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legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Phil,

Does the Biostar Z170GT7 (or the Z170 chipset) support up to 4 GPUs or 4 physical graphics cards?
Most reports I read say you can't run 5 cards on this board. I have a 295x2 (dual-GPU) card, so wondering if I can stick 4 cards / 5 GPUs and get it to work on this board.

Appreciate any insight on this.

my last 2 card gpu was a power color red devil 7990  I had 3 of them  one was an rma the other two ran one card card in each one and one decent card.

the boards would see them as four cards  but they would use six slots vs eight slots.

so based on my hd 7990's I would say it won't work.

I have seen a few people say they get 5 cards to run on a z170.

I gave up trying.

now in your case if the board lets the dual run with 2 other cards  they would be a 4 card setup that uses 3 cards and  7 slots so it would be extra room for cooling.
hero member
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Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?

Are you going to mine on it or it is just a powerful CPU?

zen is suppose to compete with intel on everything from now on
so its going to be a powerful cpu
 right now the ryzen is a 4-8 core cpu with 8-16 thread starting at 3.4ghz with 20mb L2+L3 cache
been a long time since I built an amd pc.

but it is still running at pne of my friends places

I just bought a used GA-990FXA-UD7 Mobo/ AMD CPU pair. It has 6 PCIe slots, was thinking of using risers. It also has the correct spacing to just run 4 cards straight up. Does anyone have practical experience with this board? I may just keep it simple and make it easy on myself after reading the last few pages  Grin
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Phil,

Does the Biostar Z170GT7 (or the Z170 chipset) support up to 4 GPUs or 4 physical graphics cards?
Most reports I read say you can't run 5 cards on this board. I have a 295x2 (dual-GPU) card, so wondering if I can stick 4 cards / 5 GPUs and get it to work on this board.

Appreciate any insight on this.
sr. member
Activity: 600
Merit: 261
Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?

Are you going to mine on it or it is just a powerful CPU?

zen is suppose to compete with intel on everything from now on
so its going to be a powerful cpu
 right now the ryzen is a 4-8 core cpu with 8-16 thread starting at 3.4ghz with 20mb L2+L3 cache

so basically, towards the upper end of what Intel has had out in the market for 1-2 years already  Wink
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?

Are you going to mine on it or it is just a powerful CPU?

zen is suppose to compete with intel on everything from now on
so its going to be a powerful cpu
 right now the ryzen is a 4-8 core cpu with 8-16 thread starting at 3.4ghz with 20mb L2+L3 cache
been a long time since I built an amd pc.

but it is still running at pne of my friends places
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
zen is suppose to compete with intel on everything from now on
so its going to be a powerful cpu
 right now the ryzen is a 4-8 core cpu with 8-16 thread starting at 3.4ghz with 20mb L2+L3 cache

Wow - thank you for info!
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?

Are you going to mine on it or it is just a powerful CPU?

zen is suppose to compete with intel on everything from now on
so its going to be a powerful cpu
 right now the ryzen is a 4-8 core cpu with 8-16 thread starting at 3.4ghz with 20mb L2+L3 cache
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?

it hasnt been released yet?
thought it was 1Q 2017?
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?

Are you going to mine on it or it is just a powerful CPU?
legendary
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---- winter*juvia -----
Meanwhile.... I have been waiting for AMD's ZEN CPU.... so it has been launched as "RYZEN" -- anyone has gotten one yet?
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
Citronick... can I ask your recommendation on when to run that 6xGPU mod app?  pre or post attempted install of GPU #5?  Meaning, should I run it now with only the 4 working GPUs plugged into my rig or, attempt to install the 5th again (getting the error 43) and THEN run this mod app?  Thanks  Smiley

Put in all 5 OR all 6 GPUs.

Install DDU and perform clean DDU in safe mode (Download latest here http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html)

Install Crimson 16.11.x (avoid the Relive 16.12.x)

Ensure Device Manager sees them all (you may need to seat and reseat the risers etc)

If the last GPU give you "Error 43" - run the 6GPU utility in Admin mode - reboot.

Good luck!
sr. member
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Citronick... can I ask your recommendation on when to run that 6xGPU mod app?  pre or post attempted install of GPU #5?  Meaning, should I run it now with only the 4 working GPUs plugged into my rig or, attempt to install the 5th again (getting the error 43) and THEN run this mod app?  Thanks  Smiley
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gabryrox -



I had a few suppliers from China via AliExpress on the powered risers - ensure your get the version 3 with USB3 type - I have very little issues with those. Avoid the ribbon type risers because the solder works on those are back-alley quality and are a fire-hazard.



Afternote:
While I have the multi-GPU config still in my mini-farm, all my new builds are riser-less on based on Biostar Z170 4xPCI slotters. Keeping it simple as possible.


