Topic: Need Your Support or Opposition (Read 245 times)

Hello owlcatz,

Thanks for giving your explanation, I respect every explained support or opposition. Mind you, I trade while on screen, which does not give me stop loss action;

Secondly, I think you don’t understand the situation that, people you are referring to; I repeat again; who were liquidated got compansated. Not only the people who got stop lossed got paid whole, liquidated did as well; you can see from their words.

What does this mean, who is at right?

I don’t see why you opposed, just see that you believe I don’t care about money, because of that they are not at fault?

Thanks.

No worries - I opposed it because only a person without actual care for their $ would place such a large crazy wager with no loss protection, regardless of any situation, IMO.

Nothing against you personally, but still, people need to use basic common sense when gambling such immense amounts of $.

Cheers and good luck on the endeavour, I do hope you prevail, but I don't see how it will come (yet). :|

I have been denied of getting compansation; which means an act of scam.

indirectly, it's what you mean here


indirectly you're emphasizing on same thing...but nevertheless, it's a suggestion, we can't start reading meanings to everything.

Thanks Zwei for your opinion; I hope I will get compansated as well, because I deserve to like other people did.

I never said Rollbit.com is a scam as a whole. However this is a scam attempt, done by Rollbit.com; not paying me whole as they did to other people. The reason I opened flag is to show them I deserve compansation. Your support would be mean whole; however I see that people all (almost) think I deserve compansation, but don’t support the flag. Anways, I thank you for your opinion.

It's obvious that in this case rollbit is at fault and you people need to be compensated for causing you guys to lose your fund's...my reason to say that they're at fault is that they need to inform people about their Web maintenance so that people will be aware, because what really caused these problems is lack of notification to the site towards their maintenance...but the aspect of thinking that rollbit is a scam, I think is a false information or accusations, because since I know rollbit they have not recorded scam case, just follow them with due process, everything will work out well.

it's misleading to call this "trading". does this look like a trading interface? not to me.
just another form of gambling. lot of gamba websites gamifying trading to just betting on a coin price.




you can think of it however you like, but the fact that you agreed to those ToS, you can't complain that they are unfair later if they follow them.

now, do i think they should refund your trade? yes. considering all the details, that would be the right thing to do, imo.

That's why I came here to ask for support, to show that these casinos cannot dodge responsibility without backlash.

I respect your decision as opposition, but just that they can do whatever they want according to their ToS; and they already compansated players, doesn't all of you turns out to be supporting of my case instead of opposition?

Regards.

DaveF,

I appreciate all your research and findings about my case.
I also appreciate your opposition view as I mentioned before.
It's not my right to ask you to review your decision since you are free to believe who is right or who is wrong.
However as I stated to exemplens, other people were paid because they were liquidated or stop-lossed.
The situation becomes much more complex with this evidence. Any ToS you are referring to is not valid in this case.

I got a rejection on compansation because my bet was not liquidated but it was still live.

Live meaning I was 200 usd close to liquidation which If i didn't cash out would total me 44000 USD loss instead of 39000.

Mind you I was on profit before the maintenance happened and was at 36000 loss when it ended. You can check the timeline.

My asking is to get compansated and treated just like people who got liquidated because I was already almost liquidated at that point with no turning back.

I am no different than a person who got compansated. They are trying to dodge this because of the amount of money.

When I asked them what compansation or reimbursement policies are according to them, I got muted on chat 44000 days.

Please try to put yourself in my shoes before opposing.

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Note to owlcatz; I do not respect your opinion because you didn't give me any explanation on your opposition.

Hello exemplens; I opened 3 threads which makes it a lot more complex, I was in a bad state of mind during the week of the event due to loss of my mother. Everything seems to be more complex, when I look back now. Here is the mail from Rollbit Compliance Team way back, with proof people were paid; unlike DaveF's findings of statements about ToS. If my amount of was no biggie, I would probably be compansated as well, as you can see a 900 usd trade of mine was compansated fully on my original thread.

Mails:




This mail is the predecessor of the final mail I published in My Final Message thread. Just so you all know.

In this way, everything sounds much more complex. You would have to find a case similar to yours, where another user was paid under approximately the same conditions. If there is such a case, then you should state it in your explanations of the reason for the flag.

Hello examplens,

Thanks for your explanation on your view of the case. You are free to be neutral about it. Mind you, why I ask for support or opposition was because I don’t believe them paying the other people and not me is right; and this is considered scam.

Thanks.

Someone pointed out to me that what I posted comes off looking a little like blaming the victim, that is not what I intended.

I was trying to make the point that the T&C are so bad that even if you are 100% right according to the T&C it does not matter. That's not being a victim that is getting into a really bad deal. But, for the most part, it's the only deal out there.

I don't gamble much online, but when I do it's not with ones who are based out of Curaçao. Others are not much better, it's like getting hit with a wooden bat instead of a lead pipe, still going to ruin your day just hopefully not as much.

Personally, and this is just me, I would like to see us as a group stop helping people who are using places with bad rules. Just point out the rules are bad and that there are other better places to gamble and move on.

But same with the trading. You can use Coinbase or Gemini (who have their own set of issues) and know there are people you can call to complain to when you have a problem or you can go to Bob's Crypto Exchange and Used Cars and hope for the best.

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Once again, a bit OT but it makes the point and this is out of my own personal life. No I head about it or I read about it this was me and a couple of friends. Now, the main point is I live in New York. NY has the New York Department Of Financial Services. They regulate banks and other financial services in NY. They have no mercy. If you are a financial institution and screw up they will ruin your day. Now, because of that some banks and other places will not do business here. So.....

Dave and 2 friends were on vacation together. All 3 of us had a credit card compromised at the same location. (Skimmer / chip cloned) all 3 of us got the run around from our banks because it was a somewhat funky way it happened. After 2 weeks of BS I went online, filed a complaint with NYDFS and got a call back from my bank the next day and the case closed in my favor the next day. The other 2 one of which was in New Jersey had to wait and wait and wait and deal with a ton more BS then I did. So, yes I do like my 'heavily regulated, anti-business, state' it makes my life easier.

-Dave

OP, how important is it to you to get the opinion of other DT members, I decided to give neither opposition nor support.
DaveF already explained that Rollbit covered such cases through their TOS, and no matter how cheesy it sounds, in your case, their responsibility does not exist according to their terms of use.
I also cannot oppose, it because I do not support avoiding responsibility in this way, not only from Rollbit.

It is still completely unclear to me, why someone decides to use a gambling platform for trading.

14.1 is vague, but IMO the way I read it it basically says in terms of the website "we are not responsible if we screw up and we are not responsible if you screw up"
20.1 is their total get out of responsibility clause.

I'm not saying giving other people back their money and not you is right.
I'm not saying you should not be angry.

What I am saying to you, and others, is these places all have T&C that are draconian in how they state they have no responsibility for anything, and that they don't have to do anything they don't want to.

At some point in time there is going to have to be a reckoning either we accept it's the wild west and the people running these sites can do what they want.

OR

Laws and regulations and restrictions and other things are going to have to happen and people using these sites are going to have to submit to KYC and other things and the sites will have to have regulators watching over them.

Otherwise things like this are going to keep happening.


Brutally honestly, I have been meaning to post something like this for a while, this AM when I saw your post I did a quick look and saw that yes it's another Curaçao casino.
Want to know the best reason not to use them,  Curaçao is part of the ABC islands.  Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao.

From their T&C 6.1:

Or to put it another way. "We are so scummy we don't want local people using us because they can actually do something about it"

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A bit OT but it makes the point, Native American casinos here in the USA for the most part are on tribal land. Unlike casinos in Nevada or New Jersey or other locations that have the state run agencies that monitor the casinos most Native American casinos are regulated by the tribe, you know the people making the money. Slot machine malfunctions sorry you loose. Dealer miscounts your payout, sorry the payout was correct and so on. There are many many many reports of this in the smaller casinos that make the local news and at times public opinion forces them to make it right. More times then not, the player gets screwed.

If you want to gamble and there is no other option I can see going to one of them. But, you can drive 90 minutes in 1 direction and go to a Native American casino or drive 90 minutes in the other direction and go to a more regulated one then if you go to the tribal one then well if something goes wrong that's on you. It's not a secret and it hurts the legitimate casinos run by tribes.

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Anyway, the point is that the Nevada Gaming Control Board or the NJ Casino Control Commission take away a lot of freedom of what the casinos can do / what they can offer. But, players know that if there is an issue you can go to an external regulating body and hopefully get some satisfaction.

Here with issues like yours and ones others are having, you have no where to go. Sooner or later, something is going to have to give. Be it regulation or just a mass exodus of users to regulated places.

-Dave

Hello Dave,

First of all; I would like to thank you for your time for research and giving your opinion on the matter; not only opposed and didn’t give your opinion like the other DT member did.



What I read here says Rollbit does not guarantee that the website will not operate without faults or error. On the next sentence it says that they do not accept liability for any failures or issues that arise due to yourequipment, internet connection etc….

- It is easily seen that the sentences are seperated from each other and there is no saying that rollbit is not liable in the case on their OWN issues unlike your statement.




Dave, it seems like you haven’t read the part that Rollbit reimbursed everyone who got liquidated and stoplossed during this sudden maintenence. Hence they already know they are at fault. Why did Rollbit compansate these people if you read and understand that they are not liable in an accident caused by theirselves.



I thank you for your research and giving your opinion. However as said, Rollbit compansated people and the flag is opened because I believe I have no difference than those people who got compansated ; just one thing different, my bet was live when the maintenance finished. It was live and 300 usd away from liquidation with me on 36000 USD loss. I don’t think you understand what this flag is about or Rollbit already accepted they are at fault in this maintenance hence these 2 quotes from T&S show nothing for their defense.

Anyways, thanks for actually replying unlike owlcatz.

Opposed.

1) The T&C of the site can more or less be boiled down to "We are not responsible for anything" in terms of outages so they are in the clear for that. I am in an excluded region so I had to jump through some hoops to find it. But: from 14.1


And

from 20.1

2) It's the internet, things can and will go wrong. If you are making trades worth that much money then you have to be prepared for things like this. Even what would be deemed "real" large financial trading sites. Schwab, E*Trade, whoever, all have the same attitude. If you have something open and you loose access to the site be it our fault or your fault and during the outage the trade closes that's on you not us. More or less standard in the trading world.

So with those things in mind, I have to oppose it.

Rollbit can make the OP whole if they want to, but IMO are under no obligation to do so.

-Dave

I have posted this in scam accusations, however after looking; I think this place is a better place to share this hence the Rollbit’s reputation should be questioned after this event that had happened to me.

Here is the accusation threads:

1- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5520613
2- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-this-is-my-final-message-5523265

Here is the Flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356

Support or Oppose;

I need your help against fraud and scam.

Help me raise my voice. Tomorrow it will be you in my place if you don’t.

With love.