NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1677.

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Quote from: cryptofutureis on October 12, 2014, 12:08:21 PM

Quote from: patmast3r on October 12, 2014, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: cryptofutureis on October 12, 2014, 11:48:02 AM

Quote from: rockethead on October 10, 2014, 06:02:46 AM

Quote from: maruosch on October 10, 2014, 05:27:09 AM

Hi all,

quick question: The possibility to claim NEM´s with an nemstake from the nxt-assetechxange ist not ready there? When will i be able to do that?

Thank you

Read this under phase 2.

https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef

https://secretaddress.com not working for me.

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Can't establish a connection to the server at secretaddress.com.

the actual address is still a secret.. Hence secretaddress.com

The real address will be posted soon. Wink

This makes me glad that we replaced NXT-ADD-RES-STB-DET with "an address to be announced".

Tried https://chain.nem.ninja/stakes/ ended with "You have been banned. Too many failed attempts." after second captcha solving. I forgot to enable cookies in first attempt. More above certificate is self-signed, is that sha256 fingerprint correct:

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EA:F3:63:A2:E8:01:AB:0B:47:CB:33:F7:BE:1B:06:A9:F4:BD:F2:A0:C4:6F:D4:61:B5:D7:A1:E0:D8:9F:F6:34

The someone else (or you Tongue

) with the same has tried 8 more times with the same IP. Are you using VPN, TOR or a proxy ?

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Quote from: patmast3r on October 12, 2014, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: cryptofutureis on October 12, 2014, 11:48:02 AM

Quote from: rockethead on October 10, 2014, 06:02:46 AM

Quote from: maruosch on October 10, 2014, 05:27:09 AM

Hi all,

quick question: The possibility to claim NEM´s with an nemstake from the nxt-assetechxange ist not ready there? When will i be able to do that?

Thank you

Read this under phase 2.

https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef

https://secretaddress.com not working for me.

Quote

Can't establish a connection to the server at secretaddress.com.

the actual address is still a secret.. Hence secretaddress.com

The real address will be posted soon. Wink

This makes me glad that we replaced NXT-ADD-RES-STB-DET with "an address to be announced".

Tried https://chain.nem.ninja/stakes/ ended with "You have been banned. Too many failed attempts." after second captcha solving. I forgot to enable cookies in first attempt. More above certificate is self-signed, is that sha256 fingerprint correct:

Quote

EA:F3:63:A2:E8:01:AB:0B:47:CB:33:F7:BE:1B:06:A9:F4:BD:F2:A0:C4:6F:D4:61:B5:D7:A1:E0:D8:9F:F6:34

patmast3r

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: cryptofutureis on October 12, 2014, 11:48:02 AM

Quote from: rockethead on October 10, 2014, 06:02:46 AM

Quote from: maruosch on October 10, 2014, 05:27:09 AM

Hi all,

quick question: The possibility to claim NEM´s with an nemstake from the nxt-assetechxange ist not ready there? When will i be able to do that?

Thank you

Read this under phase 2.

https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef

https://secretaddress.com not working for me.

Quote

Can't establish a connection to the server at secretaddress.com.

the actual address is still a secret.. Hence secretaddress.com

The real address will be posted soon. Wink

This makes me glad that we replaced NXT-ADD-RES-STB-DET with "an address to be announced".

cryptofutureis

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Quote from: rockethead on October 10, 2014, 06:02:46 AM

Quote from: maruosch on October 10, 2014, 05:27:09 AM

Hi all,

quick question: The possibility to claim NEM´s with an nemstake from the nxt-assetechxange ist not ready there? When will i be able to do that?

Thank you

Read this under phase 2.

https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef

https://secretaddress.com not working for me.

Quote

Can't establish a connection to the server at secretaddress.com.

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Quote from: nottrulyevil on October 12, 2014, 06:58:00 AM

Quote from: lovely89 on October 12, 2014, 06:46:17 AM

Regarding the unclaimed stskes, has anyone suggested a dutch auction with proof of burn? Or equal distribution of them to all holders of nem on a specific date and time.

