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Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 367. (Read 661525 times)

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Direct quote from 2kool4skewl (link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5240892):
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No, there is no conspiracy.  Nem's whole concept is ridiculous.  Even its slogan was copied from Nxt.  It claims it is a "new economic movement", but they got that concept from my quote about Nxt being "not just another cryptocurrency, but a movement".  Nxt is the true "new economic movement".

It claims it is a "no envy movement", but the only reason it exists is for people to try to replicate Nxt's monetary success.

Nem's distribution is highly concentrated.  Currently, Nxt is even more distributed than Bitcoin.

Everyone who is "investing in Nem" is wasting their money imo, but people can make their own decision.

That's it for me with 2kool4skewl. You know before I wrote that he would be a valuable member to this community, but it's time to face facts: 2kool4skewl is denouncing NEM in many threads. After this he can not just simply say that he was only questioning NEM. He is trying to make it look bad!

I want him removed as a stakeholder. There can not possibly be any value in having a stakeholder among us who is going around and telling people that NEM is a waste of money and that it is created only by envious people trying to feed their greed.

Now I am suggesting a democratic vote on behalf of the community to remove 2kool4skewl from the stakeholder list. This will end any possible accusations made against Utopian future for removing 2kool4skewl about him being a dictator. The community has the right to remove members that it does not want to have!

You can vote about him being a member of the community here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2kool4skewl-as-a-member-on-nem-community-480290

The vote will be open for the next 3 days. After this the community will have made it's decision, no matter the result of the vote.

I think his opinion should not in any way effect his stake in NEM development. Just because someone doesn't like the company, it didn't mean they cannot own/purchase any shares. What he did is part of the ecosystem, even in an organization you can find someone highly negativity still working in it. Because they have interest, awe, doesn't have choices, don't want to be left behind. Whatever the reasons, I think he/she should be entitled to their opinion regardless of their stake. It's just a tiny %, and is good for marketing too.  Roll Eyes

Btw, not everything he/she said is true. As utopianfuture said, at this moment, NEM system is totally rewrite from scratch and will includes many other functions that other crypto don't have. So...
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Direct quote from 2kool4skewl (link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5240892):
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No, there is no conspiracy.  Nem's whole concept is ridiculous.  Even its slogan was copied from Nxt.  It claims it is a "new economic movement", but they got that concept from my quote about Nxt being "not just another cryptocurrency, but a movement".  Nxt is the true "new economic movement".

It claims it is a "no envy movement", but the only reason it exists is for people to try to replicate Nxt's monetary success.

Nem's distribution is highly concentrated.  Currently, Nxt is even more distributed than Bitcoin.

Everyone who is "investing in Nem" is wasting their money imo, but people can make their own decision.

That's it for me with 2kool4skewl. You know before I wrote that he would be a valuable member to this community, but it's time to face facts: 2kool4skewl is denouncing NEM in many threads. After this he can not just simply say that he was only questioning NEM. He is trying to make it look bad!

I want him removed as a stakeholder. There can not possibly be any value in having a stakeholder among us who is going around and telling people that NEM is a waste of money and that it is created only by envious people trying to feed their greed.

Now I am suggesting a democratic vote on behalf of the community to remove 2kool4skewl from the stakeholder list. This will end any possible accusations made against Utopian future for removing 2kool4skewl about him being a dictator. The community has the right to remove members that it does not want to have!

You can vote about him being a member of the community here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2kool4skewl-as-a-member-on-nem-community-480290

The vote will be open for the next 3 days. After this the community will have made it's decision, no matter the result of the vote.
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Just thought I'd show my face around here.......sorry I haven't been all that active since the start-up, but it looks like u guys are doing fine without me.  Wink

So: hi, guys, keep up the good work!

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Hello Nemunity,  this is my suggestion for a NEM LOGO,

i created it last night, maybe you like it. All colours can be changed.



@randombit

http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20140221-180553-357.png

Please klick link to see it in full size.

Greetings
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Hello all!
I suggest using this logo for NEM. This is not a coin, it is necessary to deviate from a circular shape.


YES!!


looks good!
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
Does someone tried to put in graph the forging system scheme?

I didn't understand very well the forge system...(detailed at the nem development plan)

thanks a lot!!!

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I am changing the front page to reflect the new ideas in the development plan. NEM is not planned to be a fork of NXT anymore but rather NEM code bases would be re-written completely based on the best ideas in Bitcoin and NXT plus its own innovations.

It is time we have a good looking front page for NEM. So let me know if you have a proposal for the nemcoin.info site. I like sites with a clean, minimalist design. Here are some sites samples that I like http://www.mastercoin.org/ ; http://info.nxtcrypto.org/ ; http://potcoin.info/

The site should belong to a NEM founder/ stakeholder who commits to NEM's future, it could be a group effort as well. Initially, the site will only have basic information about NEM and also have regular NEM development updates.


If you re-write the NEM code completely,how do the NXT develop? Out of circulation or any other plan?
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2Kool4Skewl

Are you interested to be part of NEM or not?

If no; Good luck with NXT.

If yes; UP will add you to the list and we create some innovative stuff together. Remember that NEM is still being built. So anything is possible.

Let us know your answer.

Guys.

