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Topic: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE - page 47. (Read 29513 times)

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April 08, 2018, 10:35:35 AM
Probably be the first and last time I post here, but hasn't really been mentioned much after reading all 40 something pages.

You realize the ONLY reason you guys are talking about Verge is because some kid named Peter from Austin, TX (allegedly) who goes by the name of @XVGWhaleReal, actually posted screenshots (this was Christmas Eve, Dec. 2017) of his text conversation with McAfee, discussing his paying $100k for McAfee to tweet about Verge.

Then when the MC of Verge blew up bigger than they could have imagined, McAfee got enraged and demanded more money, or else he was going to destroy them.  (it wasn't those actual words, but it was still some grandiose shit indicative of megalomania - and funny to boot!)

Peter claimed his account was hacked, and then started this one: https://twitter.com/XVGWhaleReal/

Explained better than I can, here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9ZLQpZwZg

BIGGEST DEAL IN CRYPTO MOTHERFUCKERS!

Little chronological  summary.

-Undelivered half of June 2017 roadmap
-Wraith (stealth adressesing) hype for half year as game changing tech, even with fake countdown website
-Coinpouchapp 134millions xvg hack
-McAfee paid tweet pump
-official xvg Twitter account and main dev Twitter account hacked
- announcement of mysterious "deal of century" partnership, collected 75millions xvg, 60millions from Tokenpay ICO where main XVG dev is team member
-successful 51% attack on xvg blockchain, lost tens of millions xvg
-unintentionally hardforked

WHAT A TIMELINE.
Solid project.
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April 08, 2018, 10:24:28 AM
Probably be the first and last time I post here, but hasn't really been mentioned much after reading all 40 something pages.

You realize the ONLY reason you guys are talking about Verge is because some kid named Peter from Austin, TX (allegedly) who goes by the name of @XVGWhaleReal, actually posted screenshots (this was Christmas Eve, Dec. 2017) of his text conversation with McAfee, discussing his paying $100k for McAfee to tweet about Verge.

Then when the MC of Verge blew up bigger than they could have imagined, McAfee got enraged and demanded more money, or else he was going to destroy them.  (it wasn't those actual words, but it was still some grandiose shit indicative of megalomania - and funny to boot!)

Peter claimed his account was hacked, and then started this one: https://twitter.com/XVGWhaleReal/

Explained better than I can, here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9ZLQpZwZg

BIGGEST DEAL IN CRYPTO MOTHERFUCKERS!



I was wondering where did this XVG came from to be at such a high market cap, now i understand that its Mcafee behind all that hype... my goodness.
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April 08, 2018, 10:08:25 AM
Probably be the first and last time I post here, but hasn't really been mentioned much after reading all 40 something pages.

You realize the ONLY reason you guys are talking about Verge is because some kid named Peter from Austin, TX (allegedly) who goes by the name of @XVGWhaleReal, actually posted screenshots (this was Christmas Eve, Dec. 2017) of his text conversation with McAfee, discussing his paying $100k for McAfee to tweet about Verge.

Then when the MC of Verge blew up bigger than they could have imagined, McAfee got enraged and demanded more money, or else he was going to destroy them.  (it wasn't those actual words, but it was still some grandiose shit indicative of megalomania - and funny to boot!)

Peter claimed his account was hacked, and then started this one: https://twitter.com/XVGWhaleReal/

Explained better than I can, here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9ZLQpZwZg

*edit* This Peter.  The one in this video talking about meeting Sunerok around the time of the McAfee tweet and bragging about the money he made.  A bumpkin in his pajamas blew up a coin to a MC of over $1B.   I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry:  https://youtu.be/A6FfK5v4dqM

BIGGEST DEAL IN CRYPTO MOTHERFUCKERS!

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April 08, 2018, 09:42:30 AM
so honest pool operators get shafted while the "hacker" has been rewarded with millions of coins.

Lovely.

Seems like pool operators and most miners suffered the most on this.
The hacker(s) and Verge seem to be fine  Undecided

Too bad when a given company/product/project forgets about their backbone ..... Angry



Exactly.
Imho the annoying thing is just this.
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April 08, 2018, 09:20:21 AM
so honest pool operators get shafted while the "hacker" has been rewarded with millions of coins.

Lovely.

Seems like pool operators and most miners suffered the most on this.
The hacker(s) and Verge seem to be fine  Undecided

Too bad when a given company/product/project forgets about their backbone ..... Angry

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April 08, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
Out of curiousity as i'am not a pool owner, but only a trader, miner and holder.

How did this attack effect the XVG pools?

For us miners its clear that we lost all the orphaned blocks we mined in this time.
How is it for the pools? Is it like they pay for nodes/blocks and lost all these from the attack?

Seriously, never looked further how the pool thingie, nodes and blocks actually work on the pool side.

We lost $12,800 plus an unknown opportunity cost that I estimate around $50,000 as a result of this issue.

It affected the pool because our pay-per-share rates are calculated using, in addition to coinbase value, transaction fees, and orphan rate, the difficulty.  Shares were worth hundreds of dollars during that time and the orphan rate was 100%.  We had to exercise our policy of paying customers LTC + 15% during the 4 hours we earned nothing, which amounted to $12,000 in losses, plus about $300 in salaries answering 150 support tickets about the issue, plus about $500 in developer time spent addressing the problem instead of preparing for the upgrades to our servers this weekend.