These are the only two fair distributions imo.

Yes, those two options have been suggested but for various reasons been rejected. An equal distribution would create tons of problems (how to handle those who've sold on the NXT AE etc.) and the stake holders already have enough NEM (NEM need to be spread).

Burning the NEM is in my option still an acceptable solution but it has also been rejected.

Jyrvalor posted an imo great proposal (although not sure how, and if it should/can be implemented).

https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2501.msg6395#msg6395

Your idea with the developement token is simply awesome. Just read your full post on NEM forum and can only agree with you!

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Hi, i create a thread for speculation, If feel free to vote/comment.
https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2508.0

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Has anyone made an announcement on the Chinese, Indian, Russian, Reddit, etc threads about claiming stakes?

Logic would say that IF people knew they had a $1000 stake for just logging into a site they would so obviously they haven't become aware of it for whatever reason......or are dead.

xtester

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Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.

We should do well to get this over with and continue our way toward the launch. I'm sure we'll be able to find a good enough option as with everything until now.

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Quote from: Momimaus on October 12, 2014, 09:29:10 AM

Quote from: NEM minnow on October 12, 2014, 08:19:00 AM

How many stakes are already meant to be given to developers and marketing and can anybody tell me how that breakdown will look? Roll Eyes

I heard devs will get 400 shares? Is that right?
And how many devs is that split between?

Originally there were 1,000 NEM shares set aside for non-stake holders. Is this still true?

It would be nice to know the number breakdowns.

It is always pretty quit if someone is asking this.

I think dev team has got 1000 stakes. Additionally maybe the unclaimed stakes.
That´s way to much centralisiation, especially for a so called movement.
The rich are getting richer, that´s the argument of devs if you suggest to give the stakeholders more coins, but 25% of all is not enough for development?
Centralisation = insane high risk

They are not going into the hands of the devs. Being used for development and being given to the devs are 2 different things.
Anyway even that is not decided but rest assured that we as well want to avoid centralization.

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Quote from: NEM minnow on October 12, 2014, 08:19:00 AM

How many stakes are already meant to be given to developers and marketing and can anybody tell me how that breakdown will look? Roll Eyes

I heard devs will get 400 shares? Is that right?
And how many devs is that split between?

Originally there were 1,000 NEM shares set aside for non-stake holders. Is this still true?

It would be nice to know the number breakdowns.

It is always pretty quit if someone is asking this.

I think dev team has got 1000 stakes. Additionally maybe the unclaimed stakes.
That´s way to much centralisiation, especially for a so called movement.
The rich are getting richer, that´s the argument of devs if you suggest to give the stakeholders more coins, but 25% of all is not enough for development?
Centralisation = insane high risk

rabbiter

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When will we most likely get our coins?

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Quote from: psybits on October 12, 2014, 07:52:13 AM

Quote from: yshin365new on October 11, 2014, 07:18:14 PM

But it may have a problem of a lawsuit by stakeholders who did not receive coins in the future when NEM value is incredibly high.

Who exactly would that lawsuit be directed at? The NEM community? NEM is not a company. And I guess it wouldn't be any problem to refund those people with what they originally paid to get a stake.

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How many stakes are already meant to be given to developers and marketing and can anybody tell me how that breakdown will look? Roll Eyes

I heard devs will get 400 shares? Is that right?
And how many devs is that split between?

Originally there were 1,000 NEM shares set aside for non-stake holders. Is this still true?

It would be nice to know the number breakdowns.

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Quote from: psybits on October 12, 2014, 07:52:13 AM

Quote from: yshin365new on October 11, 2014, 07:18:14 PM

But it may have a problem of a lawsuit by stakeholders who did not receive coins in the future when NEM value is incredibly high.

Like TaunSew suggested it may also have legal implications to prolong the remdeption period.
The truth is cryptoland used to be the wild west.
If it is the best thing legally to end redemption at launch then that's what we'll do.

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Quote from: yshin365new on October 11, 2014, 07:18:14 PM

But it may have a problem of a lawsuit by stakeholders who did not receive coins in the future when NEM value is incredibly high.

