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Quote from: hilariousandco on May 30, 2015, 10:50:55 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on May 30, 2015, 10:36:45 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 10:19:14 AM

Everything is possible here in the forum, who knows? Maybe he forgot to 'own' that address and posted it or maybe forgot to have signed the TX with those 2 addresses. A control of the IP by the staff will help, but I don't think they will moderate the 'scam accusations'.

The real question is; if you create an account solely to extort people for money, would you (of 4 posts) make 3 scam related posts, and one conveniently placed post with your addy?
Not a chance; this is framing 101

BTW staff not moderating trust and scams is what gives scammers here what they need to create this kind of confusion. It's a bloody shame.
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You can't blame it on staff policy. The policy is there because staff could get a decision wrong too (not to mention we don't have time to get involved with everybodies issues). Staff involvement could also prove inconclusive. Whoever tried the extortion whether it be ndnhc or someone else could have just used tor or another proxy. It would only be clear cut if they used a computer/connection or an account linked to someone else but they very likely didn't. Maybe you could ask BadBear if there's any links to him or someone else but like I said it'll still likely be inconclusive.

I feel the staff can help with the trust ratings and all in some way. It just has to be sorted out . And in some cases decisions can be taken without much consideration , for example https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ume-sent-a-message-for-begging-before-selling-me-this-account-1073373

The guy who actually did the message is still sitting without a negative rep, and whereas I still have it. And in case like this the guy TBZ doesn't even care to negative trust the person responsible. He just gave me the negative trust , even when all the proof has been posted.

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Quote from: ajareselde on May 30, 2015, 10:36:45 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 10:19:14 AM

Everything is possible here in the forum, who knows? Maybe he forgot to 'own' that address and posted it or maybe forgot to have signed the TX with those 2 addresses. A control of the IP by the staff will help, but I don't think they will moderate the 'scam accusations'.

The real question is; if you create an account solely to extort people for money, would you (of 4 posts) make 3 scam related posts, and one conveniently placed post with your addy?
Not a chance; this is framing 101

BTW staff not moderating trust and scams is what gives scammers here what they need to create this kind of confusion. It's a bloody shame.
cheers

You can't blame it on staff policy. The policy is there because staff could get a decision wrong too (not to mention we don't have time to get involved with everybodies issues). Staff involvement could also prove inconclusive. Whoever tried the extortion whether it be ndnhc or someone else could have just used tor or another proxy. It would only be clear cut if they used a computer/connection or an account linked to someone else but they very likely didn't. Maybe you could ask BadBear if there's any links to him or someone else but like I said it'll still likely be inconclusive.

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 10:19:14 AM

Everything is possible here in the forum, who knows? Maybe he forgot to 'own' that address and posted it or maybe forgot to have signed the TX with those 2 addresses. A control of the IP by the staff will help, but I don't think they will moderate the 'scam accusations'.

The real question is; if you create an account solely to extort people for money, would you (of 4 posts) make 3 scam related posts, and one conveniently placed post with your addy?
Not a chance; this is framing 101

BTW staff not moderating trust and scams is what gives scammers here what they need to create this kind of confusion. It's a bloody shame.
cheers

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 30, 2015, 09:50:39 AM

So can we confirm ndnhc has been cleared?

No, because it isn't confirmed.

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I knew it, no way is he somebody that'd try to get involved in something like this.

Why not?

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ndnhc is a trusted member of the community,

Trusted by who? Trusted to run a signature campaign? I neither trust him or distrust him. Do you know him personally?

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what it does show is that people on this site will go to any lengths to try & ruin somebody through revenge, jealousy or whatever other reason.

Evidence? I think people are being biased here which goes both ways. It's probably a tricky thing to say without doubt either way whether he was involved or not.

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The market place section should just be removed & nobody do business with each other.
That way there would be no scamming & nobody trying to fuck other members.
Do your trading on exchanges not here.

That wouldn't stop scams or scammers or people trying to frame each other.

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Quote from: ajareselde on May 30, 2015, 10:12:07 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 08:15:14 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 30, 2015, 08:10:36 AM

Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Because i answered to carra23, who manages the campaign for the moment. Suggesting that he could have an interest in taking it over completely. Since i dont think he is that kind of person, i wrote it as a joke. Tongue

You mention marcotheminer... i know he attacked the dadice campaign often. Though it never were bloody attacks. More friendly fights between both campaign runners.

Anyway... the change 1 to I is suspicious. And i hope ndnhc comes up with an explaination soon.

