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Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1563. (Read 2985369 times)

legendary
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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.

Who are they?
Where can they be found?
And what will be our approach?

Who are they? - Great programmers
Where can they be found? - Through our NEM Network
And what will be our approach? - Incentivize these great programmers with reward using unclaimed stakes, support AltNemo

If the above cannot be done, then we can talk until the cows come home and watch the world pass by us.

Amidst fuds and trollers, there are enough leaders and visionaries in NEM. We need "Indians" to work on projects.

Indians aren't the only programmers Wink

Everyone wants to be a chieftain.

But yes, we need programmers at the beginning to build things on top of NEM. I think finding CSC students at universities is a great way.
member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
Where are you guys trying to go with this discussion?

Please tie in where this debate can lead us that would make a positive impact on NEM.

Thanks

The basic jist is about how far we want to involve NEM with centralised institutions.

The causal bandying around of inaccurate statistics unchecked certainly won't help produce anything positive!
legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1016

Who are they?
Where can they be found?
And what will be our approach?

Who are they? - Great programmers
Where can they be found? - Through our NEM Network
And what will be our approach? - Incentivize these great programmers with reward using unclaimed stakes, support AltNemo

If the above cannot be done, then we can talk until the cows come home and watch the world pass by us.

Amidst fuds and trollers, there are enough leaders and visionaries in NEM. We need "Indians" to work on projects.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.
Guys, how about sending out PM's, so that stake holders actually know that phase 2 has started? I only found out through FaceBook that phase 2 started Tongue


i mailed pat about that already(about half an hour ago actually..) if he doesnt have time i should be able to send out.

OK, thats great.

Just for the info, Pat is sending PM's to NEM stakeholders right now.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
electroneum.com
While you are being a sour grape it seems like most people are welcoming this Fidor development on other websites I've read.  As Rockethead wrote: 2 million unhappy people want decentralized accounts while 7 billion are content with centralized accounts.
Not wanting to appear sour, but could you please explain to me how 7 billion people can be content with centralized bank accounts when approx 2.5 billion don't even have a bank account?

Apparently content enough that they cannot be bothered to get a Bitcoin wallet.  I've been to several developing countries and even in the towns and villages there was somebody with internet access and a computer.

You can even find pictures online of makeshift internet cafes in refugee camps and squalors.


Where are you guys trying to go with this discussion?

Please tie in where this debate can lead us that would make a positive impact on NEM.

Thanks because Im not being sarcastic, it just seems to be taking am argumentative tone, and Im sure that was not the intention when it started.
hero member
Activity: 756
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While you are being a sour grape it seems like most people are welcoming this Fidor development on other websites I've read.  As Rockethead wrote: 2 million unhappy people want decentralized accounts while 7 billion are content with centralized accounts.
Not wanting to appear sour, but could you please explain to me how 7 billion people can be content with centralized bank accounts when approx 2.5 billion don't even have a bank account?

Apparently content enough that they cannot be bothered to get a Bitcoin wallet.  I've been to several developing countries and even in the towns and villages there was somebody with internet access and a computer.

You can even find pictures online of makeshift internet cafes in refugee camps and squalors.
member
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While you are being a sour grape it seems like most people are welcoming this Fidor development on other websites I've read.  As Rockethead wrote: 2 million unhappy people want decentralized accounts while 7 billion are content with centralized accounts.

Not wanting to appear sour, but could you please explain to me how 7 billion people can be content with centralized accounts when approx 2.5 billion don't even have a bank account?
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
electroneum.com
Let's do this.

What kind of person, or groups of people, would be inclined to further research crypto if they heard about it?

Where are those people?

How do we get in touch with them?

This is a very simplified version of what every company that successfully gains new customers does.

This information needs to be broken down.

Does someone out there have any experience in this?

For NEM to be successful, it needs a superior product. This is done.

NEM needs capable leaders. Again, "check"

For NEM to be successful it must bring in people that have no idea about crypto into its community.

This is a discussion we should start having.
Let's not jump all over each others case, and just freely brainstorm. How do we target those who are the type that would be interested.

Like I said.

Who are they?
Where can they be found?
And what will be our approach?
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 506
In what context does the statement correlate to Stockholm syndrome reaction? Care to elaborate?

I was referencing the numerous calls for banker involvement in this discussion, not makoto1337's statement.

Have you ever felt that you're being held hostage by the banking system or think it possible to identify with your aggressor in an attempt to defend one's ego?

On a side note... has a vote by stake holders in relation to unclaimed stakes been discussed yet?

OK point taken on the Stockholm Syndrome. I would use Rockethead approach. Work with them usurp them and then reign over. Wink

The unclaimed stakes are still actively being discussed in the NEM forum. You may want to hop over there to see what have been discussed. The direction is to take these out of the control of Devs and the general consensus appears to be leaning towards ecosystem development and building beyond what the devs are delivering.

https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2501.0



Bankers are not popular on this forum but most of this is about commercial bankers like Goldman Sachs and government central banks.   Granted our neighbourhood banks are also producing some inflation but we ordinary persons at least get some tangible benefit from them like financing & credit and safe accounting.


