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Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1681. (Read 2985503 times)

hero member
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When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

Why don't you think there is a not good chance that will happen? All BTT messages are archived on some hard drive. The BTT owner can already do that, so can everyone with access to that machine, not just now but someday in future one or two year from now.   How are you putting the entire fate of nem in the hands of people you don't know? Why the heck anyone should buy nem when it's fate  is totally insecure with future influx of "billion" nem from unknown people?

I don't care how long you want that wait to continue. Nem should not launch until this issue is settled.
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When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.

They said they would offer a refund.
legendary
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When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.

That is the first good argument I have heard for having a time limit on claiming the stakes. One month is still too short we need to give people more time ...

EDIT: Although I don't think there is a good chance that would happen.
hero member
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When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

You keep ignoring the fact that leaving 100s of stakes open forever means that there is good chance someone with access to BTT server will have power to steal these stakes and kill/crash nem completely. How is that crypto?  The fate of unclaimed stakes must be decided before the distribution.
hero member
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NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

failing to collect something you have purchased does not equal the merchant stealing. if you place a deposit on an item in a shop, the shop will tell you that you have x days or weeks to pay the full amount or you lose the deposit. i dont see the difference. the people who joined this movement did not purchase coins because it was not an ipo. they payed a registration fee to join this movement so its not theft if they fail to be active and in turn lose the right to membership. this redemption of stakes can be considered more of a redemption of membership. if you fail to redeem your membership you lose the benefits of being a member - in this case it just happens that the perk of being a member is getting some nem.

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?

It was very much established from the outset that this was a call for participation in the Movement. If you dont participate you lose your membership .
legendary
Activity: 1386
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People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

failing to collect something you have purchased does not equal the merchant stealing. if you place a deposit on an item in a shop, the shop will tell you that you have x days or weeks to pay the full amount or you lose the deposit. i dont see the difference. the people who joined this movement did not purchase coins because it was not an ipo. they payed a registration fee to join this movement so its not theft if they fail to be active and in turn lose the right to membership. this redemption of stakes can be considered more of a redemption of membership. if you fail to redeem your membership you lose the benefits of being a member - in this case it just happens that the perk of being a member is getting some nem.

When people paid to buy a NEM stake I don't remember there being a time limit to claim the stake. It is just my opinion but I think we all need to keep grounded and not lose sight of common sense values (such as if someone pays for something it belongs to them). Otherwise what kind of movement are we really creating?
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.

People have not invested fully till they have registered their stake....they may be entitled to a refund if they provide proof of who they are.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1000
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......

NEM can still launch fine .. stealing from people who have invested money in NEM is wrong.
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...

' when they decide to check' .... I repeat, we cant dilly dally on our way.......
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1000
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!

There are people out there who don't live glued to this forum, and who we are stealing from if we don't give them their share when they decide to check what NEM is up to...
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry

The New Economy Movement is on its way , we cant be dilly dallying.....!!!!!!!
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1000
People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.

Well if the process was somehow automated for the next steps, hopefully no one would get an embolism  Cheesy

It should be much longer than a month or there are going to be some seriously disappointed and angry people in a months time. No one wants that  Cry
jr. member
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Dear community,

I would like to point out the following situation:

Some members who have applied to join the New Economic Movement have lost access to their BTT account.

In a few cases, these same people have made contact with the development team with a second (new) account in order to claim their token.

I have come up with a simple system in which these tokens can be reclaimed by the rightful owner without risking the original owner getting scammed.


System:  Grin


The developers assign two types of priorities to the following accounts:


Priority 1 (highest priority): The original (lost) BTT account.

Priority 2 (lowest priority): The new BTT account.



Then, whenever someone claims to have lost access to an account, the developers would have to carefully inspect the case and hand over a so called "temporary token".

If the original owner claims the token from the original account at a later point in time, the developers would have to remove the "temporary token" from the list and blacklist the person who had claimed a "temporary token".

If the original owner is in fact the same person as the one who claimed the "temporary token", the stake has found it's way back to it's owner.

With this simple system, you can help those who are in a bad situation while preventing any scam.



Feedback is welcome!

Your simple system serves thief who made a mirror image of the BTT site and stole many accounts - each ho claim if him account is stolen must prove that the account is stolen by a signed message from NXT or Bitcoin account/address or other acceptable way for developers.
hero member
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People should have a year to claim their stakes...

Are you trying to give patmast3r an embolism?   Cheesy
Cheesy I even disagree with the guy but am starting to feel bad for him.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1000
I think this whole discussion is becoming a huge distraction. We will have another discussion with the dev team and try to come up with a plan or a solution regarding the unclaimed stakes problem.

Let's not get carried away and forget that beta and official launch are pretty close now. Both the dev team and marketing team are working to prepare some good stuff for the launch. As for dumps and other stuff, I think people will get a good idea what NEM is all about once we start delivering.

People should have a year to claim their stakes - after that the NEM gets used for something else.

