Author

Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 369. (Read 661525 times)

sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 253
Hi Vladimircook,

Nem is a pointless clone currency.  It offers no features that Nxt does not already possess.  A significant amount of funds have been taken from individuals and they are going to get nothing for it.  That is unethical.

I've read the dev plan, its interesting, would like to read more...
Its a copy of NXT in places - nothing wrong with that.
Its changed sufficiently to make it different and in places I like the differences, I might say improvements
The dev list is impressive given some of their posts I have see in the NXT threads and the things they have pointed out.
NXT isn't perfect
NEM probably isn't too
Something else will come along, copy both and innovate again.

So i'm sorry but I think this opinion is wrong - there is a point to this.

But I still don't think that justifies the action someone has taken against 2Kool just because they can...
sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 253
Hello Nemunity,

here is the logo in white, for the new website: ournem.com



Just had to say - I think this is really cool  Cool
sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 253
I think we should brainstorm about how to get a FIAT <-> NEM service going.
Any ideas ?

PayPal shuts you down before you can say "new econom... aaaan your shut down.

If you wan't to work with wire transfer you have to go through tons of legal issues.

Physically sending the money takes way to long.


I'm not sure how many countries have internet banking that offers fast money transfer? In the UK and it would appear Holland a company called Bittylicious acts as a broker and escrows the crypto-currency for fiat. If I want to buy Bitcoin for fiat I enter an amount of Bitcoin and get a fiat price in pounds. If I'm happy then Bittylicious present the seller bank details, I use these details on my internet banking person to person fast payment system. The fast payment system normally completes in a few minutes but can take upto a maximum of 2 hours. Bittylicious (somehow) monitors the payment and registers when it is complete, they then transfer the Bitcoins and again wait for at least 1 confirmation.

Maybe this could be an option to attract new people into NEM straight from fiat?

https://bittylicious.com/

KC

I trade a bit on Bittylicious and I'm talking to them about adding non BTC derived alt-coins like NXT, NEM but they seem a bit limited in their back end integration capabilities, if you spawned from BTC sources they can do it, but other coins they don't seem interested at the moment as its a problem adding something so different when adding BTC alt-coins is easy.

More people should ask, get set up as a trader and trade something else like me then your 'ask' will mean something.

One of the problems with NXT is the lack of a 'contact' / blueprint for exchange integration - if NEM can provide this it will make the solution easier for the exchange devs to figure out how to add it.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
The vibe that I get from this 2Kool4Skewl guy goes totally against what NEM is trying to stand for.

This is irrelevant. He should no be removed for posting his opinion.
 

His opinions were not honest they were baseless criticism and FUD. His opinions were of somebody that doesn't want to see this thing succeed.


This is totally irrelevant. He got his stakes by following the rules. The dev should not be able to take that away.

What if after Nem is "released" dev put  "backdoor" in the code such that in future they can "remove" anyone's coins if they don't like what they posted?

WTF is that?

Dictatorship?



hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 500
NXT and NEM really should not be fighting
There is plenty of space out there to take over from the 1st gen coins
I dont understand what went on here
But there have been examples of  'founders' of NXT 'bullying' when they don't agree with people's opinions
It doesn't go down well.
I would respectfully suggest NEM learn from this.

NXT and NEM can not fight. Individual members of each community can. You should be able to discuss, criticise, fight, ask, for whatever reason you feel like. I don't see the need to prohibit anyone from expressing his/her personal opinion on neither NXT nor NEM. One should be free to do so. This should not be a place for dictatorship.
sr. member
Activity: 952
Merit: 253
Do you not understand how damaging it is for your community when the main dev takes away a person's stake because he doesn't like what they say?

I am positive utopianfuture will make sure you get your stake.  

You see... I had reserved a stake on page 4 or 5... but because of all that FrictionlessCoin drama I deleted my post.  When I contacted UP to see whether he can retrieve a Google cache of the post so that I get my stake back... he was very professional and rejected my request because the actual posts in the thread is what proves which people are entitled to a stake... as well as when they actually showed interest.

In other words... if one can't get his/her stake back after having deleted the relevant post... NO stake can be removed if a person's post is still there!  Right, UP?    Undecided

Finally got some time to come back over here.
NXT and NEM really should not be fighting
There is plenty of space out there to take over from the 1st gen coins
I dont understand what went on here
But there have been examples of  'founders' of NXT 'bullying' when they don't agree with people's opinions
It doesn't go down well.
I would respectfully suggest NEM learn from this.
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
hi all,

http://www.ournem.com   the site is down?  i can't visit it... Sad
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
The vibe that I get from this 2Kool4Skewl guy goes totally against what NEM is trying to stand for.

This is irrelevant. He should no be removed for posting his opinion.
 

His opinions were not honest they were baseless criticism and FUD. His opinions were of somebody that doesn't want to see this thing succeed.

Imagine that you were starting a business and your partner wanted it to fail. Would you tolerate him wanting to sabotage it?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
The vibe that I get from this 2Kool4Skewl guy goes totally against what NEM is trying to stand for.

This is irrelevant. He should no be removed for posting his opinion.
 
