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Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Out of everyone in this thread you are the closest to what has happened imho. My theory who is the one person missing who is loving this scenario? marcotheminer and he would have known jocas alts because joca was in his campaign add to the mix not liking ndnhc and constantly trying to troll his signature thread.

Failing that he resorted to plan b which we get to witness.

He added dadice on skype recently around the same time who has made public marco trying to talk him into letting him take over from ndnhc. He is also sly. I could create a new account plant marcos address everywhere and claim responsibility would that be good for you? It was good enough before. I feel ashamed of this place with the control a few have over the many.

"Plant marco address everywhere" see thats the problem here, question2 didnt plant ndnhc address everywhere, in fact only in 1 giveaway post wich is incredibly hard for anyone to notice, if he really wanted to frame ndnhc he would have posted the address everywhere ad you said or at least a few more times

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Out of everyone in this thread you are the closest to what has happened imho. My theory who is the one person missing who is loving this scenario?
marcotheminer and he would have known jocas alts because joca was in his campaign add to the mix not liking ndnhc and constantly trying to troll his signature thread.

Failing that he resorted to plan b which we get to witness.

He added dadice on skype recently around the same time who has made public marco trying to talk him into letting him take over from ndnhc. He is also sly. I could create a new account plant marcos address everywhere and claim responsibility would that be good for you?
It was good enough before. I feel ashamed of this place with the control a few have over the many.

EDIT: In bold in case it wasn't clear, I have no intention of doing that just want to hear an answer from default what they would do. How does ndnhc member prove it was not him and it was a case as above?

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Quote from: Wendigo on May 30, 2015, 12:28:00 AM

Ndnhc is a university student from Europe. This time around every year is the time for the final state exams and such. He is probably having a couple left and reading for them thus not visiting the forum. He is probably unemployed too and managing that infamous sig campaign for the cash.

By the way this thread is more epic than game of thrones i will give you that good job everyone lol.

Wait for the exams to end and he will be here all summer long anyways to ask him about that Cool

That's a rubbish excuse, you don't lose all internet when exam time rolls round, it would of taken him 2 minutes to come along and refute the allegations. The mere fact that he is not logging on at all is more evidence that he's involved with something shady. How can he be "managing that infamous sig campaign" when he won't even show his face around here? Way too fishy. If he hasn't posted in this thread by now, he knows the game is up and will just have to move on to new accounts. I hope he get's busted like this every time until he sees that an honest life is the only way to go. I don't agree with the whole concept of selling accounts here, but he could of got a lot more money for it that way.

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Quote from: XinXan on May 30, 2015, 12:42:54 AM

I dont believe he will be able to say or provide any evidence that would help him tho. All the possible excuses have been mentioned already. Maybe a staff member could check his ip, see if he used the same for both accounts wich i doubt, he could also take a look at his passwords, if they are the same then its gg.

We will still need to here from him, all the possible excuses is nothing more but speculation here. Badbear may negative trust him soon if he is guilty , until then if there is no negative trust from badbear than there is still a chance that he might have been frame

Quote from: XinXan on May 30, 2015, 12:42:54 AM

Since the account question2 didnt really post too much there is no way to see if there are similarities in their posts or where they post. But, as mentioned already qs2 did post 2/4 of his posts on dadice threads.

Very funny, so anyone that post in dadice is suspected too? He post 2/4 , one is prediction thread , most people predict here with their alt account and the second one in dadice signature , quoting a post from joca about his alt account

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Quote from: Wendigo on May 30, 2015, 12:28:00 AM

Ndnhc is a university student from Europe. This time around every year is the time for the final state exams and such. He is probably having a couple left and reading for them thus not visiting the forum. He is probably unemployed too and managing that infamous sig campaign for the cash.

By the way this thread is more epic than game of thrones i will give you that good job everyone lol.

Wait for the exams to end and he will be here all summer long anyways to ask him about that Cool

Yeah i guess, in spain students finished already tho but it depends on the country. It is still pretty weird that he has been offline after a few hours of this post.

I dont believe he will be able to say or provide any evidence that would help him tho. All the possible excuses have been mentioned already. Maybe a staff member could check his ip, see if he used the same for both accounts wich i doubt, he could also take a look at his passwords, if they are the same then its gg.

Since the account question2 didnt really post too much there is no way to see if there are similarities in their posts or where they post. But, as mentioned already qs2 did post 2/4 of his posts on dadice threads.

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Ndnhc is a university student from Europe. This time around every year is the time for the final state exams and such. He is probably having a couple left and reading for them thus not visiting the forum. He is probably unemployed too and managing that infamous sig campaign for the cash.

By the way this thread is more epic than game of thrones i will give you that good job everyone lol.

Wait for the exams to end and he will be here all summer long anyways to ask him about that Cool

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 29, 2015, 10:35:06 AM

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

So far everyone that defends him is participating in the dadice signature campaign so ... the arguments and accusations are not depressing, they are true. The argument of : why would he bother risking his reputation is not a good one. He used another account not his main account therefore he probably thought he wasnt in danger so he wasnt really risking anything. Dont ask yourself why would he do it for only 0.1 and such things, scammers can scam you even for 0.01 if they can.

