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legendary
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Is NEM going to have anonymous transactions?

as far as I can tell probably not in V1 blockchain. (devs including me, are mostly against it).
hero member
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i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.

Just as I said....too many tech savvy people around here. Most of the times I really have no idea what you're talking about. Ok ask someone who is not in crypto to try and understand a few pages in this thread. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't understand.

does everyone understand how the internet works? tcp/ip? telecommunications? torrents? actually do you know how these things work? i didnt think so...

good counter-example,
it should stop evil trolls' avalanche Smiley


You just don't get it do you.
You are overlaoding people with too much difficulty.
Compare it with the other threads.
I'm not trolling here but as someone with zero knowledge programming skills I'm trying to understand this coin. It won't work if you keep on lecturing people about all the ins and outs.
Just my 2 cents.
Nxt was for example inaccesable for normal people because you had to dig very deep to be able to install the wallet, but it's not limited to the wallet only.


Actually, clearly you're the one who doesn't get it.

This coin is in development, sophisticated conversations are going to occur. Thats just how it works.


I get your point, you want a coin thats accessible -- we all do, especially if we want NEM to be a success, it has to be foolproof, far moreso than NXT, and even moreso than Bitcoin.

Right now though, development is still in progress, so expect some over the head discussions to occur; its certainly over mine on many occasions, even though i consider myself a very tech-savvy individual.


Anywhoo, on the subject of accessibility, i thought of something today:

Using my banks online banking feature, i noticed there's alot of features that crypto's could benefit from. Is there any crypto client out there which allows users to set up regular payment arrangements? (Think of Direct Debits, a fixed sum over a set period)

I really don't recall any crypto having any such sophisticated features in their client, perhaps this is something NEM could do? Just an idea. I'd seriously suggest that if anyone does any online banking with their FIAT, perhaps browse said sites to get any further inspiration to go towards NEM - it's worth throwing the idea's out at least.


Is NEM going to have anonymous transactions?

I would sincerely hope so. This is by far probably Crypto's biggest appeal; Darkcoins success speaks volumes for this.

Unfortunately, I think that if NEM doesn't have anonymous transactions, it will just be another coin.  Sorry, that's just the way I feel.
legendary
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I'll answer those which I know how to answer

whats the difference between unit tests and integration tests?

We're trying to follow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development model.

unit test are (hopefully) small units, that tries to test small pieces of actual code.
(like single method, or more precisely behaviour of a method).

unit tests should be run ALWAYS before pushing code to upstream.

integration tests are usually bigger and slower (in our case) they are run before package is being built.

does anyone know when the actual coding of nem started? when the first line was written?

12th Feb, 21:20:00 2014 UTC

edit That actually is first commit, not first line, but we can identify/treat it as "first line"


can someone remind me what NIC and NCC stand for? Roll Eyes

Nem Infrastracture Server, Nem Community Client

hero member
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i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.

Just as I said....too many tech savvy people around here. Most of the times I really have no idea what you're talking about. Ok ask someone who is not in crypto to try and understand a few pages in this thread. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't understand.

does everyone understand how the internet works? tcp/ip? telecommunications? torrents? actually do you know how these things work? i didnt think so...

good counter-example,
it should stop evil trolls' avalanche Smiley


You just don't get it do you.
You are overlaoding people with too much difficulty.
Compare it with the other threads.
I'm not trolling here but as someone with zero knowledge programming skills I'm trying to understand this coin. It won't work if you keep on lecturing people about all the ins and outs.
Just my 2 cents.
Nxt was for example inaccesable for normal people because you had to dig very deep to be able to install the wallet, but it's not limited to the wallet only.


Actually, clearly you're the one who doesn't get it.

This coin is in development, sophisticated conversations are going to occur. Thats just how it works.


I get your point, you want a coin thats accessible -- we all do, especially if we want NEM to be a success, it has to be foolproof, far moreso than NXT, and even moreso than Bitcoin.