Don't talk to him unless he answers my question.

Easy for us and a very easy question for him.

Did I ever say that I didn't want my stake?  Why are stakeholders threatened with removal if they voice their opinion?

This is the situation now. No need to talk about the past.
Face the situation and answer my question.

LOL

What a bunch of crap.  I don't have to answer your question.  My stake should never have been taken away.

So, I guess if you have any questions or objections to what the Nem community is doing, you have to undergo interrogation or risk losing your stake.

There are two points everyone should understand.

1. The development team did not sell NEM stakes or actively looked for passive investors during the fundraising; This is the purpose of the fundraising "We are looking for active participants that can help NEM in particular and the decentralized network culture in general" . There were fee /promotional condition to participate in NEM and when we have an unified group of stakeholders we will divide all NEM (minus development shares) equally to all stakeholders. In essence, the goal of the fundraising process is to build the community and funding that can help to move the NEM platform forward.

2. This is the disclaimer applying for the fundraising "While we are committed to the idea of "Fair Distribution - Equal Shares for ALL "; the fund raising terms are subject to changes upon the discretion of the development team."

These are taken "words by words" from the fundraising page. If you misunderstood these terms by the time of registration or now disagree with them, you are now free to leave and I will refund what you contributed in.

There are a plenty of associations out there and you are free to leave this one and join what you like, and yes based on the disclaimer the development team has the power to not accept a certain account in our stakeholder list.

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Def cool, very smart looking and not to over the top.......
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Hello all!
I suggest using this logo for NEM. This is not a coin, it is necessary to deviate from a circular shape.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ViEyNAdjQXc/UwX-9x0pCEI/AAAAAAAABW8/b_ya6okDsmY/w500-h709-no/nem.jpg

so cool! i like this logo  Grin
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simple,vivid and modern;just a style of IBM Cheesy Grin

Yeah I'm in love with this logo. It's professional and instantly recognisable.
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update 2/19 : an unified stake holder list would be made on 2/22 which is three days from today. You need to file a complaint in the stake complaint thread by that day if you think you are a stakeholder but you are not on the list or on the list without Y.

Will the stakeholder list be posted here or your website? What does the "without Y" mean?

The stakeholder list in a google sheet listed in the front page of this thread. Bookmark the front page as the updates will be there as well.

Condition Y = okie; blank = not qualified. As described in the fundrasing process, registration in each page has to send in the fee or satisfy a NEM promotion condition. Accounts without condition =Y did not satify these above mentioned conditions and therefore not qualified.
hero member
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update 2/19 : an unified stake holder list would be made on 2/22 which is three days from today. You need to file a complaint in the stake complaint thread by that day if you think you are a stakeholder but you are not on the list or on the list without Y.

Will the stakeholder list be posted here or your website? What does the "without Y" mean?

Y means that everythings OK
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update 2/19 : an unified stake holder list would be made on 2/22 which is three days from today. You need to file a complaint in the stake complaint thread by that day if you think you are a stakeholder but you are not on the list or on the list without Y.

Will the stakeholder list be posted here or your website? What does the "without Y" mean?
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hi all,

http://www.ournem.com   the site is down?  i can't visit it... Sad

me too!

I have some technical issues with the host site. Should be resolved today.
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Hi Guys!

My signature done Smiley
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Question on POI

I've search/scanned the thread for POI comments, I have not found an answer to this so apologies if this has been answered.

I tend to use crypto from the same account but not from the same device, so I might have a forging node at home but  transact by signing transactions on a non-forging client on my mobile.

The way I read it, POI is linked to the node activity not account activity.

So I want to contribute as a good community member transact in NEM and run a node but don't want to have to transact from that specific node just to ensure that I benefit from forging on that node through increased POI.

My reading of it also means that commercial nodes and exchanges will gain a lot of POI and could result in NEM looking like Ripple with busineses running the infrastructure and gaining most from that in terms of the transaction fees for the purchase/exchange AND then getting the lions share of the forging benefit.

So with POI can I still effectively participate with my stake in forging somehow?

Some of the details are still being worked out around POI. But, the current thinking is as follows:
- The transaction graph is based on account numbers - not IP addresses or devices
- There *may* be extra forging power given to an account that is forging on multiple nodes (in order to reward the network backbone, which was the initial idea behind PON; an account forging on 2 nodes should be more important than the same account forging on one node)
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NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach.

reminds me of some Hitler's and Marxist speeches Cheesy
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The new development which now set in, however, meant that there had to be a new orientation not merely of our ideas but also in regard to the practical policy which we had to carry out. Even today certain individuals who have fallen in the march of events refuse to adapt themselves to this change. They cannot understand it because it is beyond their mental horizon or outside the sphere of their egotistic interests. Our National Socialist teaching has undoubtedly a revolutionizing effect in many spheres of life and has interfered and acted under the revolutionary impulse.

And, NXT reminds me of an oligarchy Smiley:

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Oligarchy is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. ... Throughout history, oligarchies have been tyrannical (relying on public obedience and/or oppression to exist) or relatively benign. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy. However, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group, and do not have to be connected by bloodlines as in a monarchy.

But, either way, I think it' s a stretch to connect cryptocurrencies to political structures.
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