been trying, off and on, to invent a decentralized digital payment system for fifteen years (since I was at DigiCash). I wasn’t sure that a practical system was even *possible*, until BitCoin was actually implemented and became as popular as it has. Scientific advances often seem obvious in retrospect, and so it is with BitCoin."
Zooko: May 31, 2011 at 6:44 PM
"Oh wait, I have to revise this, as I remember trying to invent a decentralized digital payment system in about 1995, which was before I joined DigiCash. :-)"
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