'He' was also unlucky , 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97YyIXAuE doesn't exist ... so when ndnhc will come he should give a full explanation of why that TX (https://blockchain.info/tx/7ae108de4b2287bd3ba2c8a9a436c524456f9a7e4373a61eff58f18f783522db) was signed by both address.

There is no question about it, both of those addresses belong to him, but the extortion address was different and unrelated to ndnhc. Only when extortion failed, that person
"accidentlly" placed ndnhc's associated address. And in the stupid 1-in-a-thousand chance giveaway..
I believe the best way to deal with this is for staff to examine the IP's used to prove was that indeed ndnhc or not.

If the IP used was tor or VPN address, then think about it; scammer masked IP, opened a new account, went through all that trouble , but was so dumb to use his old addy? c'mon
I cant believe there is anyone sane here who believes that.

Everything is possible here in the forum, who knows? Maybe he forgot to 'own' that address and posted it or maybe forgot to have signed the TX with those 2 addresses. A control of the IP by the staff will help, but I don't think they will moderate the 'scam accusations'.

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 08:15:14 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 30, 2015, 08:10:36 AM

Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Because i answered to carra23, who manages the campaign for the moment. Suggesting that he could have an interest in taking it over completely. Since i dont think he is that kind of person, i wrote it as a joke. Tongue

You mention marcotheminer... i know he attacked the dadice campaign often. Though it never were bloody attacks. More friendly fights between both campaign runners.

Anyway... the change 1 to I is suspicious. And i hope ndnhc comes up with an explaination soon.

'He' was also unlucky , 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97YyIXAuE doesn't exist ... so when ndnhc will come he should give a full explanation of why that TX (https://blockchain.info/tx/7ae108de4b2287bd3ba2c8a9a436c524456f9a7e4373a61eff58f18f783522db) was signed by both address.

There is no question about it, both of those addresses belong to him, but the extortion address was different and unrelated to ndnhc. Only when extortion failed, that person
"accidentlly" placed ndnhc's associated address. And in the stupid 1-in-a-thousand chance giveaway..
I believe the best way to deal with this is for staff to examine the IP's used to prove was that indeed ndnhc or not.

If the IP used was tor or VPN address, then think about it; scammer masked IP, opened a new account, went through all that trouble , but was so dumb to use his old addy? c'mon
I cant believe there is anyone sane here who believes this was indeed ndnhc.

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So can we confirm ndnhc has been cleared?
I knew it, no way is he somebody that'd try to get involved in something like this.
ndnhc is a trusted member of the community, what it does show is that people on this site will go to any lengths to try & ruin somebody through revenge, jealousy or whatever other reason.
The market place section should just be removed & nobody do business with each other.
That way there would be no scamming & nobody trying to fuck other members.
Do your trading on exchanges not here.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 29, 2015, 07:16:00 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 29, 2015, 07:00:31 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/potential-scammer-903908

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

I think his name was eventually cleared in that case. However I believe that I received a PM from ndnhc asking about accepting the witishi account as collateral for a loan and if I would be willing to buy it if the buyer ended up defaulting.

It also appears that the original allegation had changed since the OP was originally posted.

I don't think it is proof however I do think it makes ndnhc look bad.

Actually, it hasn't.
The only thing which has changed is the title.
I did it at ndnhc's request, since he was eventually cleared and this thread was the top result on google when somebody searched for ndnhc.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 30, 2015, 08:10:36 AM

Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Because i answered to carra23, who manages the campaign for the moment. Suggesting that he could have an interest in taking it over completely. Since i dont think he is that kind of person, i wrote it as a joke. Tongue

You mention marcotheminer... i know he attacked the dadice campaign often. Though it never were bloody attacks. More friendly fights between both campaign runners.

Anyway... the change 1 to I is suspicious. And i hope ndnhc comes up with an explaination soon.

'He' was also unlucky , 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97YyIXAuE doesn't exist ... so when ndnhc will come he should give a full explanation of why that TX (https://blockchain.info/tx/7ae108de4b2287bd3ba2c8a9a436c524456f9a7e4373a61eff58f18f783522db) was signed by both address.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 30, 2015, 08:10:36 AM

Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Because i answered to carra23, who manages the campaign for the moment. Suggesting that he could have an interest in taking it over completely. Since i dont think he is that kind of person, i wrote it as a joke. Tongue

Yeah, I've talked to Carra on Skype and I can say with 100% certainty he definitely has nothing to do with this. As he said prior he thinks that ndnhc might have been framed, and I don't think someone who framed ndnhc would then try to persuade people he was framed. Unless this is some really clever reverse psychology... Wink

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Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 29, 2015, 10:35:44 AM

Quote from: Carra23 on May 29, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign. Tongue

/joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Because i answered to carra23, who manages the campaign for the moment. Suggesting that he could have an interest in taking it over completely. Since i dont think he is that kind of person, i wrote it as a joke. Tongue

You mention marcotheminer... i know he attacked the dadice campaign often. Though it never were bloody attacks. More friendly fights between both campaign runners.