You guys are doing an amazing job. Can't wait to see what's in store xtester!
newbie
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Do you really think Chinese don't know about Vpn's? Cmon guys...
About hacked, stolen & lost accounts, really this is getting boring...i start to think this is just some bs to get some free stakes.
Anyway if You lost your account it's your fault. Devs should focus on more important stuff!
How can somebody get a free stake ? The only way right now is to buy one AE as some have.
Vpns do these reside in the country of origin and used to magically bypass enforcement.

How many fringe routers would it take to control internet access to China. 10000 5000 1000 50 or less than 25 that is a question.
hero member
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I think this whole discussion is becoming a huge distraction. We will have another discussion with the dev team and try to come up with a plan or a solution regarding the unclaimed stakes problem.

Let's not get carried away and forget that beta and official launch are pretty close now. Both the dev team and marketing team are working to prepare some good stuff for the launch. As for dumps and other stuff, I think people will get a good idea what NEM is all about once we start delivering.
hero member
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Do you really think Chinese don't know about Vpn's? Cmon guys...
About hacked, stolen & lost accounts, really this is getting boring...i start to think this is just some bs to get some free stakes.
Anyway if You lost your account it's your fault. Devs should focus on more important stuff!

Many people missed NXT distribution, despite registering, and this also occurred with many many coins.   Heck there were probably people back in 2009 / 2010 who got free BTC (even large amounts in the 100s and 1000s) and ignored it.


I think it was decided long ago what should be done with unclaimed stakes and the consensus was largely the same, so it's not really up to discussion anymore.  You yelling what you want, and how it is unfair that you're not getting it,  isn't a discussion.  This is the case of a vocal minority who apparently wants free or cheap stakes.



Point taken. I will just be satisfied our opinion was heard. Thanks.
hero member
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We are playing like broken records.  I already said other coins had a cut off and it didn't result in any controversy.  You snooze you lose.  We already have Chinese NEMsters who've commented on here and on the NEM forum after China blocked BTT.

 Before China blocked BTT there were other coins where many people missed distributions, like those 14 people in NXT (IIRC) or the 200 in NODE


"You snooze you lose..." Wow how New Economy Movement of you.

The New Economy Movement will not make it EASY for everybody. Just sitting back and expecting everything to go great for you just doesnt work. Intense competition is a pre-requisite to an overall healthy economy. Progress can be made under intense competition but there are winners and losers, thats life and the guys that sit on their fat asses and do nothing are usually the losers.

Can we have your contact information to forward to the first person that comes here and finds his stake was given away? We need someone to at least answer to those people if it happens. I assume that would be you?

They can pm me and I'll gladly explain to them that investing and never checking in doesn't work. Fair disitribution doesn't mean we're going to drive home to everyone asking them to please have the decency to take those 1000 $ we're offering them.

This does $1000 come with a T-Shirt and free chocolate mints?  Maybe even a song and dance "Your NEM!  Your NEM!  P-O-I! P-O-I. . have some NEM... buy some NEM... NEM TIME!", you can have of those confetti launchers shooting off.

Did those stake holders give you money or are they getting those stakes for free? Maybe they did "check in" the first 2-3 times this coin was delayed?

I am here and getting my coins so it is of no pain to me what happens, but it sure seems wrong to not at least refund their initial investment if there was one.

There was a refund period and some people did get refunded.
Would you like to point me to the point in time where NEM was delayed multiple times ?

You know it's obvious you have an aversion towards NEM. Why don't you just leave ?

I love NEM, I don't like the idea of the deadline to claim stakes.
hero member
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We are playing like broken records.  I already said other coins had a cut off and it didn't result in any controversy.  You snooze you lose.  We already have Chinese NEMsters who've commented on here and on the NEM forum after China blocked BTT.

 Before China blocked BTT there were other coins where many people missed distributions, like those 14 people in NXT (IIRC) or the 200 in NODE


"You snooze you lose..." Wow how New Economy Movement of you.

The New Economy Movement will not make it EASY for everybody. Just sitting back and expecting everything to go great for you just doesnt work. Intense competition is a pre-requisite to an overall healthy economy. Progress can be made under intense competition but there are winners and losers, thats life and the guys that sit on their fat asses and do nothing are usually the losers.

Can we have your contact information to forward to the first person that comes here and finds his stake was given away? We need someone to at least answer to those people if it happens. I assume that would be you?

They can pm me and I'll gladly explain to them that investing and never checking in doesn't work. Fair disitribution doesn't mean we're going to drive home to everyone asking them to please have the decency to take those 1000 $ we're offering them.

This does $1000 come with a T-Shirt and free chocolate mints?  Maybe even a song and dance "Your NEM!  Your NEM!  P-O-I! P-O-I. . have some NEM... buy some NEM... NEM TIME!", you can have of those confetti launchers shooting off.

Did those stake holders give you money or are they getting those stakes for free? Maybe they did "check in" the first 2-3 times this coin was delayed?

I am here and getting my coins so it is of no pain to me what happens, but it sure seems wrong to not at least refund their initial investment if there was one.

There was a refund period and some people did get refunded.
Would you like to point me to the point in time where NEM was delayed multiple times ?

You know it's obvious you have an aversion towards NEM. Why don't you just leave ?
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