Topic: Nefario GLBSE - page 5. (Read 28552 times)
Protected? As in following his TOS with you? That's why there is no scammer tag, which has been explained to you. In public.
Jasinlee on the site and here. ******** is the username.
You only messaged us yesterday.
It had already passed their time frame stated on the site.
24 hours, and before that I emailed you directly on the site and here on the forum I also PMd you.
We have our support terms on GLBSE, which clearly states to get support you email [email protected]
Anyway if you've changed your mind about your IPO, as was clear when applying there is no refund of the application fee.
Here he tries to just deflect, and again tell me oh I am keeping your btc and sucks to be you.
I want the IPO, but based on the companies issues and controversy that is here on the forums, I do not want any part of the company any longer. The fees being changed without warning, the accusations, I don't know who is in the right, but I want no part of it. Its nothing personal, but I think an exception should be made, the services that the site states are available to customers were not provided for the fee I paid. I already liquidated my assets I had on the site, I just want to part ways amicably and not have a accusation fest on the forums like you have going on now with other people.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but the fee is not refundable.
Nefario.
Well now it is getting personal, Nefario you are a either a thief or a extremely terrible businessman.
I guess nefario/glbse has decided to keep my bitcoins and ignore my emails, I hope my bitcoins I sent in for the IPO help you pay for your legal proceedings when the SEC (or their counterparts in your country) hits you up. I want my bitcoins back, but since your response to that request was this crap I quoted. I know this probably means I won't get my bitcoins back. But I think the fact that I emailed your company twice in 6 days after all this other crap I told him and you just ignored it, or your staff did then I have changed my mind and now feel like a scammer tag would be appropriate for you. I doubt you will even respond, but if you do, do not bother saying, oh we did not get your emails or that it was overlooked. When you have a customer who just purchased a service from you, then they have lots of problems before they even get a chance to use your service, you should probably go out of your way to make your customers happy. Apparently you want to singlehandedly tank GLBSE. Congratulations on helping to sink your companies revenues by crapping on all the people who helped your company make money in the first place.
You find nothing wrong with selling a service and then not fully doing it?
I am not sure if this was a reply to me, but I was just curious in how you interpret the GLBSE TOS because on a discussion on the interpretation of contracts listed on GLBSE you seemed to agreed with the statement that things not in the contract can still be done. Things listed in the contract allow for one of the parties to 'reserve the right' to do something, but not necessarily only do things that are listed in the contract. By this interpretation, GLBSE reserves the right to do any and all things in its TOS. There are also implied agreements when using the GLBSE system. No where in the TOS says that GLBSE will list a security after the fee is made, but they do it. By having the authority to list a security, GLBSE also has the authority to remove a security from the exchange.
Anyway, I would also argue that whatever is said in a contract or TOS may not always be the right thing to do. As you may remember with our contract dispute; I took responsibility for my badly written contract and paid out of my own pocket.
In my opinion the right thing to do is to allow the securities to be relisted, allow a buyback of all the securities at whatever value was agreed to, and then remove them after all accounts have been cleared.
This is a decent halfway measure.
There seem to be a lot of us that think it was either prematurely delisted, or shouldn't have been delisted at all. If this is true, relisting sounds best. We can just undo the damage in one move.
You find nothing wrong with selling a service and then not fully doing it?
I am not sure if this was a reply to me, but I was just curious in how you interpret the GLBSE TOS because on a discussion on the interpretation of contracts listed on GLBSE you seemed to agreed with the statement that things not in the contract can still be done. Things listed in the contract allow for one of the parties to 'reserve the right' to do something, but not necessarily only do things that are listed in the contract. By this interpretation, GLBSE reserves the right to do any and all things in its TOS. There are also implied agreements when using the GLBSE system. No where in the TOS says that GLBSE will list a security after the fee is made, but they do it. By having the authority to list a security, GLBSE also has the authority to remove a security from the exchange.
Anyway, I would also argue that whatever is said in a contract or TOS may not always be the right thing to do. As you may remember with our contract dispute; I took responsibility for my badly written contract and paid out of my own pocket.
In my opinion the right thing to do is to allow the securities to be relisted, allow a buyback of all the securities at whatever value was agreed to, and then remove them after all accounts have been cleared.
This is a decent halfway measure.
Hey, thanks for your insightful comments there youngster, but you missed the point because of your cavalier "tl;dr". It is not about an issue with Goat, it is an issue with criminals bringing their criminal acts and executing them on the bitcoin community. I was offering a clarification to MPOE who mis-stated where Goat is located, a point which has significant bearing on the topic of this discussion.
