Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 73. (Read 661498 times)

Indirectly, and changing the topic, this led me to think of an "achievement" list within the NEM client - equivalent to the achievements you see on Xbox Live and in PC / Console Gaming.

  Achievements is essentially an addicting mini-game in recreational video gaming, which encourages the user to devote more hours to the game in question to unlock these achievements (I don't know how to better explain this idea but anyone who plays Xbox Live or Steam PC Games would know what I am talking about).

  You could effectively create a wide range of NEM achievements, some of them fairly easy to achieve and others more difficult or borderline impossible.  

Definitely worth noting but should it be emphasized?

Getting this investor handout designed is going to do one of two things regarding that.  It's either going to rally the community around a particular brand and logo, or it's going to cause whatever the designer's pick to become entrenched as the de facto brand.  Either way, the process of getting a brand is moved forward.

 Ethereum is another copywrighting coin (with probable poor distribution) and we all know how they end up.  Mastercoin and Maidsafe are older examples.  Copywrighting coins all technically belong to the "Max Keiser" / "Max Coin" community, strong presence on YouTube and on copywrighting websites but the average person doesn't have time these days to watch boring long videos or read 2000 word articles about some coin.  

I think the conceptual error in marketing is that people will market their coin / product as the "second coming", when they should be marketing a relevant utility to the consumer.  People threw money at Dogecoin because it was a cute puppy meemee, it brought them that sort of utility.  People threw money at Litecoin, only thinking that it would make them a millionaire during the BTC boom in November.

In basically ALL businesses marketing is huge.  Many companies will spend more money on marketing than product development.  Let me say that again, it is more profitable to market a product than it is to actually develop a product.  That seems silly, right?  Wouldn't the best product win?  No, the product that wins is the product that is the best in the eyes of the public, not that actual best product.  The way to win the public is marketing.  

So....... NEM doesn't have a product right now?  Why then do marketing?  Let us look at a few examples.  There is CounterParty, Ethereum, NXT, and Bitshares.  These are all next generation platforms and are possible competitors to NEM.  Three of them have real products and have been developed by people who have real high tech skills. These are NXT, CounterParty, and Bitshares.  Actually, each of these products is very slick, even more so than bitcoin.  But....... none of them are actually worth much.  Why?  Because the people that made them are developers who don't know shit about anything else.  They are really smart people that just because they know one thing, think that they can make it.  They are sadly mistaken.  Being able to write code, doesn't make a product good.  Ethereum on the other hand doesn't even have a working product.  It is really just an idea that aims high and a ton of marketing.  It has professionals on board.  Not just professional coders, but professionals from every aspect and end of a business.  Yes, they are running it like a business, not some dudes writing code on their home computer at night and typing messages on a forum.  Writing code on your computer at night and typing messages on a forum just isn't enough to make it in today's world.  A product needs a lot more support than that.  

So Ethereum has no real working product yet, just an ideal and intense marketing by pros.  Can it be considered successful?  More successful than NXT, Bitshares, and CounterParty?  They are at least up and running with nice products.  If Ethereum were to have its fundraiser tomorrow, sheep from all over the crypto community would line up to throw money at them.  The Ethereum non-product is already worth way more than NXT, Bitshares, and CounterParty real products combined, and when it does come to market on day 1, it will have a market share that reflects this.  100% for sure.  

If NEM wants to be a real force.  It has a choice.  It can choose to be like Ethereum and bring on some pros, or at least some semi-pros into the team for marketing, finance, legal, creative, admin, strategist and so on.  Simply writing a good code won't do it.  

I really would hope that NEM would find people for the development team that could be advisers for each of these areas, and do it now.   Again, I would argue that in a market like crypto that is filled with pump and dump that professional or at least semi-professional marketers would be important.  A semi-pro can give NEM a huge advantage over helping boost NEM over other products that are being developed by great programmers that know little of marketing (I am talking about you NXT, Bitshares, and CounterParty).  