We who are wearing dadice sig. dont defend him because of the campaign, as we are paid by dadice, and not ndnhc.
Fact is that he was too good of a btctalk member to try to scam, let alone for pocket change.
Anyone who thinks that extortionist created a new account to blackmail, and didnt bother to use newly generated address for dumb giveaway is not thinking straight.
I rest this case, seams that people want to blame no matter how dumb it seams.

cheers

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 29, 2015, 10:35:06 AM

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

It wouldn't be risking his rep if he signed up to do the extortion from a different account... unless you screw up. People can always get greedy or hold grudges and it can make people do bad things. Again, not saying he did do this but I don't think we should automatically discredit accusations just because the person is trusted or seems to be.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 29, 2015, 12:25:22 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 28, 2015, 01:38:17 PM

From my interactions with ndnhc, he always came across as a friendly and good person. I will wait to see his side of the explanation. There is always the chance that he was framed. After all it is surprising that someone will take the effort to create a new account to extort, but use an old address.

If this is in fact ndnhc then the using of the old address was likely a mistake. I would guess/speculate that ndnhc had used an old multibit wallet (or some other non-deterministic wallet) and copied the wrong address to his clipboard (this is of course assuming that ndnhc is in fact guilty). I also have had nothing but good interactions with ndnhc, however that does not mean that there is more then one side to him. I will obviously be willing to hear his side of the story.

Quote from: Carra23 on May 28, 2015, 01:38:17 PM

Quote from: umairsaleem on May 28, 2015, 03:32:54 AM

So, ndnhc made this account(question2) to extort .1BTC from Joca97? Why did he do this? As a signature campaign manager, he must be getting more income more than average person.

He does.

According to a source, he makes an estimate of 1.8 BTC per month running the DaDice campaign. That works out to roughly $423 per month. That works out to roughly $5,000 per year. In the US, the poverty link for a single person is $11,770 (source), however it is less in other parts of the world. Also according to gallop, the median world household income is ~$10,000, and the median per-capita income is ~$3,000. While an income of $5,000 per year is technically "above average on a per-capita world basis, I think it is fair to say that an extra .1 BTC (~$23) would be a good amount for someone that only makes $5,000 per year.

dadice campaign is his only source of income? if so i would think he is still very young - decent earnings if so.

.1 extra bonus is still only worth a small amount of hassle/risk even if you were a homeless tramp you can beg for a few bucks per hour. If not homeless sign up @ bitcointalk for a signature campaign. Grin

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 29, 2015, 10:35:06 AM

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

So far everyone that defends him is participating in the dadice signature campaign so ... the arguments and accusations are not depressing, they are true. The argument of : why would he bother risking his reputation is not a good one. He used another account not his main account therefore he probably thought he wasnt in danger so he wasnt really risking anything. Dont ask yourself why would he do it for only 0.1 and such things, scammers can scam you even for 0.01 if they can.

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Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

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I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

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Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

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Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

Let's not turn this into another Vod/Quickseller hate thread. This is an ndnhc hate thread. Stay on topic plz.

This is on-topic. As another new account who wants ndnhc reputation destroyed, you must be annoyed that there are people who see beyond obvious framing?
Stop hiding behind alts and post from your main account.
Anyways, doubt people here hate Vod or QS, but just are saying that a lot of us think they're wrong on this one.

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I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

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Quote from: shulio on May 29, 2015, 08:12:00 AM

Quote from: SOAD on May 29, 2015, 08:05:28 AM

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

You should check on carra's post. Ndnhc has informed carra that he will be back soon, perhaps he is doing something at the moment or is busy to handle the forum. He was away for atleast 3 weeks before due to some matter in the real world. It is not yet proven that he tried to extort, we will need to listen from his part

Not sure what any of that has to do with what I said but I'm already aware of that:

Quote from: SOAD on May 28, 2015, 11:42:28 AM

I think even before this accusation he was missing. The campaign he is running has even been temporarily taken over by someone else but will be back according to them. See the dadice thread and post by cara.

Quote from: Quickseller on May 29, 2015, 08:18:36 AM

Quote from: SOAD on May 29, 2015, 08:05:28 AM

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

If he is guilty, hopefully he will be honest about it and come clean and not pull a candystripes and go around creating a bunch of threads accusing me of "stealing his reputation".

I would like to hope that he would have the morals to simply come clean when he is caught and not try to weasel his way out of responsibility. It is obviously much more complicated if he was in fact being framed.

Yeah right. That's not going to happen. Why admit and confirm something that is up in the air currently and ruin his rep in the process when he can just take advantage of the doubt and circumstantial evidence and deny it. He's not going to let his rep and money he earns from running the signature campaign be ruined if he can help it (assuming he was guilty which I'm not so sure he is).

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Quote from: SOAD on May 29, 2015, 08:05:28 AM

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

If he is guilty, hopefully he will be honest about it and come clean and not pull a candystripes and go around creating a bunch of threads accusing me of "stealing his reputation".

I would like to hope that he would have the morals to simply come clean when he is caught and not try to weasel his way out of responsibility. It is obviously much more complicated if he was in fact being framed.

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Quote from: SOAD on May 29, 2015, 08:05:28 AM

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

You should check on carra's post. Ndnhc has informed carra that he will be back soon, perhaps he is doing something at the moment or is busy to handle the forum. He was away for atleast 3 weeks before due to some matter in the real world. It is not yet proven that he tried to extort, we will need to listen from his part

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on May 29, 2015, 07:58:29 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 29, 2015, 07:52:50 AM

Also, another address of ndnhc did have a 0/unconfirmed transaction associated with it late last night which would imply that ndnhc had Internet access and was conducting some kind of Bitcoin related business.

Can you throw me the transaction hash for that? I'd like to be able to see that - I'm guessing you mean that there was outgoing transaction on ndnhc's part and not that someone just happened to have paid one of his addresses, right?

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It looks like my conclusion is likely incorrect about him being online. It appears that it was broadcast around 1:30PM UTC on the 27th but took almost two days to confirm for some reason.

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Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

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