I'm not sure the Thai government's FBA applies to Cambodia, which is where goat's 'sharecropping' endeavor is targeted. As a US citizen (no idea about his Thai immigrant status) that's really between him, the US, and Cambodia.
Chances are if Helen Keller were alive today she would have a conversion program that would read the post to her out load, or convert it to braille, so her "gleaning it" really doesn't do much as analogy.
A) I assume you mean "out loud." if so
B) Helen Keller was deaf as well.
tl;dr You have issues with Goat. You made that point already, though - so much that Helen Keller could have gleaned it from this forum.
Hey, thanks for your insightful comments there youngster, but you missed the point because of your cavalier "tl;dr". It is not about an issue with Goat, it is an issue with criminals bringing their criminal acts and executing them on the bitcoin community. I was offering a clarification to MPOE who mis-stated where Goat is located, a point which has significant bearing on the topic of this discussion.
Interesting that you choose to suck up for Goat so quickly after your defense of usagi and his/her scams with value manipulation. You certainly want to establish a reputation as an apologist for criminal fuck-wits don't you? Or are you just a full time sock puppet scammer-lover who thinks all the bad guys are your boyfriend?
Chances are if Helen Keller were alive today she would have a conversion program that would read the post to her out load, or convert it to braille, so her "gleaning it" really doesn't do much as analogy.
tl;dr I'm a sock-puppet scammer apologist.
And don't talk bad about Goat and usagi - they
If those two were able to convince you in the 34 days since you joined this august company that they are legitimate, and you consider that long ago... well, I hope you are able to get a good price on the GULLIBLE tattoo when they stencil it across your forehead. But? Three posts a day? You go little sock-puppet.
^________^;
tl;dr You have issues with Goat. You made that point already, though - so much that Helen Keller could have gleaned it from this forum.
Hey, thanks for your insightful comments there youngster, but you missed the point because of your cavalier "tl;dr". It is not about an issue with Goat, it is an issue with criminals bringing their criminal acts and executing them on the bitcoin community. I was offering a clarification to MPOE who mis-stated where Goat is located, a point which has significant bearing on the topic of this discussion.
Interesting that you choose to suck up for Goat so quickly after your defense of usagi and his/her scams with value manipulation. You certainly want to establish a reputation as an apologist for criminal fuck-wits don't you? Or are you just a full time sock puppet scammer-lover who thinks all the bad guys are your boyfriend?
Chances are if Helen Keller were alive today she would have a conversion program that would read the post to her out load, or convert it to braille, so her "gleaning it" really doesn't do much as analogy.
tl;dr I'm a sock-puppet scammer apologist.
And don't talk bad about Goat and usagi - they
If those two were able to convince you in the 34 days since you joined this august company that they are legitimate, and you consider that long ago... well, I hope you are able to get a good price on the GULLIBLE tattoo when they stencil it across your forehead. But? Three posts a day? You go little sock-puppet.
tl;dr You have issues with Goat. You made that point already, though - so much that Helen Keller could have gleaned it from this forum.
Hey, thanks for your insightful comments there youngster, but you missed the point because of your cavalier "tl;dr". It is not about an issue with Goat, it is an issue with criminals bringing their criminal acts and executing them on the bitcoin community. I was offering a clarification to MPOE who mis-stated where Goat is located, a point which has significant bearing on the topic of this discussion.
Interesting that you choose to suck up for Goat so quickly after your defense of usagi and his/her scams with value manipulation. You certainly want to establish a reputation as an apologist for criminal fuck-wits don't you? Or are you just a full time sock puppet scammer-lover who thinks all the bad guys are your boyfriend?
Chances are if Helen Keller were alive today she would have a conversion program that would read the post to her out load, or convert it to braille, so her "gleaning it" really doesn't do much as analogy.
tl;dr I'm a sock-puppet scammer apologist.
And don't talk bad about Goat and usagi - they
tl;dr You have issues with Goat. You made that point already, though - so much that Helen Keller could have gleaned it from this forum.
Hey, thanks for your insightful comments there youngster, but you missed the point because of your cavalier "tl;dr". It is not about an issue with Goat, it is an issue with criminals bringing their criminal acts and executing them on the bitcoin community. I was offering a clarification to MPOE who mis-stated where Goat is located, a point which has significant bearing on the topic of this discussion.
Interesting that you choose to suck up for Goat so quickly after your defense of usagi and his/her scams with value manipulation. You certainly want to establish a reputation as an apologist for criminal fuck-wits don't you? Or are you just a full time sock puppet scammer-lover who thinks all the bad guys are your boyfriend?