Right now though, development is still in progress, so expect some over the head discussions to occur; its certainly over mine on many occasions, even though i consider myself a very tech-savvy individual. This is a good thing.


Anywhoo, on the subject of accessibility, i thought of something today:

Using my banks online banking feature, i noticed there's alot of features that crypto's could benefit from. Is there any crypto client out there which allows users to set up regular payment arrangements? (Think of Direct Debits, a fixed sum over a set period) You could even experiment further with different wallet types (Think of like Current Accounts, savings accounts, etc. Or in the case of Crypto's; more "anon" accounts/wallets)

Whats confusing, time consuming, and rather annoying for the average joe is that there's a coin for everything. Why not have a coin like NEM which has a plethora of features to suit most peoples need? (And yes, i'm aware this would be incredibly hard to code. I'm just throwing idea's out there).

I really don't recall any crypto having any such sophisticated features in their client, perhaps this is something NEM could do? Just an idea. I'd seriously suggest that if anyone does any online banking with their FIAT, perhaps browse said sites to get any further inspiration to go towards NEM - it's worth throwing the idea's out at least.


Is NEM going to have anonymous transactions?

I would sincerely hope so. This is by far probably Crypto's biggest appeal; Darkcoins success speaks volumes for this, nevermind what cryptocurrency is often traded for.
hero member
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Is NEM going to have anonymous transactions?
full member
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@kodtycoon

It's BASIC programming language. You're probably too young to see this. Good for you! Smiley
full member
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Nxt was for example inaccesable ..

Good thing that you used past tense as it's not true anymore.

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

There is also online wallet coming http://nextblocks.info/

Things take time.


Yes, things take time.

NEM announcement was 4 months ago.
When the dev work started... 2 months ago?  Not so long ago.

Are there faster coins?  ---copy coins not noticed.


It took too long before there was a user Nxt wallet and that's why people probably walked away, including me. Of course it had also to do with not being able to forge since there were accounts who forged almost all of it.
newbie
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Nxt was for example inaccesable ..

Good thing that you used past tense as it's not true anymore.

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

There is also online wallet coming http://nextblocks.info/

Things take time.

It's not magic.

Yes, things take time.

NEM announcement was 4 months ago.
When the dev work started... 2 months ago?  Not so long ago.

Are there faster coins?  ---copy coins not noticed.
sr. member
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DRAMA: Dumb Retards Asking More Attention

You just don't get it do you.
You are overlaoding people with too much difficulty.
Compare it with the other threads.
I'm not trolling here but as someone with zero knowledge programming skills I'm trying to understand this coin. It won't work if you keep on lecturing people about all the ins and outs.
Just my 2 cents.
Nxt was for example inaccesable for normal people because you had to dig very deep to be able to install the wallet, but it's not limited to the wallet only.


How could you possibly know anything about user friendliness.
It's not because this thread or NEM in general is complicated that it means anything with regards to the ease of use.

 Huh Huh Huh
hero member
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@gimre

thanks allot for that.. this will come in very handy

one question though!
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can i get a somewhat detailed idea of whats been happening behind the scenes for testing?
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10 compiling
20 testing
30 fixing
40 goto 10

are these percentages of what amount of work/time that is being put into each?

just line numbers of workflow.. as from from 40 you go back to 10
hero member
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PGP 9CB0902E
kodtycoon, i dont think they are percentages, they look like numbered lines, like in a coding environment  Grin
although that could be the 110 percent.
hero member
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Nxt was for example inaccesable ..

Good thing that you used past tense as it's not true anymore.

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

There is also online wallet coming http://nextblocks.info/

Things take time.

It's not magic.
hero member
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Merit: 500
PGP 9CB0902E
so what is being marketed?
"hey, look, we have a.. uhmm.. well.. aahhh, an idea" is the only thing we come up with?

someone ssaid nem is complicated, waht is complicated?
there is nothing in our hands who is complicated by nothing?

come on people, all of you that do some nem marketing
what are you saying to others?

how do you sell this, is there anyone that has anything honest?

i'm not expecting this from UP, he has proven (to me at least) more than enough, he had an idea, and he is seeing this through.
I'm also not trying to disegage, i hold a share of this, and i will like this taking off.

Also i am not directing these questions to the devs, they have so much on their hands, writing code from scratch and all, they should stick to that.

I am expecting some answers from all those users that are supposedly "marketing" this.
Since people here like to compare nem to nxt, ethereum or whatever comes to mind, hell, i would think that they have something to talk about and explain it to others and market the hell out of it.

I am asking all those super excited "nemsters" or "nemenems" to explain to us
what exactly are they marketing, and as what.

Since the dev team has not given us anything yet, what are you saying to others?
Are you sure you are not doing more bad than good?
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legendary
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i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


Even then it does not hurt to have a simplified explanation somewhere.
I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.

Just as I said....too many tech savvy people around here. Most of the times I really have no idea what you're talking about. Ok ask someone who is not in crypto to try and understand a few pages in this thread. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't understand.

does everyone understand how the internet works? tcp/ip? telecommunications? torrents? actually do you know how these things work? i didnt think so...
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.

Just as I said....too many tech savvy people around here. Most of the times I really have no idea what you're talking about. Ok ask someone who is not in crypto to try and understand a few pages in this thread. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't understand.

does everyone understand how the internet works? tcp/ip? telecommunications? torrents? actually do you know how these things work? i didnt think so...

good counter-example,
it should stop evil trolls' avalanche Smiley


You just don't get it do you.
You are overlaoding people with too much difficulty.
Compare it with the other threads.
I'm not trolling here but as someone with zero knowledge programming skills I'm trying to understand this coin. It won't work if you keep on lecturing people about all the ins and outs.
Just my 2 cents.
Nxt was for example inaccesable for normal people because you had to dig very deep to be able to install the wallet, but it's not limited to the wallet only.
hero member
Activity: 834
Merit: 524
Nxt NEM
i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.

Just as I said....too many tech savvy people around here. Most of the times I really have no idea what you're talking about. Ok ask someone who is not in crypto to try and understand a few pages in this thread. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't understand.

does everyone understand how the internet works? tcp/ip? telecommunications? torrents? actually do you know how these things work? i didnt think so...

good counter-example,
it should stop evil trolls' avalanche Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 378
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Step into a world!! A P2P world!
Why dont you update your signatures guys??!!

Use this at your profile info:


[b ][url =https://www.facebook.com/ourNEM?fref=ts]--> Nem on Facebook: [/url][/b]
[b ][url = Write here the hyperlink ] write here the words that will have a hyperlink to the previous address, just move out the space at start form "b" and "url" [/url][/b]

 Grin
full member
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Thx for the update > keep calm and code on  Smiley
legendary
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wow, so many question in single post. I'll answer some of them.

how many lines of code have been written so far?

Code:
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Language                     files          blank        comment           code
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Java                           207           2744           5448           9222 // NIS code
Java                            45            752           1020           283  // NCC code
Java                           179           5036           4729          15544 // unit tests
Java                             9            287            281           1111 // integration tests

can i get a somewhat detailed idea of whats been happening behind the scenes for testing?

10 compiling
20 testing
30 fixing
40 goto 10

number of servers being used?

actually not many, we're in phase 0, so there are 5-7 people running nodes (some run 2)

number of tests being ran per dat/week?
we run unittest all the time not per week. I've pasted some stats, (look at my posts) but haven't got the time to prepare them this week.
regarding alpha testing, we're doing tests every single day now.

how long the tests are running with out crashing/major bugs?
you mean alpha? there is no crashing per se, but we do have some (mostly silly) bugs.

any idea what month alpha will be in?
I personally hope next (Jul), but we have slow delay with UI, so I can't tell.

will we know more about the technical side of nem after alpha?
That depends, as I've mentioned earlier, we don't plan to publish Whitepaper until BETA is out. (mainly cause we don't want our ideas stolen).

(It's taking time to invent, test, polish things, it takes tenth of that time, to copy that)
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