Citronick, could you provide a link to a good Chinese supplier for the USB3 PCI risers ? dealing with the seller "approved by Citronick" will save time to many of us .

Another point I find difficult to understand : how can a 4GPU mining RIG be profitable ?! it's already very hard to ROI a 6GPU H81 rig !
Only 4 GPUs on a more expensive MB like the Biostar should be almost impossible to ROI, no ?

See this link. Pack of 10. Ensure to confirm USB cable length.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-PCI-E-PCI-E-Express-1X-to-16X-Riser-Card-USB-3-0-Extender/1679698470.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.Rhx98E

Why build rigs small?

Big PSUs are expensive. More GPUs more power, more heat, more power trips, more unknowns. Risers are finicky too. You need more cooling solutions - buy more fans. So any bigger you need more space.... so rent? lease? Cabling works? So you see monster rigs need alot more additional resources to keep it alive.

Although I still keep my 6 and 7 riggers, its just because I already invested in 1600w EVGA PSUs. Never again - its too expensive and harder to ROI, unless you have ASICs....

Now all my newer PSUs are max 1000w, cheaper 750-850w are ideal for 4xGPUs. Compact Z170 simplifies deployment. BIOSTAR Racing is a cheap and good mobo IMHO. Thanks to Philip who introduced this gem of board. Similar Z170 from ASrock and Asus are also good boards.

You need to save time.... to figure out and getting that one or two 6 x GPU rigs to work will take some much time, frustration and troubleshooting you lose mining time accumulating coins, cashing in if you can get good profit OR keep and wait, to trade & sell high in Poloniex for example.

I guess everyone will go through a unique mining experience, to be profitable spend little time troubleshooting and get mining to work fast. With this 4 slotters and killer miner app like Claymore's ZCASH, XMR and ETH miners... you already have speed. To be ahead of the game, you need accumulate and reach ROI as fast as possible.... any coin after that will be revenue less expenses = pure profit. Mining at any later stage under increased difficulty will get you less profit, longer ROI or even no ROI. So Timing is Everything.

I rather have 10 small rigs that I know will work and stable, VS. 5 x monster rigs that loses a card every now and then because of high power draw, overheated GPUs or intensity too high in Claymore's miners. No problems pushing Claymore to max settings on a 4xGPU rig.

The next step in the horizon is would they be a generic GPU "chip or ASICS" like BTC's A7 or S9, X11 or Scrypt miners. Personally, I dont think it will happen for ASIC-like generic GPUs, unless AMD puts RX480 chips x 100 on a special extension board.It will be good to have 1 big-ass miner that.... something like Panda Miner is trying to do. Then all you need is a couple of these and you are set.... until then I will be happy 4-slot rigs.

These are just my own humble opinions - I am sure many of you out there may have other approaches on how to be profitable in mining. Otherwise, forget mining and go straight to trading in Poloniex - you can also make good money this way without buying a single GPU.

Sorry for long post.


I always use the 6X cards and use the 1250W power supply. But I only run the cards at 1000W to have high efficiency.
hero member
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Thank you citronick and Phil!
legendary
Activity: 4256
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'The right to privacy matters'
citronick,

I've tried to have a look on Z170 MBs on Amazon - I could not find any with 4 full size PCI slots

Could you please point one?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138421

Note: even the on/off, reset button is touch sensor on the mobo. So no additional cost for on/off switch. Supports M2 storage so even less cables for SSD. Tested with Simpleminer and ethOS booting off USB3 thumbdrives.

to followup  this board goes on sale often  119 or 129 is common.

here is a great samsung m2  40 dollars

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Samsung-128GB-CM871-SSD-M-2-2280-NGFF-MZ-NLF1280-80mm-SATA3-Solid-Sate-Drive-/272432411238?

dead solid psu right here

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182353

so 119 when mobo is on sale

and  40 for ssd

and 110 psu

a stick of ram  23

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148856


no risers.  much smaller psu.

and four  rx 470 gpus   can be had at 720


small build  really compact.

the key is to wait for the mobo to be on sale.

as for your cpu  I buy from this guy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-6400T-Quad-Core-2-20GHz-Skylake-CPU-8-00-GT-s-6MB-SR2L1-/322355695503?

and a few others  but this one will do

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Pentium-G4400T-2-90GHz-512-3MB-Socket-LGA1151-Skylake-S-CPU-SR2HQ-/152337185390?

note the t option  it saves watts 


 
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
citronick,

I've tried to have a look on Z170 MBs on Amazon - I could not find any with 4 full size PCI slots

Could you please point one?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138421

Note: even the on/off, reset button is touch sensor on the mobo. So no additional cost for on/off switch. Supports M2 storage so even less cables for SSD. Tested with Simpleminer and ethOS booting off USB3 thumbdrives.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
citronick,

I've tried to have a look on Z170 MBs on Amazon - I could not find any with 4 full size PCI slots

Could you please point one?



legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
I agree. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). takes very little down time due to a crashed rig/card to negate any savings from an overly complicated rig or crazy card settings like extreme BIOS flashes etc.

i know many people super tune cards or rigs for a specific algorithm but i prefer a rig that can switch with a simple .bat file and not worry about psu overload or cards dropping out because they are too wound too tight for just one coin.

keep it consecutive, keep it running 24/7
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1080
---- winter*juvia -----
gabryrox -



I had a few suppliers from China via AliExpress on the powered risers - ensure your get the version 3 with USB3 type - I have very little issues with those. Avoid the ribbon type risers because the solder works on those are back-alley quality and are a fire-hazard.



Afternote:
While I have the multi-GPU config still in my mini-farm, all my new builds are riser-less on based on Biostar Z170 4xPCI slotters. Keeping it simple as possible.


Citronick, could you provide a link to a good Chinese supplier for the USB3 PCI risers ? dealing with the seller "approved by Citronick" will save time to many of us .

Another point I find difficult to understand : how can a 4GPU mining RIG be profitable ?! it's already very hard to ROI a 6GPU H81 rig !
Only 4 GPUs on a more expensive MB like the Biostar should be almost impossible to ROI, no ?

See this link. Pack of 10. Ensure to confirm USB cable length.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-PCI-E-PCI-E-Express-1X-to-16X-Riser-Card-USB-3-0-Extender/1679698470.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.Rhx98E

Why build rigs small?

Big PSUs are expensive. More GPUs more power, more heat, more power trips, more unknowns. Risers are finicky too. You need more cooling solutions - buy more fans. So any bigger you need more space.... so rent? lease? Cabling works? So you see monster rigs need alot more additional resources to keep it alive.

Although I still keep my 6 and 7 riggers, its just because I already invested in 1600w EVGA PSUs. Never again - its too expensive and harder to ROI, unless you have ASICs....

Now all my newer PSUs are max 1000w, cheaper 750-850w are ideal for 4xGPUs. Compact Z170 simplifies deployment. BIOSTAR Racing is a cheap and good mobo IMHO. Thanks to Philip who introduced this gem of board. Similar Z170 from ASrock and Asus are also good boards.

You need to save time.... to figure out and getting that one or two 6 x GPU rigs to work will take some much time, frustration and troubleshooting you lose mining time accumulating coins, cashing in if you can get good profit OR keep and wait, to trade & sell high in Poloniex for example.

I guess everyone will go through a unique mining experience, to be profitable spend little time troubleshooting and get mining to work fast. With this 4 slotters and killer miner app like Claymore's ZCASH, XMR and ETH miners... you already have speed. To be ahead of the game, you need accumulate and reach ROI as fast as possible.... any coin after that will be revenue less expenses = pure profit. Mining at any later stage under increased difficulty will get you less profit, longer ROI or even no ROI. So Timing is Everything.

I rather have 10 small rigs that I know will work and stable, VS. 5 x monster rigs that loses a card every now and then because of high power draw, overheated GPUs or intensity too high in Claymore's miners. No problems pushing Claymore to max settings on a 4xGPU rig.

The next step in the horizon is would they be a generic GPU "chip or ASICS" like BTC's A7 or S9, X11 or Scrypt miners. Personally, I dont think it will happen for ASIC-like generic GPUs, unless AMD puts RX480 chips x 100 on a special extension board.It will be good to have 1 big-ass miner that.... something like Panda Miner is trying to do. Then all you need is a couple of these and you are set.... until then I will be happy 4-slot rigs.

These are just my own humble opinions - I am sure many of you out there may have other approaches on how to be profitable in mining. Otherwise, forget mining and go straight to trading in Poloniex - you can also make good money this way without buying a single GPU.

Sorry for long post.
hero member
Activity: 501
Merit: 500
gabryrox -



I had a few suppliers from China via AliExpress on the powered risers - ensure your get the version 3 with USB3 type - I have very little issues with those. Avoid the ribbon type risers because the solder works on those are back-alley quality and are a fire-hazard.



Afternote:
While I have the multi-GPU config still in my mini-farm, all my new builds are riser-less on based on Biostar Z170 4xPCI slotters. Keeping it simple as possible.


Citronick, could you provide a link to a good Chinese supplier for the USB3 PCI risers ? dealing with the seller "approved by Citronick" will save time to many of us .

Another point I find difficult to understand : how can a 4GPU mining RIG be profitable ?! it's already very hard to ROI a 6GPU H81 rig !
Only 4 GPUs on a more expensive MB like the Biostar should be almost impossible to ROI, no ?
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