Chances are if Helen Keller were alive today she would have a conversion program that would read the post to her out load, or convert it to braille, so her "gleaning it" really doesn't do much as analogy.
Unless the SEC is now operating out of Viet-Nam I find it rather incredible that goat's being investigated. Were you thinking GLBBQ?
And if indeed pirate is rolling over and giving up his partners in the BS&T scam, then Goat has a lot to be worried about. He has consistently been the loudest and most active voice in support of pirate and the ponzi which pirate operated. He has personally transferred significant amounts of value to pirate directly as a result of these activities, and is being actively investigated as a part of the greater pirate BS&T investigation. Where Goat might want to consider a non-extradition country to move to, is the fact that the SEC will also be forwarding their investigation to other agencies within the US government. The DEA will be very interested in any sort of money laundering activity that was happening near the Golden Triangle, and Goat has openly admitted that he travels across borders with ease to visit remote areas of Laos and Cambodia. American entrepreneurs who travel with that profile typically only do so for a very limited number of reasons, none of which have anything to do with rice farming, gem collecting or bitcoins.
You find nothing wrong with selling a service and then not fully doing it?
Depends entirely on the nature of the service contracted for, which in this case you are unsure of what you have purchased. You have an obligation to yourself, and to those who have invested in your projects to understand completely the venue in which you are offering that investment. Whether by your own inattention to the rules, your inability to stay abreast of changes in the terms, or your own ill-considered attack on the market you have failed in your responsibility to your investors and have not maintained even the most basic level of integrity in offering a service.
How is your ill-informed and half-cocked approach to running a business deserving of special consideration that you should be permitted to be completely irresponsible and still enjoy access to the marketplace? The service of the GLBSE is to provide a marketplace, NOT to insure you a certian level of profit, NOT to offer you endless access to victims for your piss-poor business practices, NOT to cover for your errors in judgement, ethics, or simple basic business procedure, and most assuredly NOT a place of refuge for somebody who is actively being investigated by the SEC for fraudulently offering investment schemes.
"Not fully doing it" is not based on your fantasies of allowing you to run roughshod over every measure of business ethics and honest trade. Your practices have caught up with you, and you are beginning to see the collapse and investigation phase of your demise. Get used to it, it will get a lot uglier for you here, and your pathetic cries of injustice are falling on deaf ears here. Especially given that you are screaming in the wrong place- THIS IS NOT GLBSE. Although there is significant overlap in user bases, THIS IS NOT GLBSE. Take your issues over to GLBSE and see what happens. Here you are just another scammer trying to screw a few more pennies out of everyone, after you have had the door slammed in your face.
Too bad for you little scammer boy.
Unless the SEC is now operating out of Viet-Nam I find it rather incredible that goat's being investigated. Were you thinking GLBBQ?
You find nothing wrong with selling a service and then not fully doing it?
I am not sure if this was a reply to me, but I was just curious in how you interpret the GLBSE TOS because on a discussion on the interpretation of contracts listed on GLBSE you seemed to agreed with the statement that things not in the contract can still be done. Things listed in the contract allow for one of the parties to 'reserve the right' to do something, but not necessarily only do things that are listed in the contract. By this interpretation, GLBSE reserves the right to do any and all things in its TOS. There are also implied agreements when using the GLBSE system. No where in the TOS says that GLBSE will list a security after the fee is made, but they do it. By having the authority to list a security, GLBSE also has the authority to remove a security from the exchange.
Anyway, I would also argue that whatever is said in a contract or TOS may not always be the right thing to do. As you may remember with our contract dispute; I took responsibility for my badly written contract and paid out of my own pocket.
In my opinion the right thing to do is to allow the securities to be relisted, allow a buyback of all the securities at whatever value was agreed to, and then remove them after all accounts have been cleared.
Well, wasn't Nefario proposing that everything not specifically stated in the contract will be construed by a public vote? Or was that about something else.
You find nothing wrong with selling a service and then not fully doing it?
I am not sure if this was a reply to me, but I was just curious in how you interpret the GLBSE TOS because on a discussion on the interpretation of contracts listed on GLBSE you seemed to agreed with the statement that things not in the contract can still be done. Things listed in the contract allow for one of the parties to 'reserve the right' to do something, but not necessarily only do things that are listed in the contract. By this interpretation, GLBSE reserves the right to do any and all things in its TOS. There are also implied agreements when using the GLBSE system. No where in the TOS says that GLBSE will list a security after the fee is made, but they do it. By having the authority to list a security, GLBSE also has the authority to remove a security from the exchange.
