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October 04, 2015, 10:37:51 AM
#87
I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?
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October 04, 2015, 10:29:31 AM
#86
I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?
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October 04, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
#85
I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?
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October 04, 2015, 10:22:00 AM
#84
I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.
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October 04, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
#83
If there is liquid water in Mars it will certainly have micro-organisms as well! Wired already published an article about the recent announcement.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/nasa-salty-liquid-water-on-mars/12?mbid=social_fb

Life can manifest in the most unlikely environments on earth so pretty sure there is probably many examples of life just in our solar system.
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October 04, 2015, 10:08:48 AM
#82
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.
No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.

They are not successful in growing plants in space station because they don't use artificial gravity to mimic the gravity here on earth.

We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.

We will not bring dirt for sure. We can go grow plants on water or using Mar's soil. I'm sure at first we will be growing algae for food and for oxygen it's very light and produces the most oxygen than other plants. And we will not be bringing Cows or Pigs mostly likely we will be culturing modified rats or chickens in Mars.

I think we will not be bringing concrete all we need is a tunneling equipment and bore a hole on solid rock on mars.



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October 04, 2015, 09:40:17 AM
#81
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.
No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

hitch hike is faster, would you take barbarians savages in your car?

(but thank you for posting this very informative post Smiley, I liked it).
legendary
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October 04, 2015, 09:31:00 AM
#80
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.
No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.
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October 04, 2015, 09:24:21 AM
#79
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

I prefer to start the hostilities with a giant sunflares, unbufferable by the shield, then tectonic shift, volcanos, nuclear meltdowns, game over, next player.
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October 04, 2015, 09:21:38 AM
#78
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.
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October 04, 2015, 09:15:57 AM
#77
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.
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October 04, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
#76
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.
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October 04, 2015, 08:44:31 AM
#75
forward, let's probe those salt... don't tell me about stupid contamination, it's already too late anyway.
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October 04, 2015, 08:39:13 AM
#74
MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.
If Mars every had a civilization then I think they sent some of the species on the Earth to thrive.A very vague idea though Cheesy
it is very possible. civilization has occurred very long time. and in some previous studies a lot in common premises mars earth.

If there is life/civilization on Mars it would have move underground to survive.
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October 04, 2015, 08:27:02 AM
#73
MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.
If Mars every had a civilization then I think they sent some of the species on the Earth to thrive.A very vague idea though Cheesy
it is very possible. civilization has occurred very long time. and in some previous studies a lot in common premises mars earth.
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October 04, 2015, 08:26:25 AM
#72
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.
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October 04, 2015, 08:14:37 AM
#71
MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.
If Mars every had a civilization then I think they sent some of the species on the Earth to thrive.A very vague idea though Cheesy
sr. member
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October 04, 2015, 06:24:35 AM
#70
MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.
legendary
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October 03, 2015, 11:06:59 PM
#69
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?
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October 03, 2015, 06:26:50 PM
#68
I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again Smiley
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. And Earth won't explode in less than 1000 years  Wink because it will never. However, the Sun's collapse is in "just" 4 000 000 000 years. In so much time we'll have found and colonized manys new planets  Wink !
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