Topic: 📈 NastyFans: The Bitcoin Enthusiast Fan Club (est. 2012) - page 160. (Read 958972 times)
The best "canary in a coal mine" alert will be the e-mail to OGNasty from BFL. I would think BFL would be asking for the trade-in Singles to be mailed back first.
I still find it insane (in a good way) that you use C++.
Actually it is C. Thank you for compliment.
Nonnakip, many thanks for the new features!
Thank you. I always work in the background to improve nastyfans. I have more features to do still.
Nonnakip, many thanks for the new features!
Thank you. I always work in the background to improve nastyfans. I have more features to do still.
Nonnakip, many thanks for the new features! I was about to request a sell-list, but not only did we get that, also quite a few more things i did not expect!
The IPO was 25,000 seats from day one. ((...snip...)) I hope people do their own research and don't listen to you, because you're a nut job.
((...snip...))
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What were you referring to? Why did you imply a different number than 25000 last year?
IPO UPDATE:
1,080 shares have been sold so far after 48 hours of trading. That leaves roughly 2,260 more shares to be sold in order for shareholders to own all of the equipment that has already been purchased for this operation.
1,080 shares have been sold so far after 48 hours of trading. That leaves roughly 2,260 more shares to be sold in order for shareholders to own all of the equipment that has already been purchased for this operation.
Incidentally... I added those numbers wrong:
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1080 + 2260 = 3340
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3340 + 2600 = 5940
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3340 + 2600 = 5940
Edit: Oh... maybe my math skills aren't entirely to blame?
It's all kinda confusing because one of ognasty's posts from from June 2012 kinda looked like it was saying 1080 + 2260 would be the entire IPO. I must've been confused / I got the number "3200" from yet another ognasty post, and I just assumed it all adds up:
When do you expect to have the BFL's to start paying a dividend?
ASAP. The order was placed 3 weeks ago for the first couple units... I'm hoping to start dividend payments once the initial 3,200 shares are sold. Depending on the length of time between that and the arrival of our first batch of equipment, I may be willing to cover theoretical earnings prior to the operation being brought online.
kuzetsa, I'm not the one undercutting you and I've never sold a seat below the IPO price. Believe me when I tell you that there is nothing I would like to see more than you selling all your seats.
I don't have the patience to point out all the ways that you're wrong. The offering was 25,000 seats from day one as that was how many seats were issued by GLBSE. It was never increased to this day. The number you quote is the amount that was offered on the first day of trading at the original price and backed by the equipment held at the time. I hope people do their own research and don't listen to you, because you're a nut job.
They're backed by hardware orders and aren't receiving distributions until the hardware is in place. You have no point, you're a troll and nowhere near as clever as you think you are.
I don't have the patience to point out all the ways that you're wrong. The offering was 25,000 seats from day one as that was how many seats were issued by GLBSE. It was never increased to this day. The number you quote is the amount that was offered on the first day of trading at the original price and backed by the equipment held at the time. I hope people do their own research and don't listen to you, because you're a nut job.
What about the larger number. The 25000 "seats" (most of which are converted from treasury shares which you now control)
Are those backed by hardware?
That was my point.
Are those backed by hardware?
That was my point.
They're backed by hardware orders and aren't receiving distributions until the hardware is in place. You have no point, you're a troll and nowhere near as clever as you think you are.
The number you quote is the amount that was offered and backed by the equipment held at the time. I hope people do their own research and don't listen to you...
Right.
You're confirming that 5800 are backed by hardware...
What about the larger number. The 25000 "seats" (most of which are converted from treasury shares which you now control)
Are those backed by hardware?
That was my point.
Edited: re-linked the source for the quote... it is now a quote of the post "after" this one
(OgNasty deleted the post I was quoting, only to add a new post which contains the same text
... and a re-write of the namecalling so it now calls me a "troll" in addition to "nut job")
Please see my post here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1683055
OgNasty controlled treasury shares in GLBSE. Your demands are unjustified.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1683055
OgNasty controlled treasury shares in GLBSE. Your demands are unjustified.
Not the same as outstanding shares.
IPO UPDATE:
1,080 shares have been sold so far after 48 hours of trading. That leaves roughly 2,260 more shares to be sold in order for shareholders to own all of the equipment that has already been purchased for this operation.
1,080 shares have been sold so far after 48 hours of trading. That leaves roughly 2,260 more shares to be sold in order for shareholders to own all of the equipment that has already been purchased for this operation.
IPO was originally only 3200 outstanding shares
When do you expect to have the BFL's to start paying a dividend?
ASAP. The order was placed 3 weeks ago for the first couple units... I'm hoping to start dividend payments once the initial 3,200 shares are sold. Depending on the length of time between that and the arrival of our first batch of equipment, I may be willing to cover theoretical earnings prior to the operation being brought online.