Anyway... the change 1 to I is suspicious. And i hope ndnhc comes up with an explaination soon.

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Quote from: GhanaGamboy on May 30, 2015, 03:38:40 AM

Why the joking?

Out of everyone in this thread you are the closest to what has happened imho. My theory who is the one person missing who is loving this scenario?
marcotheminer and he would have known jocas alts because joca was in his campaign add to the mix not liking ndnhc and constantly trying to troll his signature thread.

Failing that he resorted to plan b which we get to witness.

He added dadice on skype recently around the same time who has made public marco trying to talk him into letting him take over from ndnhc. He is also sly. I could create a new account plant marcos address everywhere and claim responsibility would that be good for you?
It was good enough before. I feel ashamed of this place with the control a few have over the many.

EDIT: In bold in case it wasn't clear, I have no intention of doing that just want to hear an answer from default what they would do. How does ndnhc member prove it was not him and it was a case as above?

That bolded part; as i said that few times already; that is definitely the most probable scenario what happened to ndnhc. As for the rest of what ure insinuating, i guess time will tell,
there are many people that probably wanted this to happen. Just look at the timing, this happened just when ndnch is absent .

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 30, 2015, 06:50:51 AM

Does anybody have his contact? If so, please contact him and tell to reply. It will only take a few minutes for him to reply.

Someone said that he has internet issues. Last loging is 27th , so he may have seen this already.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on May 30, 2015, 04:45:29 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 30, 2015, 04:19:48 AM

Forum search is disabled. So I am lazy to find that post.

You can use "site:bitcointalk.org" before any Google queries you make in order to make it function as if you were using the forum search function built into SMF (the forum software). It might not work as well but you can usually find what you're looking for using the site modifier. Just a little tip.

I use it but it is not useful as forum search, at least to me.

Quote from: DiamondCardz on May 30, 2015, 04:45:29 AM

Back on-topic: Sigh, I just want to see ndnhc's response. The entire ordeal is quite confusing and now we have a bunch of theories popping up.

Does anybody have his contact? If so, please contact him and tell to reply. It will only take a few minutes for him to reply.

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Quote from: sgk on May 30, 2015, 04:57:26 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 27, 2015, 05:30:41 PM

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ndnh-146601

In this thread, the user question2 made good on an extortion threat of outing Joca97 for evading a ban and replying to his own posts. The extortion threat was that if Joca97 did not send .1 BTC to an address that 'question 2' specified then he would make the above information public.

This post contains a screen shot of the PM's sent from 'question 2' that was attempting to extort Joca97. Below is a link to a screen shot of such PM's:

http://i.imgur.com/w5lpTUx.png

In this post (archive - reply 638) 'question 2' posted the address 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE

Quote from: question2 on May 27, 2015, 04:44:49 PM

Nice to see Dadice helping a cause here

My prediction : 5th June
12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE

TXID 7ae108de4b2287bd3ba2c8a9a436c524456f9a7e4373a61eff58f18f783522db was signed by both 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE and 1GjMtZop3K6JZW7emBWXC11ZhdQ1xEJwpm

The address 1GjMtZop3K6JZW7emBWXC11ZhdQ1xEJwpm was posted by ndnhc, among other places, here (archive - OP).

Interestingly, after you started this thread, the user 'question 2' edited his post you quoted above and modified the BTC address.

The address quoted in the post above is:
12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE

But if you look at the post in question now, the address is:
12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97YyIXAuE

Notice that he has changed "1" to "I"
He edited his post around 4 hours after you posted this thread. He probably noticed he was caught and tried to create a defence by editing the post but failed badly.

That is another suspicious thing and in this case the situation is more aggravated.

