[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 466.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 02:02:29 PM

Quick update: the stakeholder list is updated to page 6 of the second registration thread. We are at 1571.

1. Now I would like to have a second pair of eyes to re-check all the incoming transactions to make sure they are legit and satisfy the sending address condition aka counter -sockpuppet measure. I would continue to check everything when I update the stakeholder list but I think a second eyes to double check everything would give stakeholder list a greater degree of reliability and transparency. The person who do this would start from the registration thread 2 and continue until the fundraising is over. He should PM me if he find any issue with a particular stake spot reservation. This position would be given 1 dev stake and also a big thanks from NEM community.

2. I would temporarily stop "promotion to qualify" in a next few days to try some direct advertising to see if we see any differences in the new number of registrations. The goal has always been to reach out to a large and diverse base of users who do not necessarily have an experience with cryptocurrency before.

ugh, thats a crappy job. ill volunteer if no one else does. but IMO the dev stake in question should be dependent on a high accuracy % target of a doublecheck.

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Quick update: the stakeholder list is updated to page 6 of the second registration thread. We are at 1571.

1. Now I would like to have a second pair of eyes to re-check all the incoming transactions to make sure they are legit and satisfy the sending address condition aka counter -sockpuppet measure. I would continue to check everything when I update the stakeholder list but I think a second eyes to double check everything would give stakeholder list a greater degree of reliability and transparency. The person who do this would start from the registration thread 2 and continue until the fundraising is over. He should PM me if he find any issue with a particular stake spot reservation. This position would be given 1 dev stake and also a big thanks from NEM community.

2. I would temporarily stop "promotion to qualify" in a next few days to try some direct advertising to see if we see any differences in the new number of registrations. The goal has always been to reach out to a large and diverse base of users who do not necessarily have an experience with cryptocurrency before.

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hello together

I have a question and goes to utopianfuture and jaguar.
I would like to know more of you, after all it is also trust.
Let's start simply times personally.
-where are you from
-how old are you
-what is your profession

Dear you have utopianfuture times at the beginning indicated that you invest a nxt stakeholders are and would also personally if not enough money comes in at launch.

As for your Next account is?

At the end of the question what moves you as much time and energy into the project to put in?

regards

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Quote from: Jaguar0625 on January 31, 2014, 08:53:05 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on January 31, 2014, 07:31:07 AM

It doesn't matter if the code that has been officially released to the public is flawed incomplete or whatever. NXT uses non obfuscated Java which means that anyone can look at the most recent clients code by simply decompiling the jar.
None of the clones are using the "open source code". If they are they are they are doing it wrong

Of course NXT will make quite a "jump" with 0.6.0 because the code has been refactored which is why they are holding it back for as long as possible - so the clones can't profit from that refactor.

We placed a copy of the latest decompiled NXT code in our repository https://github.com/NxtEM/nem. At the moment, we are still working out a development plan and deciding how ambitious we want NXT to be. Be patient and stay tuned

.

Do you mean how ambitious you wan't NEM to be ?
I think if NEM want's to have a place it needs to improve things over NXT. I don't think this whole silver for NXT thing is going to work out if it's really a pure clone even if the source is different.

Everytune i see a new bitcoin clone or a clone of any other coin that improves nothing I'm thinking "why the hell would anyone want this ?".

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Quote from: -Greed- on January 31, 2014, 07:36:04 AM

I see fast growth here compared to other Nxt clones. Keep it up! Wink

Those other clones are probably scams. People who are "interested", are just trying luck, I guess.

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I have sent 0.035btc. Thanks a lot.

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Quote from: Jaguar0625 on January 31, 2014, 08:53:05 AM

We placed a copy of the latest decompiled NXT code in our repository https://github.com/NxtEM/nem. At the moment, we are still working out a development plan and deciding how ambitious we want NXT to be. Be patient and stay tuned

.

Does it mean that it will have the same API calls like NXT
and connecting to the NEM RS will work in simillar way like to NRS?

