Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 282. (Read 661499 times)

No ETA on updated to the dev plan but I'm not sure there'll be one because I don't think it's necessary. Alpha is due sometime in april (If I remember correctly) and there'll be a whitepaper for POI.
Something specific that you'd like to be updated on ?

Well I said If all goes well there'll be an announcement . Unfortunately we couldn't finish everything that's needed for that announcement so I think UP said it'll be next week or even during this week.

when will an alpha version be released?

I'll sell mine for 10 billion BTC and your first-born child

Shamefully bumping this. Also, did I read somewhere that there'll be an update regarding the size of the development stakes etc. this weekend?

So, does anybody selling accounts? I'd like to buy one if it's permitted. I have only one stake for myself, so having another would be sort of fair distribution.

J23a,

There it is.  THOSE  are Utopianfuture's words. So by being worried about Utopianfuture's threat I am now accused of being a sock puppet ?

patmast3r, thanks for not dismissing me as a simple troll deserving of insults and nothing else! I agree with nearly everything you say, and I can obviously see that NEM is trying to be fair, and I appreciate utopianfuture's efforts.

Thanks also for the offer to continue this discussion elsewhere, but I've had my say, and I'm over the sockpuppet issue.

I will say that the original NEM post was edited & changed so many times, so when exactly the 'disclaimer' was included I'm not sure. I do know it wasn't there in the original post, and my belief is it was included sometime between the 26th & 29th  of January.


I believe UP started to appreciate the sockpuppet problem when he wrote this on 26 Jan



And he probably added the 'disclaimer' around the time he made this post on 29 Jan.



The line "Please check the front page because a counter- sockpuppet measure has been introduced." does indicate that UP changed the first post on 29 Jan, so that's when I think the disclaimer was included

Utopianfuture might know when he added the 'disclaimer'.

Either way, there was a grey period when sockpuppets were allowed. There are a whole bunch of UP posts where he's talking about why sockpuppets should be considered ok, but they've all been disowned, and replaced with the 'but now we have new DNA profiling type tech so sockpuppets have ALWAYS been fraudulent .....", which is the type of spin I'm disappointed by.

Utopianfuture should be above that sort of stuff, "read my lips, I did not condone sockpuppet relations with that woman ... NEM Lewinsky".

What's her Twitter address?

Inactivity isn't even being checked unless an account turns up during taint analysis. Good to know we have a minor celebrity around

I want to say that not everyone who isn't active is sock puppet. I asked a friend to join and paid for her. She never posted anything here after that, but with 11K twitter followers and a website and top 50 c4s store (that is clips4sale) anyone can confirm she isn't me

She has coinbase account and (minor) understanding of crypto, but she can be asset in promoting the coin once she understands Nem is real project and worth something.

Just making sure you guys consider that not everyone inactive is a sock puppet.

@dgex_victim (no quotes because that would fill a page )

UP plz correct me if I'm wrong here. I might have missed a few things earlier on in the registration process...

I wan't to give my perspective on the matter as well because I wasn't involved when NEM started but I am now especially with the taint analysis and the stakeholderlist.
First I want to say to so far NOONE has been kicked from the list because of sockpuppeting. That's what the audition is for which is still ongoing but I think it'll be finished by next week.
I also want to point out that noone will be kicked willy-nilly. Every one will  be given time to make their case. Additional to that we're only weeding out people with more than 5 stakes which is imho already generous. Also we're only refunding additional stakes. This means that people are not even being kicked out of the movement they just get their money back for additional stakes and receive only one stake (plus the sockpuppets we didn't find ) so I don't think we're stopped attracting newbies by kicking out sockpuppets.
I can't comment on the retrospective part because I was under the impression that the disclaimer about the dev team to refund if they feel someone is being unfair has been there from day one.
All in all I think the process is very fair. It has absolutely not been ideal and some people may get out of it with a bad feeling but in the end we're going to have a community where everyone has relatively the same amount of NEM and that was the goal. Rule changes or not that's what matters imho.

If you'd like to discuss this further I think we might wan't to move it somewhere else since this thread is currently still the main source for updates and it turns people off. We can totally keep it public I just think this thread might not be the right place anymore.

I encourage you to come more often again and to look at the trello board. Honestly your timing is dreadfull as this new round of discussing socks just came up yesterday. Until then it wasn't like that anymore

Good. I always thought that term sounded shady anyway.

Funfact: NEM will probably note use the term forging as it is connected to POS and NXT. If you read some of my posts I already used the word foraging (i guess people thought it's a typo)
Not sure this is final though but I like it.

Look NEM in essence is about equal distribution of wealth to all stakeholders, do you honestly think UP ever intended for people to have multiple stakes even in the beginning I think not.  You are basically saying dont correct a mistake even when we all know it is a mistake due to some minor technicality.

A good audit will only enhance the reputation of NEM, whatever u think.  Calling UP dishonest is very harsh, he is trying to give every one an equal opportunity, I don't think u will find many people opposing that.

That person who claims to have 90 stakes, if you support him on a mere technicality, when he even admits to gaming the system blatantly then u are either crazy or a robot without the capability of using judgment.

I hate those who have more than one share!

Utopianfuture just said he was going to decide sock puppets by activity and since this account is not active and I do not directly post with bitcointalk then I would likely lose my investment?  what am I not understanding?

Where are you seeing that?

(I'm hoping you're not one of the victim's sock puppet accounts trying to spread FUD.)

I've visited here every couple weeks to see how much closer we are to getting a wallet released.  I thought that having a third wallet to go along is my Dogecoin and BTC would be cool. Now I am seeing that if I don't actively login and post anything I might lose out on my investment. So let down.