Quote from: Twipple on May 30, 2015, 05:04:29 AM

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The reason is that
1. Quickseller assumes and is assured of me being an alt of a scammer, so in a way he considers me to be a scammer.
2. He saw the address I posted many days back. But if he knew it was ndhnc's , he didn't bother posting about it till yesterday. In the normal scenario he is pretty quick on posting like this one, so I don't see any reason why he didn't post it a few days back . I feel he wanted to get rid of my requests to have negative trust removed , so he planted question2 posting that address. I have seen only QS doing such kind of research into every user.

But there is also another possibility :

Quote from: ajareselde on May 29, 2015, 03:22:14 PM

Fact is that he was too good of a btctalk member to try to scam, let alone for pocket change.
Anyone who thinks that extortionist created a new account to blackmail, and didnt bother to use newly generated address for dumb giveaway is not thinking straight.
I rest this case, seams that people want to blame no matter how dumb it seams.

ndhnc did manage the campaign. There is no one else who would research into alts of Joca, unless they have some sort of grudge against him, or have looked into his posting history, which probably ndhnc could do as he is known to check history of posters .

The unique right thing we can do is : wait a reply from ndnhc but the blockchain transaction signed by those 2 address cannot be disputed (in no way).

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 27, 2015, 05:30:41 PM

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ndnh-146601

In this thread, the user question2 made good on an extortion threat of outing Joca97 for evading a ban and replying to his own posts. The extortion threat was that if Joca97 did not send .1 BTC to an address that 'question 2' specified then he would make the above information public.

This post contains a screen shot of the PM's sent from 'question 2' that was attempting to extort Joca97. Below is a link to a screen shot of such PM's:

http://i.imgur.com/w5lpTUx.png

In this post (archive - reply 638) 'question 2' posted the address 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE

Quote from: question2 on May 27, 2015, 04:44:49 PM

Nice to see Dadice helping a cause here

My prediction : 5th June
12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE

TXID 7ae108de4b2287bd3ba2c8a9a436c524456f9a7e4373a61eff58f18f783522db was signed by both 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE and 1GjMtZop3K6JZW7emBWXC11ZhdQ1xEJwpm

The address 1GjMtZop3K6JZW7emBWXC11ZhdQ1xEJwpm was posted by ndnhc, among other places, here (archive - OP).

Interestingly, after you started this thread, the user 'question 2' edited his post you quoted above and modified the BTC address.

The address quoted in the post above is:
12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE

But if you look at the post in question now, the address is:
12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97YyIXAuE

Notice that he has changed "1" to "I"
He edited his post around 4 hours after you posted this thread. He probably noticed he was caught and tried to create a defence by editing the post but failed badly.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 30, 2015, 04:19:48 AM

Forum search is disabled. So I am lazy to find that post.

You can use "site:bitcointalk.org" before any Google queries you make in order to make it function as if you were using the forum search function built into SMF (the forum software). It might not work as well but you can usually find what you're looking for using the site modifier. Just a little tip.

Back on-topic: Sigh, I just want to see ndnhc's response. The entire ordeal is quite confusing and now we have a bunch of theories popping up.

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 04:02:11 AM

Woow , nice catch Quickseller. Well done, I have randomly noticed the ndnhc's trust when I have opened the dadice signature campaign's thread.... I never thought he was an extortionist so dishonest person. Now everything it is clear, and I remember his initial topics in the gambling section ... really suspicious.

I have also seen he never replied to this thread, and I cannot verify if he was banned (but I do not think he was banned). Can someone through a PM, give me more information? Thanks.

Forum search is disabled. So I am lazy to find that post.

Quote from: shulio on May 29, 2015, 08:12:00 AM

You should check on carra's post. Ndnhc has informed carra that he will be back soon, perhaps he is doing something at the moment or is busy to handle the forum. He was away for atleast 3 weeks before due to some matter in the real world. It is not yet proven that he tried to extort, we will need to listen from his part

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Woow , nice catch Quickseller. Well done, I have randomly noticed the ndnhc's trust when I have opened the dadice signature campaign's thread.... I never thought he was an extortionist so dishonest person. Now everything it is clear, and I remember his initial topics in the gambling section ... really suspicious.

I have also seen he never replied to this thread, and I cannot verify if he was banned (but I do not think he was banned). Can someone through a PM, give me more information? Thanks.

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You miss the point, as the account had a scammer tag the default members will check recent posts and as soon as an address is found try and link it. "add the address everywhere" was of course hypothetical and to open the mind how easy that would be. The trust system is screwed up. So to sum it up any scammer can post a legit member of the forums address and it is very likely that the legit member will have to deal with this and deal with an account worked on for 123 years ruined in red because how do you prove it? Isn't that a wonderful place Cheesy

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