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Quote from: patmast3r on January 31, 2014, 07:31:07 AM

It doesn't matter if the code that has been officially released to the public is flawed incomplete or whatever. NXT uses non obfuscated Java which means that anyone can look at the most recent clients code by simply decompiling the jar.
None of the clones are using the "open source code". If they are they are they are doing it wrong

Of course NXT will make quite a "jump" with 0.6.0 because the code has been refactored which is why they are holding it back for as long as possible - so the clones can't profit from that refactor.

We placed a copy of the latest decompiled NXT code in our repository https://github.com/NxtEM/nem. At the moment, we are still working out a development plan and deciding how ambitious we want NEM to be. Be patient and stay tuned

.

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I see fast growth here compared to other Nxt clones. Keep it up! Wink

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Quote from: jkoil on January 31, 2014, 07:23:42 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on January 31, 2014, 06:04:28 AM

Quote from: jkoil on January 31, 2014, 03:59:31 AM

I've heard criticism and doubts:
. the code is not public, so cannot be trusted
. there is not enough devs, look ethereum. they have 10 - 12 developers
. the invested money can fly away easily after the project crashes in may or june.

What should be answered to those?

1. The code for NEM isn't even finished yet.
2. It's about quality not quantity.
3. How is that different from any other project ? That buy in is quite low as well. If you're not willing to risk 300NXT then you shouldn't be investing in cryptos anyway. Everything could potentially fail.

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 07:09:41 AM

1. It should be clear that we are in an exploratory mode, so no code for now but NEM's codes will be public when they are available.
2. Stay tuned on this front because more updates are coming. But Ethereum is an entirely different animal. While Ethereum is a very ambitious project, at this point it is not much different from NEM in the development milestones.
3. Invested money goes nowhere until we launch the genesis block. Development fund up to that point comes from development stakes and my personal fund if needed.

Thanks for both answers ... will be forwarded

About the codes: as NEM follows NXT, it has been critized NXT that its code is not yet public. Or the public code is not working. Clearly some details or news have not been understood, eg. about the injected flaws in the NXT code.

It doesn't matter if the code that has been officially released to the public is flawed incomplete or whatever. NXT uses non obfuscated Java which means that anyone can look at the most recent clients code by simply decompiling the jar.
None of the clones are using the "open source code". If they are they are they are doing it wrong

Of course NXT will make quite a "jump" with 0.6.0 because the code has been refactored which is why they are holding it back for as long as possible - so the clones can't profit from that refactor.

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Quote from: patmast3r on January 31, 2014, 06:04:28 AM

Quote from: jkoil on January 31, 2014, 03:59:31 AM

I've heard criticism and doubts:
. the code is not public, so cannot be trusted
. there is not enough devs, look ethereum. they have 10 - 12 developers
. the invested money can fly away easily after the project crashes in may or june.

What should be answered to those?

1. The code for NEM isn't even finished yet.
2. It's about quality not quantity.
3. How is that different from any other project ? That buy in is quite low as well. If you're not willing to risk 300NXT then you shouldn't be investing in cryptos anyway. Everything could potentially fail.

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 07:09:41 AM

1. It should be clear that we are in an exploratory mode, so no code for now but NEM's codes will be public when they are available.
2. Stay tuned on this front because more updates are coming. But Ethereum is an entirely different animal. While Ethereum is a very ambitious project, at this point it is not much different from NEM in the development milestones.
3. Invested money goes nowhere until we launch the genesis block. Development fund up to that point comes from development stakes and my personal fund if needed.

Thanks for both answers ... will be forwarded

About the codes: as NEM follows NXT, it has been critized NXT that its code is not yet public. Or the public code is not working. Clearly some details or news have not been understood, eg. about the injected flaws in the NXT code.