Im eager to know, who the 1000 shares investor is.
@Unknown care to reaveal yourself?
It was actually 2,600 shares that were purchased at 0.5BTC/share by the mystery investor. Not my place to name him though. @Unknown care to reaveal yourself?
@ Nasty have you done a liquidity planning?
With the newest issue of stocks i'd love to see some more transparency regarding future investements, share issues etc.
I haven't done much thought with liquidity planning yet. I'm still in hardware purchasing mode.With the newest issue of stocks i'd love to see some more transparency regarding future investements, share issues etc.
With the added mystery shares, the total outstanding became 5800 shares (3200 + 2600)
That was July 2012 (nearly a year ago)
... this value of 5800 is completely supported by empirical evidence with the first distribution of nasty fans:
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12/17/12 09:05 PM 5812
There were aprox 5800 "outstanding shares" when GLBSE closed. The rest were "treasury shares"
Quote from: Stock dilution (wikipedia)
Stock dilution is a general term that results from the issue of additional common shares by a company. This increase in the number of shares outstanding ...
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A share dilution scam happens when a company, typically traded in unregulated markets such as the OTC Bulletin Board and the Pink Sheets, repeatedly issues a massive amount of shares into the market (using follow-on offerings) for no particular reason, considerably devaluing share prices until they become almost worthless, causing huge losses to shareholders.
((...snip...))
A share dilution scam happens when a company, typically traded in unregulated markets such as the OTC Bulletin Board and the Pink Sheets, repeatedly issues a massive amount of shares into the market (using follow-on offerings) for no particular reason, considerably devaluing share prices until they become almost worthless, causing huge losses to shareholders.
... and also:
Quote from: Follow-on offering (wikipedia)
A follow-on offering (often but incorrectly called secondary offering) is an issuance of stock subsequent to the company's initial public offering. A follow-on offering can be either of two types (or a mixture of both): dilutive and non-dilutive.
It occurs to me that you never proved the full 25k seats were backed by any actual investment on your part.
Please see my post here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1683055
OgNasty controlled treasury shares in GLBSE. Your demands are unjustified.
The poll has been running for like 3 weeks at this point .... and if I remember right, polls auto-close after 30 days?
Correct.
EXPLETIVE DELETED!!! I just tried to sell 15 of my seats at below IPO price, and someone immediately decided to undercut me, selling 7 seats for 0.005 BTC less
Maybe someone else wants to sell seats also. Do they complain because you undercut them? Please remain calm and lower your price if it is so important to sell seats now.
...Unrelated:
EXPLETIVE DELETED!!! I just tried to sell 15 of my seats at below IPO price, and someone immediately decided to undercut me, selling 7 seats for 0.005 BTC less
Why you do this?!... I was going to make a second attempt at ordering some ASICs of my own
(my previous attempt was thwarted when the $200 bubble burst a couple weeks ago)
EXPLETIVE DELETED!!! I just tried to sell 15 of my seats at below IPO price, and someone immediately decided to undercut me, selling 7 seats for 0.005 BTC less
Why you do this?!... I was going to make a second attempt at ordering some ASICs of my own
(my previous attempt was thwarted when the $200 bubble burst a couple weeks ago)
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04/19/13 07:01 PM 7071
04/12/13 07:01 PM 7068
04/05/13 06:19 PM 7019
03/29/13 07:43 PM 6994
03/22/13 07:01 PM 6989
03/15/13 07:20 PM 6836
03/09/13 02:08 AM 6818
03/01/13 07:55 PM 6792
02/22/13 07:20 PM 6759
02/15/13 07:03 PM 6552
02/08/13 07:24 PM 6526
02/01/13 07:16 PM 6012
01/26/13 01:46 AM 5973
01/18/13 04:52 PM 5787
01/11/13 08:37 PM 5602
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12/28/12 09:30 PM 6211
12/25/12 04:03 PM 6007
12/17/12 09:05 PM 5812
04/12/13 07:01 PM 7068
04/05/13 06:19 PM 7019
03/29/13 07:43 PM 6994
03/22/13 07:01 PM 6989
03/15/13 07:20 PM 6836
03/09/13 02:08 AM 6818
03/01/13 07:55 PM 6792
02/22/13 07:20 PM 6759
02/15/13 07:03 PM 6552
02/08/13 07:24 PM 6526
02/01/13 07:16 PM 6012
01/26/13 01:46 AM 5973
01/18/13 04:52 PM 5787
01/11/13 08:37 PM 5602
01/04/13 06:23 PM 6080
12/28/12 09:30 PM 6211
12/25/12 04:03 PM 6007
12/17/12 09:05 PM 5812
Not cool... I just realized why I can't sell my seats.
Every time someone attempts to sell, more seats are being dumped on the market.
It's not hard to guess who is doing it:
There is exactly one person "not accepting donations" who holds a large supply of seats.