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Quote from: psybits on October 12, 2014, 02:44:49 AM

Quote from: sdersdf3 on October 12, 2014, 02:30:33 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on October 12, 2014, 02:23:47 AM

To calm this discussion down.
We are discussion the option to redeem stakes longer than we had planed and even after launch but for a fee as solix suggested.
Meaning the longer the people fail to redeem the fewer NEM they get. What they don't get goes into development, marketing and whatnot.
It will not be a year. Are you guys delusional ? I'm sorry i don't mean to be disrespectfull but that's pure insanity. A year ? What value could those people be to NEM if they only care to check in every year ?

Seems like a good compromise - would also suggest putting the deadline (the deadline before the fee starts being applied) in the title and OP of all NEM threads. Make it as hard as possible for those who don't claim to ever say they were treated unfairly, didn't know and couldn't have known without digging through tons of NEM posts/threads.

These people who forgot about their stake could bring a lot of value to NEM.

笑

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Quote from: patmast3r on October 12, 2014, 02:41:39 AM

Quote from: sdersdf3 on October 12, 2014, 02:30:33 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on October 12, 2014, 02:23:47 AM

To calm this discussion down.
We are discussion the option to redeem stakes longer than we had planed and even after launch but for a fee as solix suggested.
Meaning the longer the people fail to redeem the fewer NEM they get. What they don't get goes into development, marketing and whatnot.
It will not be a year. Are you guys delusional ? I'm sorry i don't mean to be disrespectfull but that's pure insanity. A year ? What value could those people be to NEM if they only care to check in every year ?

Seems like a good compromise - would also suggest putting the deadline (the deadline before the fee starts being applied) in the title and OP of all NEM threads. Make it as hard as possible for those who don't claim to ever say they were treated unfairly, didn't know and couldn't have known without digging through tons of NEM posts/threads.

If it does come to that I'll probably let the spambot loose one more time on all not registered people.

I'd probably spam the non-registered people every week from now on.

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Quote from: yshin365new on October 11, 2014, 07:18:14 PM

Do you really want the number 4 billion? 4 means death in a lot of cultures.

It's true.
Especially in China, 4 is the worst number.
It equals to the 13th Friday in Western.

Edit/I basically agree to investment fund.
But it may have a problem of a lawsuit by stakeholders who did not receive coins in the future when NEM value is incredibly high.
Burning them erases this problem in advance.
Burning them will prevent this probable lawsuit and also result in investment fund increase in the end.(by the scarcity of NEM and high value of each NEM.)

I don't like the number 4 billion, tbh, but people will start to burn NEM, etc, after launch, so there will be less than 4 billion.

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Quote from: nottrulyevil on October 12, 2014, 06:58:00 AM

Quote from: lovely89 on October 12, 2014, 06:46:17 AM

Regarding the unclaimed stskes, has anyone suggested a dutch auction with proof of burn? Or equal distribution of them to all holders of nem on a specific date and time.

These are the only two fair distributions imo.

Yes, those two options have been suggested but for various reasons been rejected. An equal distribution would create tons of problems (how to handle those who've sold on the NXT AE etc.) and the stake holders already have enough NEM (NEM need to be spread).

Burning the NEM is in my option still an acceptable solution but it has also been rejected.

Jyrvalor posted an imo great proposal (although not sure how, and if it should/can be implemented).

https://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=2501.msg6395#msg6395

It is a really good idea. It is the exact middle ground between redistribution to all the stakeholders and using the coins for development. It also puts the power firmly in the hands of the community down to the micro level as to how and when the coins are spent.

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patmaster: How could claiming be automated for a year? ...

Ok... I thought that a month or a year would be just a parameter in NEM system, but obviously I dont know enuh

i understand ur and some others concern about keeping coins for nothing a year
but cud there still be some kind of "interest" which cud be paid for a late-claimer? For example if NEM uses his coins for a year for develop and marketing etc, and then he comes back and claims his stake, then he is given ** something ** .. at least he cant blame that NEM took all of his fortune

thx for ur response Cheesy

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