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Quote from: zhangjinfang2008 on January 31, 2014, 07:17:58 AM

send 0.03btc e5ed6fd0db2e1eef6f3dd057f096de014afcb77da2f76915f33aafd501c31ec5

https://blockchain.info/zh-cn/tx/e5ed6fd0db2e1eef6f3dd057f096de014afcb77da2f76915f33aafd501c31ec5

Hi you need to post in the registration thread. not here.

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https://blockchain.info/zh-cn/tx/e5ed6fd0db2e1eef6f3dd057f096de014afcb77da2f76915f33aafd501c31ec5

Reissue 0.01btc faedf854b641eeb59344240254e99681e58dd3e9b83ec9e612f0b4ecd7da392e

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Quote from: jkoil on January 31, 2014, 03:59:31 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 30, 2014, 07:36:51 PM

Quote from: SKNO1 on January 30, 2014, 04:56:04 PM

I do not understand this system. I have even a share but what:

- Makes NEM from?
- For what is NEM?
- Which raises NEM from over the other 100 Coins?
-where NEM seeks to distinguish against Nxt?
-what is the purpose of NEM?

Another aspect:

I would like to see if NEM knows where it wants to do a fundraiser.

It would be cool if each shareholder $ 100 for a huge advertising campaign donate that has not seen the world before

Sounds crazy? YES but it works! For all!

Here is the fundamental thing I can see in NEM in a next few months. NEM would be the first pure POS blockchain that starts with a huge and equal user-base right from the start.

Another thing: I believe that NEM's development team can deliver a very solid written from the ground code bases that allows for superior features that have not been implemented anywhere else. Stay tuned on this front because there will be many updates in the futures.

Another thing: I think the NEM's initial incentive design would be very appealing to many developers and helpers so that many talented people would come to help us.

Last thing: I believe in transparency, community building, equality and open source community . NEM embody all of these ideas in a form of a cryptocurrency.

I've heard criticism and doubts:
. the code is not public, so cannot be trusted
. there is not enough devs, look ethereum. they have 10 - 12 developers
. the invested money can fly away easily after the project crashes in may or june.

What should be answered to those?

1. It should be clear that we are in an exploratory mode, so no code for now but NEM's codes will be public when they are available.
2. Stay tuned on this front because more updates are coming. But Ethereum is an entirely different animal. While Ethereum is a very ambitious project, at this point it is not much different from NEM in the development milestones.
3. Invested money goes nowhere until we launch the genesis block. Development fund up to that point comes from development stakes and my personal fund if needed.

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Quote from: jkoil on January 31, 2014, 03:59:31 AM

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 30, 2014, 07:36:51 PM

Quote from: SKNO1 on January 30, 2014, 04:56:04 PM

I do not understand this system. I have even a share but what:

- Makes NEM from?
- For what is NEM?
- Which raises NEM from over the other 100 Coins?
-where NEM seeks to distinguish against Nxt?
-what is the purpose of NEM?

Another aspect:

I would like to see if NEM knows where it wants to do a fundraiser.

It would be cool if each shareholder $ 100 for a huge advertising campaign donate that has not seen the world before

Sounds crazy? YES but it works! For all!

Here is the fundamental thing I can see in NEM in a next few months. NEM would be the first pure POS blockchain that starts with a huge and equal user-base right from the start.

Another thing: I believe that NEM's development team can deliver a very solid written from the ground code bases that allows for superior features that have not been implemented anywhere else. Stay tuned on this front because there will be many updates in the futures.

Another thing: I think the NEM's initial incentive design would be very appealing to many developers and helpers so that many talented people would come to help us.

Last thing: I believe in transparency, community building, equality and open source community . NEM embody all of these ideas in a form of a cryptocurrency.

I've heard criticism and doubts:
. the code is not public, so cannot be trusted
. there is not enough devs, look ethereum. they have 10 - 12 developers
. the invested money can fly away easily after the project crashes in may or june.

What should be answered to those?

1. The code for NEM isn't even finished yet.
2. It's about quality not quantity.
3. How is that different from any other project ? That buy in is quite low as well. If you're not willing to risk 300NXT then you shouldn't be investing in cryptos anyway. Everything could potentially fail.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on January 30, 2014, 07:36:51 PM

Quote from: SKNO1 on January 30, 2014, 04:56:04 PM

I do not understand this system. I have even a share but what:

- Makes NEM from?
- For what is NEM?
- Which raises NEM from over the other 100 Coins?
-where NEM seeks to distinguish against Nxt?
-what is the purpose of NEM?

Another aspect:

I would like to see if NEM knows where it wants to do a fundraiser.

It would be cool if each shareholder $ 100 for a huge advertising campaign donate that has not seen the world before

Sounds crazy? YES but it works! For all!

Here is the fundamental thing I can see in NEM in a next few months. NEM would be the first pure POS blockchain that starts with a huge and equal user-base right from the start.

Another thing: I believe that NEM's development team can deliver a very solid written from the ground code bases that allows for superior features that have not been implemented anywhere else. Stay tuned on this front because there will be many updates in the futures.

Another thing: I think the NEM's initial incentive design would be very appealing to many developers and helpers so that many talented people would come to help us.

Last thing: I believe in transparency, community building, equality and open source community . NEM embody all of these ideas in a form of a cryptocurrency.

I've heard criticism and doubts:
. the code is not public, so cannot be trusted
. there is not enough devs, look ethereum. they have 10 - 12 developers
. the invested money can fly away easily after the project crashes in may or june.

What should be answered to those?

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Quote from: utopianfuture on January 30, 2014, 07:58:26 PM

Post + conditions (change every 10 pages) such as paying designated fee or promoting NEM in someway. Your post + proof of satisfying conditions means you have reserved a stake spot.

OK done!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4850100

Put me on the list!
Thanks.

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Quote from: freigeist on January 30, 2014, 07:49:48 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 30, 2014, 06:21:57 PM

Quick update: the stakeholder list is updated to the end of page 90- registration thread 1. So if you just reserved your spot in the second registration thread, then your account has not been added to the list.

But here is the interesting thing: the google doc stakeholder list I made is not the original stakeholder list; the original stakeholder list is the registration thread itself. Anyone can do the due diligence and re-create the stakeholder list from the registration thread according of the pre-defined rules. The google doc list I am making has to be validated by the registration thread which is the our only social contracts to stakeholders.

So if you have your post and payment in a certain position in the registration thread, then that would be the only proof you need to be added in the list if I somehow miss it in the first try. The google doc ist would be rechecked against the registration thread once more when the fundraising is over to make sure there is no discrepancy and mistake.

Thanks for supporting NEM.

Up,

Sorry I haven't understood very well the explanation here?
Do I need only to make a post somewhere in some thread
to be included in this list
or do I need to send some btc or NXT to get on the list?

Post + conditions (change every 10 pages) such as paying designated fee or promoting NEM in someway. Your post + proof of satisfying conditions means you have reserved a stake spot.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on January 30, 2014, 06:21:57 PM

Quick update: the stakeholder list is updated to the end of page 90- registration thread 1. So if you just reserved your spot in the second registration thread, then your account has not been added to the list.

But here is the interesting thing: the google doc stakeholder list I made is not the original stakeholder list; the original stakeholder list is the registration thread itself. Anyone can do the due diligence and re-create the stakeholder list from the registration thread according of the pre-defined rules. The google doc list I am making has to be validated by the registration thread which is the our only social contracts to stakeholders.

So if you have your post and payment in a certain position in the registration thread, then that would be the only proof you need to be added in the list if I somehow miss it in the first try. The google doc ist would be rechecked against the registration thread once more when the fundraising is over to make sure there is no discrepancy and mistake.

Thanks for supporting NEM.

Up,

Sorry I haven't understood very well the explanation here?
Do I need only to make a post somewhere in some thread
to be included in this list
or do I need to send some btc or NXT to get on the list?

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