NEM doesn't even have a logo yet.  I know the development team wants to have a product first, but really that isn't how successful stories work.  Ethereum is being made by pros.  They had a slick webpage, logo, t-shirts, and smooth public speakers long before it has ever released a product.  The guys at Ethereum know exactly what they are doing.  It is counter-intuitive.  It doesn't seem like a slick logo and webpage are worth more than a slick product, but yes, they really are.  Again, it is not the best product that wins, but the product that is best in the eyes of the public.  The distinction shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it is indeed a huge deal.  

Making money is not about having a good product.  Making money is about making people "think" you have a good product.  Con-men have known this for ages and are quite successful because of it.  All big companies know this (these are in someways con-men too).  It seems like very few people in this forum really internalize this.  The fact that people even have to ask, "why market?" shows just how clueless people are.  I have no doubt that Okaynow is a very intelligent person and this is not a rant against Okaynow and in certain areas of discourse would school people with his/her knowledge.  This is more of a statement in general that very few people on these forums no shit about actually developing a successful product.  

oh no ... now there is yet another stone for "the impatients"

It's for inspiration. A future project. The pic is from the appleinsider article.

I dont see anything related to NEM, not even a word on the watch. Did you get some picture from somewhere?

Nice to see the enthusiasm in this thread! Now back to coding   ...

NEM smartwatch app. Keeping the dream alive.

http://cdn1.appleinsider.com/0204-iwatch-1.jpg

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/05/25/inside-the-iwatch-the-technology-apple-is-looking-at-for-your-wrist

In June, Samsung may unveil a "watch-phone", a smartwatch that can make or receive calls without having to be tethered to a mobile phone.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/23/samsung-mobilephone-idUSL1N0O911Q20140523

Microsoft files for smartwatch patent
money.cnn.com/2014/05/06/technology/innovation/microsoft-smartwatch/

I want NEM now, where's the whitepaper and technical stuff?, that's too technical i don't understand,  let's promote NEM wait what does it do again?,  Patience grasshopper 

Yep, thats the right Way!

Could someone please write a short re-write in note form, about what important happend about the last 15 Pages?
Haven't had the time to follow :/

Thanks

Greetz


BitZCoin

Dude if you are on this list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdFRROFFGVUpwcFFXcHVCdGc0a3NuQVE&usp=drive_web#gid=10
Then all is good but please try to catch up from page 1 
Not sure where you been but welcome 

Ok, thank you. I understand, but if you don't have one is not a problem for the future, right?

if memory serves this was implemented to deter fraudsters from trying to claim transactions.

Why in some stakeholders a hash/tx ID appears on the list and in others no?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdFRROFFGVUpwcFFXcHVCdGc0a3NuQVE&usp=drive_web#gid=10

Thank you.

This is pure fantasy.  There is no way it would have hit 300 million in such a short time. It's lucky to be even #4 right now -- despite lower volume trade than others since the launch (small distribution helped as prices were tightly controlled ).

Non-core "private" transaction mode is possible. It is probably not wise to have anything that risk NEM getting banned by some governments in the core protocol.  

Did you read NEM dev. contract and particularly NEM summary https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A9p6QZcUoDvezVMUsp2kYaF8g_jTNPFPL5e3Tli-jaI/edit#gid=2136040793

Because I put it there for your information and you should read it plus read all the out links in the document. All answers to your questions are there. Here are the pointers:

Read NEM timeline tab to see what to expect on the product launch. What are not written there, the core dev. can't answer here neither.

It is well known but read Community distribution tab to see how NEM inital fundraising went and what kind of stakeholder population we have.

Read Technical update to see big milestone technical update. The first development plan were authored by Jaguar and contributed by all core team. It was published on 2/9/2013 and we brainstormed for about 3-4 weeks before that. That's when you can say NEM started.

Read organization tab and also "letter of invitation" to know what kind of people we have.

AFTER reading all of these, please read the dev. contract again particular no. 4  

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19so-Jy3Gqw2KltZP-gaw3oFaHliN0OdtwZktOP4pCOQ/edit

4. The information in NEM summary should be self-sustained. The development team is under no obligation to provide extra information such as an exact release date of the software, team member personal information etc.

if yours questions belong to Extra information category then please don't insist.