While you are being a sour grape it seems like most people are welcoming this Fidor development on other websites I've read.  As Rockethead wrote: 2 million unhappy people want decentralized accounts while 7 billion are content with centralized accounts.


The biggest hiccup with digital currencies is people think it is unsafe and they'll lose their funds to a hacker, a hard drive crash or the theft of their computer by a burglar.  Heck what if your phone is your wallet and you lose that to a simple street mugger or you accidentally dropped your phone into the river?

This fear is essentially removed if a regulated reliable bank will hold your coins, has more SSL than the SS themselves and will reimburse you in event of a freak hack or fraud.

This is in nutshell why the original banks were formed, to protect people's money and later on they evolved to provide services.


When I think of digital currencies only having these 2 million users (at best) when the technology should be used by 100 million to 1 billion, I think it's worth a chance to give these third party crypto banks a chance.  It's quite possible mainstreet will never come into digital currencies until they think it is a 110% safe to deposit their earnings and that level of safety / guarantee is likely only possible through a regulated crypto bank.


legendary
Activity: 1059
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In what context does the statement correlate to Stockholm syndrome reaction? Care to elaborate?

I was referencing the numerous calls for banker involvement in this discussion, not makoto1337's statement.

Have you ever felt that you're being held hostage by the banking system or think it possible to identify with your aggressor in an attempt to defend one's ego?

On a side note... has a vote by stake holders in relation to unclaimed stakes been discussed yet?

OK point taken on the Stockholm Syndrome. I would use Rockethead approach. Work with them usurp them and then reign over. Wink

The unclaimed stakes are still actively being discussed in the NEM forum. You may want to hop over there to see what have been discussed. The direction is to take these out of the control of Devs and the general consensus appears to be leaning towards ecosystem development and building beyond what the devs are delivering.

https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2501.0

member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
In what context does the statement correlate to Stockholm syndrome reaction? Care to elaborate?

I was referencing the numerous calls for banker involvement in this discussion, not makoto1337's statement.

Have you ever felt that you're being held hostage by the banking system or think it possible to identify with your aggressor in an attempt to defend one's ego?

On a side note... has a vote by stake holders in relation to unclaimed stakes been discussed yet?
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1001
mining is so 2012-2013
Do we actually have to keep on downloading these things or does our monitor update?

Already lost a testnet account with like 8 million NEM in it.   Cry

It should auto-update but webstart still seems to have some problems on some systems.

Great update by the devs!

I am using Windows 8.1 and I double clicked on the NOM icon in Metro.  NEM started with a single cick, updated to 0.4.17 automatically, and is running smooth.  All my coins and transaction history are there exactly as before.  I can confirm that I was able to switch to pirate language and other languages and back to English just fine. 
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
What profit was there for CfP holders?  I can't do much with a thousand bucks.   Most of us have probably lost money on $hitcoins sometime in the past and for a lot of people (without knowing their trade history) that would offset any unrealized gains from holding NEMstake.  Not speaking from experience as my unrealized net gains are in the green but it's nothing life changing and I don't see why somebody would be envious.  No envy movement.


CfP and Asset exchange buyers are pretty much the same people.  My only regret is NEMstake isn't more cheaper because that would probably help distribution (note I said cheaper and not cheap or free)


Yes. Simply redistributing/burning unclaimed stakes/socks will be the equivalent of us walking or crawling a little faster.

NEM needs to transcend walking or crawling and grow wings to fly. That can only be done with a clear vision for an end game and the participation of many diverse people working together. That is what a movement is all about.
legendary
Activity: 882
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Reading  comments from some NEM main members questioning people's reading skills/intelligence because they don't know what to do is rather insulting. What if english is not someone's first language? How are they able to follow this maze of information?

Point me to that post.

These are just two that I found quickly, but there are more:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9369257

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9298104

I agree that things are confusing. It would be nice if we could update the homepage to clearly list redemption info.

This page that xtester put together should help simplify, though, so please spread it around: https://medium.com/@xtester/updated-phase-2-redemption-guide-401e63b43344

Deadline is Nov 22 for stake redemption.
a Deadline  is must for all of us to be ready for the official launch.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
I would really rather the rich not get richer (I am an original stake holder here btw).  

I would really like to see the extra NEM put in a system that promotes the ecosystem.  

I am hoping we can figure out a good plan to put the NEM to use in a way that makes the entire NEM system better.  

Rockethead talked about the long game.  I think this is right on point.  

We can just give the money equally to the people who hold on BTT and the people that bought on AE and make them richer, or we can burn the stakes which essentially does the same thing.  We could also just give the main devs as a big bonus.  They have worked really hard to make this and probably deserve it, but I don't want to do any of these things.