I can't think of anyone else... like... so now you're selling for lower than IPO price? really?
OgNasty... are you really dumping more seats on the market?
It occurs to me that you never proved the full 25k seats were backed by any actual investment on your part.
These are seats which were previously
Quoted for emphasis / context
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There is no way you could have so many seats as you do, because the total number of outstanding shares when GLBSE closed was something like 10 thousand seats fewer than you currently have. There really is no way you can explain that you legitimately bought so many from anyone else. Quite simply, these treasury shares were given to you as "freebie", and there's no other way to look at it.
The initial number of seats given to members matches the GLBSE list I received. On that list OgNasty had many seats.
1) Was there any digital signature with a timestamp proving this list is unmodified, and originated from GLBSE?
2) If not, is there a money trail / evidence in the blockchain with transactions to support actual purchase of this number?
3) If not, are there posts on this thread backing up or suggesting that OgNasty had personally bought and paid for 15k+ shares while [NASTY] was still on GLBSE?
4) If not, what about evidence of mining hardware purchased by OgNasty which is proportional to the amount of hash power equivalent to this many seats / shares?
On point #4, assuming IPO prices, and $5/bitcoin, that represents considerably more than 10x BFL ASICs... This $5/btc number is pretty generous considering things have been trading at higher than $5/btc since the IPO, and the IPO was at something like 0.2 BTC per share (shouldn't be too hard to do a real estimate / audit on this... I only request that someone please sanity-check the number of seats OgNasty currently has, even if the findings are not fully disclosed)
There is no way you could have so many seats as you do, because the total number of outstanding shares when GLBSE closed was something like 10 thousand seats fewer than you currently have. There really is no way you can explain that you legitimately bought so many from anyone else. Quite simply, these treasury shares were given to you as "freebie", and there's no other way to look at it.
3) why does OgNasty have control of greater than 25% of the seats, and with it, the ability to unilaterally veto any and all polls
The initial number of seats given to members matches the GLBSE list I received. On that list OgNasty had many seats.
1) Was there any digital signature with a timestamp proving this list is unmodified, and originated from GLBSE?
2) If not, is there a money trail / evidence in the blockchain with transactions to support actual purchase of this number?
3) If not, are there posts on this thread backing up or suggesting that OgNasty had personally bought and paid for 15k+ shares while [NASTY] was still on GLBSE?
4) If not, what about evidence of mining hardware purchased by OgNasty which is proportional to the amount of hash power equivalent to this many seats / shares?
On point #4, assuming IPO prices, and $5/bitcoin, that represents considerably more than 10x BFL ASICs... This $5/btc number is pretty generous considering things have been trading at higher than $5/btc since the IPO, and the IPO was at something like 0.2 BTC per share (shouldn't be too hard to do a real estimate / audit on this... I only request that someone please sanity-check the number of seats OgNasty currently has, even if the findings are not fully disclosed)
policy change... 25% reinvestment thingy...
The poll has been running for like 3 weeks at this point
.... and if I remember right, polls auto-close after 30 days?
...Unrelated:
EXPLETIVE DELETED!!! I just tried to sell 15 of my seats at below IPO price, and someone immediately decided to undercut me, selling 7 seats for 0.005 BTC less
Why you do this?!... I was going to make a second attempt at ordering some ASICs of my own
(my previous attempt was thwarted when the $200 bubble burst a couple weeks ago)
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no: 746 (10.5%)
yes: 4990 (70.3%)
not yet voted: 1361 (19.2%)
abstain: 17903
yes: 4990 (70.3%)
not yet voted: 1361 (19.2%)
abstain: 17903
The poll has been running for like 3 weeks at this point
.... and if I remember right, polls auto-close after 30 days?
...Unrelated:
EXPLETIVE DELETED!!! I just tried to sell 15 of my seats at below IPO price, and someone immediately decided to undercut me, selling 7 seats for 0.005 BTC less
Why you do this?!... I was going to make a second attempt at ordering some ASICs of my own
(my previous attempt was thwarted when the $200 bubble burst a couple weeks ago)
Distribution 232142 is complete. Thank you to our donators.
If all the fans except OgNasty donated say 0.005BTC\seat + we add the bASIC remainder we could probably have one.
7068 x 0.005 = 35.19BTC if I am correct.
Either way we have agreed that 25% of the mined BTC goes to new equipment.
I do not think we will see BFL sending our rigs before May...
But this is just my opinion.
7068 x 0.005 = 35.19BTC if I am correct.
Either way we have agreed that 25% of the mined BTC goes to new equipment.
I do not think we will see BFL sending our rigs before May...
But this is just my opinion.
I agree. I think we would be better served to remain patient with our current orders. No sense wasting Bitcoins just because we have them. Better opportunities are sure to present themselves.
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