Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 280. (Read 661499 times)

dgex_victim's comment

I'm saying utopianfuture trivialised rape by using it as an analogy to try and avoid confronting the fact that he was accepting of sockpuppets in January, and now he wants to weed them out. There is an indisputable period when UP's quotes support sockpuppet accounts in NEM.

That is trivialising rape IMO, and his analogy is weak, and not very well thought out. It doesn't support his use of retrospective rule changes. Obviously DNA testing in rape cases IS good, and EVERYONE has always been for catching rapists. The point is using UP's chosen analogy of sockpuppets are like rapists, I can say so when UP said supportive things accepting sockpuppets IS LIKE utopianfuture saying supportive accepting things of rapists, prior to DNA testing. Obviously ridiculous, just like UP's use of it below.

"That's one measure. Unfortunately for you, we do have some more new measures such as taint analysis + activity analysis to detect people with many accounts. I would consider applying them retrospectively is similar to applying DNA testing to samples from raping cases occurred before the invention of DNA testing. In both instances, they are quite useful, don't you think ?   "

The obvious weakness in UP's analogy is the police have always been against rape, even when they didn't have DNA testing, but UP was accepting of sockpuppets up until the point someone told him about taint analysis.

UP trivialised rape by trying to use it's obvious emotive power to throw people - sockpuppets are like rapists - weak argument to the point of trivialising rape.

The use of a very weak and intellectually poor analogy, and that's why IMO he trivialised rape.

edit: I know full well UP is against rape. I don't like his use of the analogy as a smoke screen.

No long quotes and shouting? How refreshing ?

UP chose to use the catching sockpuppets with DNA testing retrospectively is like catching sockpuppets retrospectively. Obvious difference is the cops were always trying to catch rapists BEFORE DNA testing. Utopianfuture's quotes from january show he accepted sockpuppets, and even defended their 'work ethic'. His quotes! Bad to use rape in his argument I would say. See below

"Furthermore, it takes time to rape someone. It takes time to stalk the victim and hold them down ... That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes."

That's your chosen analogy - catching sockpuppets is like catching rapists.

Utopianfuture was on the side of the 'rapists/sockpuppets' back in January.

My agenda - I don't like 'spin'!

My agenda - I don't like 'spin'!

Again what is your agenda, i hope you are not the same person who wanted a refund before the ipo for not seeing the whitepaper .

Again what is your agenda, i hope you are not the same person who wanted a refund before the ipo for not seeing the whitepaper .

Yes, In the beginning utopianfuture argued in support of sockpuppets. I know I said I was done with this, but utopianfuture's use of the "rape" analogy is really quite sleazy.

This argument that taint analysis is like DNA testing, so now we can catch rapists analogy is ridiculous, and offensive too.

If he wants to compare sockpuppets with rapists, then how does he explain the post below? Using UP's own chosen analogy he's basically saying "if a guy goes to the trouble of stalking a woman, holding her down, then raping her, then he went to a lot of trouble so he deserves to have sex because he put in a lot of effort"

What a ridiculous and dangerous analogy you choose to use!!

Using your chosen analogy, this is what you were saying back on 22 January.

"Furthermore, it takes time to rape someone. It takes time to stalk the victim and hold them down ... That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes."

That's your chosen analogy - catching sockpuppets is like catching rapists.

Utopianfuture was on the side of the 'rapists/sockpuppets' back in January.

Read what utopianfuture wrote.


Shame on you utopianfuture! Rape should not be trivialised!

That's one measure. Unfortunately for you, we do have some more new measures such as taint analysis + activity analysis to detect people with many accounts. I would consider applying them retrospectively is similar to applying DNA testing to samples from raping cases occurred before the invention of DNA testing. In both instances, they are quite useful, don't you think ?  

Yes, In the beginning utopianfuture argued in support of sockpuppets. I know I said I was done with this, but utopianfuture's use of the "rape" analogy is really quite sleazy.

This argument that taint analysis is like DNA testing, so now we can catch rapists analogy is ridiculous, and offensive too.

If he wants to compare sockpuppets with rapists, then how does he explain the post below? Using UP's own chosen analogy he's basically saying "if a guy goes to the trouble of stalking a woman, holding her down, then raping her, then he went to a lot of trouble so he deserves to have sex because he put in a lot of effort"

What a ridiculous and dangerous analogy you choose to use!!

Using your chosen analogy, this is what you were saying back on 22 January.

"Furthermore, it takes time to rape someone. It takes time to stalk the victim and hold them down ... That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes."

That's your chosen analogy - catching sockpuppets is like catching rapists.

Read what utopianfuture wrote.


Shame on you utopianfuture! Rape should not be trivialised!

PoW= Mining
PoS= Forging
PoI= Foraging
or
PoI= Guarding

NXT chose to use the word forging in the metallurgical sense, unfortunately the general public views it with a criminal connotation.
I like the idea of having a new name for POI, but from a marketing perspective foraging is not much better.

I looked-up foraging in Merriam-Webster and several other dictionaries.

Definition of Forage.
1: Food for animals especially when taken by browsing or grazing. Grasses and other plants that are eaten by animals (such as cows).
2: Search for provisions. To wander in search of forage or food, browse, graze, pasture, rustle.

Agriculture and animal husbandry? Does this sound like NEM?

Foraging has a lot of associations and many are negative:
browsing, collecting, combing, eat, explore, feed, ferret, fodder, gathering, graze, harvesting, hunt, looking for, nibble, nose around, peeking,
peering, pilfer, plunder, probing, prying, raid, ransack, ravage, rifling, root about, rummage around, rummaging, scavenge, scouring, scrounge,
searching, seeking, sifting.

"I am mining bitcoin." or "I mine bitcoin." or "We are mining bitcoin." Sounds fine. 
"I am forging NXT." or "I forge NXT." or "We are forging NXT."  Sounds like we are coping NXT illegally.
"I am foraging NEM." or I forage NEM." or "We are foraging NEM." Makes us sound like we are cows foraging in the pasture.
"I am guarding NEM." or I guard NEM." or "We are guarding NEM." Sounds slightly better.   

Foraging implies searching and collecting.
If you are a forager for NEM you are randomly, willy-nilly searching and collecting NEM.

A guard protects and gets paid.
If you are a guard for NEM you are protecting the NEM network and can get compensated with the transaction fee.
NEM soldiers guarding the NEM network.

Also the pronunciation of foraging is too silmilar to forging, some people will find it confusing when they hear it.
The forging mechanism in NEM needs to have it's own term for PoI. Guarding is a better description, but we need to think more about this and
come up with the perfect name.

sorry patmast3r, I did notice the "typo" and thought it was a joke or typo. I like reading your posts, it's just my logomisia.
 

All of the updates are on page one. The last update was on March 12, I believe. Nem won't be ready until around June, so don't worry, the distribution of the coins hasn't started yet.