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
Hello all!
I suggest using this logo for NEM. This is not a coin, it is necessary to deviate from a circular shape.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ViEyNAdjQXc/UwX-9x0pCEI/AAAAAAAABW8/b_ya6okDsmY/w500-h709-no/nem.jpg

so cool! i like this logo  Grin
sr. member
Activity: 644
Merit: 250
The vibe that I get from this 2Kool4Skewl guy goes totally against what NEM is trying to stand for. According to an earlier post he's an original investor in NXT or got them close to nothing. That probably gives him a lot of power at the exchanges, and after having a taste of that power, he cannot stand the idea of hundreds of people having an equal amount. I mean that's just my personal vibe, after seeing how easy it is to manipulate the exchanges. I cannot even sell NXTs unless I sell it at a cheaper price from somebody wanting to do a quick sell, because if I do it the other way then immediately after somebody post 100NXT at a cheaper price. And with Nem these people would lose such power to manipulate things.

That's just my vibe.

My main concern is that Nem and Nxt have the exact same stated goal: "The creation of a new economic movement."  I full-heartedly support this objective.  I do not believe a division of resources best serves this purpose.

I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done.  They have given it away for the promise of something in the future.  When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc.  I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.

I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings.  My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it.  I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end.  Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency.  We are a movement."
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
The vibe that I get from this 2Kool4Skewl guy goes totally against what NEM is trying to stand for. According to an earlier post he's an original investor in NXT or got them close to nothing. That probably gives him a lot of power at the exchanges, and after having a taste of that power, he cannot stand the idea of hundreds of people having an equal amount. I mean that's just my personal vibe, after seeing how easy it is to manipulate the exchanges. I cannot even sell NXTs unless I sell it at a cheaper price from somebody wanting to do a quick sell, because if I do it the other way then immediately after somebody post 100NXT at a cheaper price. And with Nem these people would lose such power to manipulate things.

That's just my vibe.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
UP just add 2Kool4Skewl to the list again.

Obviously he wants to get back again, but he is not great at communication. He is just talking about the past.

So it will be the best for us all to add him.

Then we can talk about NEM again.

I think he is superinterested  Smiley . Guys lets end it here. We should ask UP to put him back. There is no need to get him to say the exact words thats insulting  Sad . We are or should be better then that.



He seems to hate the coin, even if he's interested.

A man can always change his mind Smiley , I believe in second chances and underdogs.

He always wanted the coin, but I don't think his feelings about the coin have changed.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 250
UP just add 2Kool4Skewl to the list again.

Obviously he wants to get back again, but he is not great at communication. He is just talking about the past.

So it will be the best for us all to add him.

Then we can talk about NEM again.

I think he is superinterested  Smiley . Guys lets end it here. We should ask UP to put him back. There is no need to get him to say the exact words thats insulting  Sad . We are or should be better then that.



He seems to hate the coin, even if he's interested.

A man can always change his mind Smiley , I believe in second chances and underdogs.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
UP just add 2Kool4Skewl to the list again.

Obviously he wants to get back again, but he is not great at communication. He is just talking about the past.

So it will be the best for us all to add him.

Then we can talk about NEM again.

I think he is superinterested  Smiley . Guys lets end it here. We should ask UP to put him back. There is no need to get him to say the exact words thats insulting  Sad . We are or should be better then that.



He seems to hate the coin, even if he's interested.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 250
UP just add 2Kool4Skewl to the list again.

Obviously he wants to get back again, but he is not great at communication. He is just talking about the past.

So it will be the best for us all to add him.

Then we can talk about NEM again.

I think he is superinterested  Smiley . Guys lets end it here. We should ask UP to put him back. There is no need to get him to say the exact words thats insulting  Sad . We are or should be better then that.

hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
Hi Vladimircook,

Nem is a pointless clone currency.  It offers no features that Nxt does not already possess.  A significant amount of funds have been taken from individuals and they are going to get nothing for it.  That is unethical.

This?

That and like 30 other posts like this. He was so negative about NEM, the community didn't know what to do with all those negative comments.

It was a horror to watch all those discussions. Then we asked ourselfs; is 2Kool4Skewl really interested in NEM or is he going to destroy NEM? What is very logical after all those negative comments of 2Kool4Skewl.

UP then came with the next announcement;

Quote
I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list as I understand that he does not want to be there. In the first 20 pages of the fundraising, many people do not entirely understand about the scope as well as purpose of NEM so it was easy just to post "interested" there by a mistake. Contrary to what used to be in the first page of the fundraising thread , NEM do offer refund after the announcement of detail development plan (probably in 2 weeks or so) so if someone does not feel they fit in with NEM community, they can leave voluntarily.

As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.  

The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also  NEM's core concepts and principles.

He said temporarily.

After that everyone expected an answer of 2Kool4Skewl. If he is really interested in NEM or not. But he is still talking about the past. And about the removal of his stake.

I think 2Kool4Skewl is really interested. But cannot express it in the right way.

Because if he were not. He wouldn't answer all these questions and just go away.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
If 2Kool4Skewl is added back to the list, is he going to spread FUD and continue bad mouthing NEM? I mean why would he be interested if he has such negative feelings towards Nem? Perhaps we should just donate his former stake.
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1007
IMO there is nothing wrong with the way this is handled. First it clearly states temporarily , so nothing irreversible.

Second, there is a difference between being critical to the project (by stating things you dislike/would like to see otherwise and giving suggestions how you like to see it) and just posting how shit a project is.
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
Hi Vladimircook,

Nem is a pointless clone currency.  It offers no features that Nxt does not already possess.  A significant amount of funds have been taken from individuals and they are going to get nothing for it.  That is unethical.

This?
Jump to: