[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 464.

patmast3r

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Quote from: Bitye West on February 01, 2014, 04:13:43 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on February 01, 2014, 03:37:39 AM

I am one of those alleged sockaccounts. I registered specifically for getting into NEM.

So what ?

I never saw the need to register to this forum before. I can get trolled and read bs anywhere. NEM gave me the incentive to register so I did. Now you wan't to take away my stake because I haven't registered earlier ? You sir should have no stake because clearly you are in the Very Envy Movement.

Also this forum is freaking terrible....I knew why i didn't register earlier

. I get that stupid 360 seconds warning all the time, even if I haven't postet in days. Same for the search only it's 90 seconds there.

I think the 360 seconds is drastically cut down once you post a certain number of times or reach a certain activity level.

That's comforting to hear

Bitye West

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Quote from: patmast3r on February 01, 2014, 03:37:39 AM

I am one of those alleged sockaccounts. I registered specifically for getting into NEM.

So what ?

I never saw the need to register to this forum before. I can get trolled and read bs anywhere. NEM gave me the incentive to register so I did. Now you wan't to take away my stake because I haven't registered earlier ? You sir should have no stake because clearly you are in the Very Envy Movement.

Also this forum is freaking terrible....I knew why i didn't register earlier

. I get that stupid 360 seconds warning all the time, even if I haven't postet in days. Same for the search only it's 90 seconds there.

I think the 360 seconds is drastically cut down once you post a certain number of times or reach a certain activity level.

Sportfreund1488

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Oh? All of them have Facebook and CO?
I have not had NEVER, I hate it really. I do not even own a smartphone and for 4 years a Samsung phone where you can only make calls and SMS. That's enough for me!

Some think really that you have to join any shit. No real friends but for 1000 on Facebook ...

patmast3r

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I am one of those alleged sockaccounts. I registered specifically for getting into NEM.

So what ?

I never saw the need to register to this forum before. I can get trolled and read bs anywhere. NEM gave me the incentive to register so I did. Now you wan't to take away my stake because I haven't registered earlier ? You sir should have no stake because clearly you are in the Very Envy Movement.

Also this forum is freaking terrible....I knew why i didn't register earlier

. I get that stupid 360 seconds warning all the time, even if I haven't postet in days. Same for the search only it's 90 seconds there.

Xpedite

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DRAMA: Dumb Retards Asking More Attention

I would really like people to focus on other things than this distribution discussion. I think you people are overestimating the amount of double accounts. I myself have created a bitcointalk account specifically for NEM. I bet most of the new accounts can be compared to my situation. I won't even bother trying to get a hold of an extra share.
Frankly I am tired of reading enless posts about this distribution being unfare. All that can be said has allready been said!

Rules have been laid out and are the same for everyone. Utopianfuture has allready emphasised several times that he will not change the rules anymore. Don't waste his time by forcing him to repeat himself!

Please stop the envy and put that energy in promoting this idea instead of braking it down.

dzarmush

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Quote from: Anotheranonlol on February 01, 2014, 12:02:43 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on January 31, 2014, 11:42:15 PM

As for anonymity, let's keep this bs away and not be paranoid. I'm sure 99% of NEM holders have Facebook accounts with real names, pictures, life plans and so on and they don't give a shit about anonymity. What will happen if everybody knows I own 1M Nem? FBI and CIA will come with questions or what?

After all we can make a poll: "will you be ok with giving a link to your Facebook profile to be sure that NEM stakes are shared equally?".

very easy to buy fb account in bulk, useless.

It's really easy to see if it's fake or not.

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Quote from: dzarmush on January 31, 2014, 11:42:15 PM

As for anonymity, let's keep this bs away and not be paranoid. I'm sure 99% of NEM holders have Facebook accounts with real names, pictures, life plans and so on and they don't give a shit about anonymity. What will happen if everybody knows I own 1M Nem? FBI and CIA will come with questions or what?

After all we can make a poll: "will you be ok with giving a link to your Facebook profile to be sure that NEM stakes are shared equally?".

very easy to buy fb account in bulk, useless.

dzarmush

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Here it is https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-distribution-443313
Please vote.

dzarmush

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As for anonymity, let's keep this bs away and not be paranoid. I'm sure 99% of NEM holders have Facebook accounts with real names, pictures, life plans and so on and they don't give a shit about anonymity. What will happen if everybody knows I own 1M Nem? FBI and CIA will come with questions or what?

After all we can make a poll: "will you be ok with giving a link to your Facebook profile to be sure that NEM stakes are shared equally?".

dzarmush

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I'd say we should stop discussing that. There're lots of ways to prevent having more then 2-3 stakes. Let's wait until 4000 stakes are bought and then check legitimity. If someone bought more then 2-3 stakes he'll just lose his money.

utopianfuture

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You have not responded to why you removed everyone's name from the development stake list who contributed to logo, currency design, and branding.

I did that, and I am also managing the NEM twitter page (http://www.twitter.com/nemcoin), so I should be receiving both a stake for branding work and a stake for media campaigns.

Best,

A.

I did respond here but not in the registration thread. You should know that better. These dev stakes would be decided later on at very close to the first NEM distribution. Everyone who makes logo, currency design, and branding has already got a regular stake per satisfying promotion conditions.

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Quote from: opticalcarrier on January 31, 2014, 10:54:51 PM

Quote from: Uniqueorn on January 31, 2014, 10:17:36 PM

That is a impossible task and you know it.
I am asking you to be honest with your intellect. Of course the accounts are sockaccounts, Where do you think they magically appeared from with a instant desire to get a hold of NEM?

I *know* you know this, but due to the interest real people has also shown you don't want to shut it down and start over in a fair way.

how is it impossible? he put his money where his mouth is. hes got HUGE balls as far as Im concerned with that offer. I can guarantee had I been one to claim that large a stake Id for sure come up with the proof for 1M NXT.

hopefully it wont come to that.

You should put a time limit on that offer though - like if someone does that they have to prove they accounts they used, and the winner must have had 5% before today.

otherwise you'll have 50 retreads for sure hammering away at the task for 1M NXT.

Yep that is for today. In fact it should be in 1 hour because there is a speculation around here that someone already claimed 25% of NEM. Thanks for reminding me.

For the proof, just use your 100 accounts and pm opticalcarrier the same massage. Then that shows you are owners of these accounts.

opticalcarrier

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Quote from: Uniqueorn on January 31, 2014, 10:17:36 PM

That is a impossible task and you know it.
I am asking you to be honest with your intellect. Of course the accounts are sockaccounts, Where do you think they magically appeared from with a instant desire to get a hold of NEM?

I *know* you know this, but due to the interest real people has also shown you don't want to shut it down and start over in a fair way.

how is it impossible? he put his money where his mouth is. hes got HUGE balls as far as Im concerned with that offer. I can guarantee had I been one to claim that large a stake Id for sure come up with the proof for 1M NXT.

hopefully it wont come to that.

You should put a time limit on that offer though - like if someone does that they have to prove they accounts they used, and the winner must have had 5% before today.

otherwise you'll have 50 retreads for sure hammering away at the task for 1M NXT.

utopianfuture

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Quote from: greatwolf on January 31, 2014, 10:32:19 PM

This suggestion is probably a bit late to the game but what if you actually require new stakeholder buy-in's to provide a cell# for you to send an SMS to? This is the technique commonly used by various online services and sites to provide legitimacy.

This approach seems like a reasonable compromise -- those that want to buyin bigger stake for their loved ones can do so assuming they have a valid cell number. On the other hand, users with sockpuppet accounts are unlikely to go through the trouble of creating multiple unique cell# since there is now a real associated cost.

Anonimity would be compromised. It is a big no in the cryptocurrency culture.

The way fundraising is designed is to give enough hassles that making many accounts, sending money around for many stakes are not worth it. It has worked to a large extent so far. If someone really determines to have more shares of NEM, then sure he can do that but he also send us a lot of moneys. So I see no real issue here.

I go by transaction in chronological order to avoid double sending. So if someone post a reply with your transaction hash before you then you lose that transaction. But I am not sure how that can happen unless you willingly give that transaction hash to someone else.

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This suggestion is probably a bit late to the game but what if you actually require new stakeholder buy-in's to provide a cell# for you to send an SMS to? This is the technique commonly used by various online services and sites to provide legitimacy.

This approach seems like a reasonable compromise -- those that want to buyin bigger stake for their loved ones can do so assuming they have a valid cell number. On the other hand, users with sockpuppet accounts are unlikely to go through the trouble of creating multiple unique cell# since there is now a real associated cost.

On another note, you should really require buy-in's to include a valid cryptographic signature of some sort using the private key that signed the transaction id. Otherwise, anyone can claim someone else's transaction id if no proof of ownership is required.

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Also don't forget people who want anonimity in their investment. They make a new account for the purpose too.

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PGP 9CB0902E

wait a minute...
even with a million sockpuppets for everyone, why is it unfair?

Nobody is stopping anyone to make more accounts, If anyone can or is willing, he is free to do so.
How is that unfair? If one wants more, he can have more, how can it be unfair?

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Quote from: TauMuon on January 31, 2014, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: Uniqueorn on January 31, 2014, 09:55:44 PM

Utopian: this is just not good enough.
The vast majority hasn't bought 1 for their loved ones. C'mon now.
Let's be realistic.
You made it WAY WAY WAY too easy to play the system and 90% of the NEM will be in the hands of less than 1% of the users. Just look at that fucklong thread. 90% of the users are brand new users with 1 post the exact minute after registration and it was for NEM.
At top 5-10% of those are from the subreddit I posted it too.

To be fair, the distribution NEM will have at launch will already be hugely improved over basically every single other cryptocurrency release. Consider that before you say "it's not good enough."

Over the last year as I discovered alt coins and daily looked at my brand new expensive Samsung NVidia laptop that is worthless for mining I'm not sure
I can see the fairness in mining which everyone looks at as the fairest method. Personally the recent buy ins for coins to me are more open and fair than mining where only the technically literate who can set up cloud servers etc or expensive rigs can take advantage.

My guess is the people who complain the most about recent POS coins are sat with $10,000 of mining equipment pissed they has lost their advantage.

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Quote from: Uniqueorn on January 31, 2014, 10:17:36 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 09:57:55 PM

Quote from: Uniqueorn on January 31, 2014, 09:55:44 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 09:52:15 PM

Here are some of the PM I received in the last few days:

- I have already sent my 350NXT and am looking forward to seeing what becomes of NEM. I wanted to know if I can buy a stake for my dad and brother. Potentially they could also just split a share. I can get them to create an account on bitcointalk, but the NXT would be coming from my wallet.

- I wanted to make a another profile to my girlfriend who'snt familiar with cryptocurrrencies, altough she wanted to try create some cool logos which can be found here and that NEM-forum.

- I told my brother about NEM and he also decided to get into it, but he doesn't have a Bitcointalk account and I already have a stake. Can I just send 350 Nxt from my account and post transaction details from the same Bitcointalk account?

- I have already reserved a stake in page 90 and I would like to reserve one more for my bro. I would love to do one for my brother and surprise him when the coin becomes a huge success.

- I created my account just to be able to invest in the project (i only lurked on bitcointalk before, never needed to create an account). I see a lot of hate towards newcomers in both the threads because of the fear of those "sockpuppets". If you guys ever decide to change the rules and exclude and/or require proof from new accounts how would you communicate that to all the people concerned? I am just getting worried and don't want anything preventing me from participating in this fundraising and being part of the coin

- Ok can I buy another share with this account for my beloved one, fur the current price?

- Regarding buying more stakes. I would like to buy it for my brother, but he dont have forum user. Is it ok he just create one?

I believe most of the new accounts coming from new users or from current NEM holders buying one share for their loved one. Remember that NEM is also no envy and positive movement and all of the negative feelings toward new users coming to us is just against everything NEM stands for. There are certainly people who try to game the system but it is logistically impossible and and financially not rewarding to buy a lot of NEM stakes. On the other hand, gaming the system could happen in any IPO; Could BCNext actually hold all thee 50 million NXT account ? could some send in more than 1BTC in NXT fundrasing ? in both cases the answers are yes.

Utopian: this is just not good enough.
The vast majority hasn't bought 1 for their loved ones. C'mon now.
Let's be realistic.
You made it WAY WAY WAY too easy to play the system and 90% of the NEM will be in the hands of less than 1% of the users. Just look at that fucklong thread. 90% of the users are brand new users with 1 post the exact minute after registration and it was for NEM.
At top 5-10% of those are from the subreddit I posted it too.

Why don't you try to control 5% of NEM and show me your results ?

Since someone like to make baseless speculations about NEM. I officially challenge anyone who can show proof that they control 5% of NEM of more. I will transfer 1 million NXT to you and shut down this project if you can do that.

That is a impossible task and you know it.
I am asking you to be honest with your intellect. Of course the accounts are sockaccounts, Where do you think they magically appeared from with a instant desire to get a hold of NEM?

I *know* you know this, but due to the interest real people has also shown you don't want to shut it down and start over in a fair way.

because you have a 70 post count then you can buy NEM but a new user can't ? is that fair to you ?

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Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 09:57:55 PM

Quote from: Uniqueorn on January 31, 2014, 09:55:44 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on January 31, 2014, 09:52:15 PM

Here are some of the PM I received in the last few days:

- I have already sent my 350NXT and am looking forward to seeing what becomes of NEM. I wanted to know if I can buy a stake for my dad and brother. Potentially they could also just split a share. I can get them to create an account on bitcointalk, but the NXT would be coming from my wallet.

- I wanted to make a another profile to my girlfriend who'snt familiar with cryptocurrrencies, altough she wanted to try create some cool logos which can be found here and that NEM-forum.

- I told my brother about NEM and he also decided to get into it, but he doesn't have a Bitcointalk account and I already have a stake. Can I just send 350 Nxt from my account and post transaction details from the same Bitcointalk account?

- I have already reserved a stake in page 90 and I would like to reserve one more for my bro. I would love to do one for my brother and surprise him when the coin becomes a huge success.

- I created my account just to be able to invest in the project (i only lurked on bitcointalk before, never needed to create an account). I see a lot of hate towards newcomers in both the threads because of the fear of those "sockpuppets". If you guys ever decide to change the rules and exclude and/or require proof from new accounts how would you communicate that to all the people concerned? I am just getting worried and don't want anything preventing me from participating in this fundraising and being part of the coin

- Ok can I buy another share with this account for my beloved one, fur the current price?

- Regarding buying more stakes. I would like to buy it for my brother, but he dont have forum user. Is it ok he just create one?

I believe most of the new accounts coming from new users or from current NEM holders buying one share for their loved one. Remember that NEM is also no envy and positive movement and all of the negative feelings toward new users coming to us is just against everything NEM stands for. There are certainly people who try to game the system but it is logistically impossible and and financially not rewarding to buy a lot of NEM stakes. On the other hand, gaming the system could happen in any IPO; Could BCNext actually hold all thee 50 million NXT account ? could some send in more than 1BTC in NXT fundrasing ? in both cases the answers are yes.

Utopian: this is just not good enough.
The vast majority hasn't bought 1 for their loved ones. C'mon now.
Let's be realistic.
You made it WAY WAY WAY too easy to play the system and 90% of the NEM will be in the hands of less than 1% of the users. Just look at that fucklong thread. 90% of the users are brand new users with 1 post the exact minute after registration and it was for NEM.
At top 5-10% of those are from the subreddit I posted it too.

Why don't you try to control 5% of NEM and show me your results ?

Since someone like to make baseless speculations about NEM. I officially challenge anyone who can show proof that they control 5% of NEM of more. I will transfer 1 million NXT to you and shut down this project if you can do that.

That is a impossible task and you know it.
I am asking you to be honest with your intellect. Of course the accounts are sockaccounts, Where do you think they magically appeared from with a instant desire to get a hold of NEM?

I *know* you know this, but due to the interest real people has also shown you don't want to shut it down and start over in a fair way.

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