Anyway, I would also argue that whatever is said in a contract or TOS may not always be the right thing to do. As you may remember with our contract dispute; I took responsibility for my badly written contract and paid out of my own pocket.
In my opinion the right thing to do is to allow the securities to be relisted, allow a buyback of all the securities at whatever value was agreed to, and then remove them after all accounts have been cleared.
You find nothing wrong with selling a service and then not fully doing it?
Depends entirely on the nature of the service contracted for, which in this case you are unsure of what you have purchased. You have an obligation to yourself, and to those who have invested in your projects to understand completely the venue in which you are offering that investment. Whether by your own inattention to the rules, your inability to stay abreast of changes in the terms, or your own ill-considered attack on the market you have failed in your responsibility to your investors and have not maintained even the most basic level of integrity in offering a service.
How is your ill-informed and half-cocked approach to running a business deserving of special consideration that you should be permitted to be completely irresponsible and still enjoy access to the marketplace? The service of the GLBSE is to provide a marketplace, NOT to insure you a certian level of profit, NOT to offer you endless access to victims for your piss-poor business practices, NOT to cover for your errors in judgement, ethics, or simple basic business procedure, and most assuredly NOT a place of refuge for somebody who is actively being investigated by the SEC for fraudulently offering investment schemes.
"Not fully doing it" is not based on your fantasies of allowing you to run roughshod over every measure of business ethics and honest trade. Your practices have caught up with you, and you are beginning to see the collapse and investigation phase of your demise. Get used to it, it will get a lot uglier for you here, and your pathetic cries of injustice are falling on deaf ears here. Especially given that you are screaming in the wrong place- THIS IS NOT GLBSE. Although there is significant overlap in user bases, THIS IS NOT GLBSE. Take your issues over to GLBSE and see what happens. Here you are just another scammer trying to screw a few more pennies out of everyone, after you have had the door slammed in your face.
Too bad for you little scammer boy.
Oddly enough, you are in the wrong place to make those demands. GLBSE has a forum, and ownership, and means of communication. If you feel you have a claim to make, why not make it with those involved instead of airing your dirty laundry here, where nobody who can do a thing for you gives a damn?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
As you know the ToS was changed more than half a dozen times since I started. But in none of the version I did anything that called for a delisting. Deal with it buddy... The reason why Nefario is not saying why he did it is because he will be admitting he is a scammer...
If you take advice from a lawyer does that make you a scammer ?
I think it is more than fair to give me the refund or to explain why I can't get one...
It would be like Theymos just taking away my VIP on the forum with out telling me why. He would need to say what I did wrong or give me a refund. Maybe even both...
Nefario sold me a service he is not providing. That is without a doubt scamming.
So if it is not specifically in GLBSE TOS then GLBSE cannot do it?
Oddly enough, you are in the wrong place to make those demands. GLBSE has a forum, and ownership, and means of communication. If you feel you have a claim to make, why not make it with those involved instead of airing your dirty laundry here, where nobody who can do a thing for you gives a damn?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
As you know the ToS was changed more than half a dozen times since I started. But in none of the version I did anything that called for a delisting. Deal with it buddy... The reason why Nefario is not saying why he did it is because he will be admitting he is a scammer...
If you take advice from a lawyer does that make you a scammer ?
Oddly enough, you are in the wrong place to make those demands. GLBSE has a forum, and ownership, and means of communication. If you feel you have a claim to make, why not make it with those involved instead of airing your dirty laundry here, where nobody who can do a thing for you gives a damn?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
As you know the ToS was changed more than half a dozen times since I started. But in none of the version I did anything that called for a delisting. Deal with it buddy... The reason why Nefario is not saying why he did it is because he will be admitting he is a scammer...
Oddly enough, you are in the wrong place to make those demands. GLBSE has a forum, and ownership, and means of communication. If you feel you have a claim to make, why not make it with those involved instead of airing your dirty laundry here, where nobody who can do a thing for you gives a damn?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
And are you really admitting that you started several assets, offered them for sale, managed them to varying levels of success and failure and did all of this WITHOUT AN AWARENESS OF THE TERMS OF SERVICE? Is that responsible business operation in your opinion? Seriously Goat, isn't understanding what you are offering and where you are offering it sort of basic step number one?
I expect that Goatse is pretty busy these days dealing with an SEC investigation, and doesn't really have time to manage his other little scams like this particular complaint.
That's strange, didn't they go on the record that it's FSA?
I expect that Goatse is pretty busy these days dealing with an SEC investigation, and doesn't really have time to manage his other little scams like this particular complaint.
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