I want to see extra NEM get paid forward and be used to make NEM a much stronger ecosystem down the road.  And yes, the end result is that the original BTT stakeholders, and the AE stake buyers, and even the devs will be much better off.

Do you know the "Marshmallow Experiment"?  It was conducted at Stanford by famous professors.  They found that little children that could see the long game and could delay their gratification for a bigger reward went on to be much more successful in life as adults.  We need to be the good kids in the Marshmallow Experiment here and believe that in the long run, we are better off by not trying to make ourselves richer, but by trying to get other people and third party devs into NEM.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

why not give the rest away to new users? wouldnt it be in the interest of NEM to reach as many people as possible?

No, as continuously giving away coins mean that existing owners (especially those who paid for it on Nxt AE)  continue to lose money. We had one IPO -- not a hundred where you continue to give away coins forever. The new users should buy it . There should be reasons that they should be tempted to buy it.  

Aruracoin gave the whole country of Iceland "free" coins. It didn't gain "users" -- instead it killed aruracoin as those who got it for free immediately dumped them for BTC. Aurora is dead now.



i think you are pointing out a very valid conflict with free ipos. some people got it for free(or a minimal pocket change) at the start cause they were lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time, and the rest gets kinda left behind. so basically some get gifted, some not. that makes it even harder to convince people to invest into something, others got for nearly free.

This makes it necessary that you offer really strong reasons for new people to join the movement! Its hard to convince people to join something that gives and in the process of it give someone else a 1000% profit on his investment. Not to say its not gonna work! Wink

All for the same reason why  unclaimed and sock coins should not be burnt. It will only consolidate the holdings of the balance of NS to a better position when most got them for literally next to nothing.

Agree. It would be better to actually use the non-claimed stakes for something useful that boosts the project in one way or another.

I think you have a simple conflict here.. people who already got their cheap stakes and want to have even more profit vs. people who stumbled upon NEM at a later point in time and want to join the movement without spending lots more than the original stakeholders. Id say its a basic greed game...

im quite excited how this one plays out Wink

Absolutely, friggin' spot on.

The devs are going to have to look deep, really make a hard decision that truely benefits the project, because there will be alot of people who will be biased for their own gains - even those once thought of as prudent and honest. Baring in mind what you said, I propose that devs take things discussed with a pinch of salt.


This is a very important post! We definitely need to look at the "end game" and figure out how to get there.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
Reading  comments from some NEM main members questioning people's reading skills/intelligence because they don't know what to do is rather insulting. What if english is not someone's first language? How are they able to follow this maze of information?

Point me to that post.

These are just two that I found quickly, but there are more:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9369257

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9298104

I agree that things are confusing. It would be nice if we could update the homepage to clearly list redemption info.

This page that xtester put together should help simplify, though, so please spread it around: https://medium.com/@xtester/updated-phase-2-redemption-guide-401e63b43344

Deadline is Nov 22 for stake redemption.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
I don't really understand why people want to just duplicate existing fiat systems here in the crypto world. Shouldn't we be trying to thinking of better systems that won't enslave all of humanity?

This is a classic Stockholm syndrome reaction.

So how much of NEM's soul needs to be sold for that slot in the limelight?  

Credit & Financing came before the existing fiat systems.  Credit & Financing is something which goes back several millennia and it is a requirement for most entrepreneurial activity.    You need an institutionalized middle man to do risk assessment and to loan out capital to entrepreneurs.

Where the enslavement part comes is the lack of sound money and the subsequent inflation & stagflation.   


Credit/financing can be done using crypto in a decentralized way, without resorting to monolithic centralization.

We could probably use NEM business rules to let people do micro loans to others and receive small payments/interest in return. Trust could be handled based on public feedback and also importance score could be used as part of a rating system. This rating system could be a layer built on top of NEM, but the actual financing would be P2P, decentralized. With such a system, people could still get financing to build new things and the world would be flatter.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1000
I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
I still cannot change languages. Click on any and nothing happens. If I close ncc and open it again - the whole text dissappears from everywhere
It works fine here.

Changing languages works fine in 0.4.17. However, traditional Chinese seems to have some trouble, so I am looking into that.
hero member
Activity: 1005
Merit: 500
Beta 0.4.17 works very well, Great work Team Dev  Smiley
if any member of the Portuguese language need help let me know

Beta 0.4.17 funciona muito bem, Grande trabalho time desenvolvedor  Smiley
se algum membro de língua portuguesa precisar de ajuda me avise
legendary
Activity: 1059
Merit: 1016
Reading  comments from some NEM main members questioning people's reading skills/intelligence because they don't know what to do is rather insulting. What if english is not someone's first language? How are they able to follow this maze of information?

Point me to that post.

These are just two that I found quickly, but there are more:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9369257

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9298104

You are vindictive aren't you? You carried another name here before in the NEM forum?

You sure act like a kid who's been deprived of his candy.
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