There was also a large opportunity cost caused by the negative publicity of exercising our LTC + 15% policy, and we now have about 10% fewer customers than we did before the Verge incident.  I'd estimate the lost profit by the bad publicity will be around $50,000 over the lifetime of the pool.

It's not surprising that pools aren't mining Verge anymore.  This is probably the worst thing to happen to us since Cryptsy's theft.  We were 17% of the Verge network before this happened.

As to the issue being "fixed," I hope people can understand our reluctance to mine this coin again.  We'll reevaluate in a few weeks or in May if there are no issues.

thx for the detailed and honest answer. Its about as i thought, but wasn't exactly sure about it.
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April 08, 2018, 08:56:00 AM
Out of curiousity as i'am not a pool owner, but only a trader, miner and holder.

How did this attack effect the XVG pools?

For us miners its clear that we lost all the orphaned blocks we mined in this time.
How is it for the pools? Is it like they pay for nodes/blocks and lost all these from the attack?

Seriously, never looked further how the pool thingie, nodes and blocks actually work on the pool side.

We lost $12,800 plus an unknown opportunity cost that I estimate around $50,000 as a result of this issue.

It affected the pool because our pay-per-share rates are calculated using, in addition to coinbase value, transaction fees, and orphan rate, the difficulty.  Shares were worth hundreds of dollars during that time and the orphan rate was 100%.  We had to exercise our policy of paying customers LTC + 15% during the 4 hours we earned nothing, which amounted to $12,000 in losses, plus about $300 in salaries answering 150 support tickets about the issue, plus about $500 in developer time spent addressing the problem instead of preparing for the upgrades to our servers this weekend.

There was also a large opportunity cost caused by the negative publicity of exercising our LTC + 15% policy, and we now have about 10% fewer customers than we did before the Verge incident.  I'd estimate the lost profit by the bad publicity will be around $50,000 over the lifetime of the pool.

It's not surprising that pools aren't mining Verge anymore.  This is probably the worst thing to happen to us since Cryptsy's theft.  We were 17% of the Verge network before this happened.

As to the issue being "fixed," I hope people can understand our reluctance to mine this coin again.  We'll reevaluate in a few weeks or in May if there are no issues.


so honest pool operators get shafted while the "hacker" has been rewarded with millions of coins.

Lovely.

newbie
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Merit: 0
April 08, 2018, 07:14:22 AM
It's fixed guys!  Grin

Wow what a comforting peice of information  Grin Crazy situation this, some people are just too damn smart.
newbie
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April 08, 2018, 07:02:11 AM
XVG-MG pool mining different was changed for X10 ,plz check your miner.
http://xvg-mg.idcray.com 
#Vergecurrency #XVG #cryptocurrency

Algo=Myriad-Groestl


port        diff
10061     1-10000
10062     10-10000
10063     20-10000
10064     50
10065     100

What kind of shit, can someone help me find the right port for my Gaint X10

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April 08, 2018, 06:57:37 AM
Out of curiousity as i'am not a pool owner, but only a trader, miner and holder.

How did this attack effect the XVG pools?

For us miners its clear that we lost all the orphaned blocks we mined in this time.
How is it for the pools? Is it like they pay for nodes/blocks and lost all these from the attack?

Seriously, never looked further how the pool thingie, nodes and blocks actually work on the pool side.
sr. member
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Merit: 261
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April 08, 2018, 06:44:10 AM
He deceived time! Smiley
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April 08, 2018, 06:43:51 AM
When does the Suprnova Pool start again with myriad-groestl?

There are only bad pools to dismantle suprnova pool was good.

The pool http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ is constantly out of order.

Can anyone happen to tell the port for the Baikal Gaint X10 via the http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ pool with the correct difficulty. 

Hope Suprnova will be back online soon

Won't happen.

Not surprised after how xvg dev reacted.
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April 08, 2018, 06:36:46 AM
Problem was that he was spoofing the blocks and manage to lower their diff to almost 0 as you can see in this pic http://prntscr.com/j2gj3a. He started to exploit at block 2010040 and mined until around block 2038300 so around 28k blocks 43.6 million verge and not the ridiculous numbers that people where mentioning.

Now if you check http://antminepool.com/explorer/XVGB you can see that Diff as normalized it was actually already normal since block 2038300 around that. Either way the exploit is over and hopefully wont happen again. Let this be an example for other coins out there that i know they have the same issue and at least 1 of them is above Verge in marketcap. Cheers
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
April 08, 2018, 06:33:47 AM
When does the Suprnova Pool start again with myriad-groestl?

There are only bad pools to dismantle suprnova pool was good.

The pool http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ is constantly out of order.

Can anyone happen to tell the port for the Baikal Gaint X10 via the http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ pool with the correct difficulty. 

Hope Suprnova will be back online soon

Won't happen.


The problems are already solved where is the problem now.

Can someone say the settings for the other pool for an X10 Miner difficulty port?HuhHuhHuh??
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April 08, 2018, 06:30:50 AM
It's fixed guys!  Grin
jr. member
Activity: 69
Merit: 1
April 08, 2018, 06:24:08 AM
Problem was fixed indeed!
legendary
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Merit: 1240
April 08, 2018, 06:12:48 AM
When does the Suprnova Pool start again with myriad-groestl?

There are only bad pools to dismantle suprnova pool was good.

The pool http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ is constantly out of order.

Can anyone happen to tell the port for the Baikal Gaint X10 via the http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ pool with the correct difficulty. 

Hope Suprnova will be back online soon

Won't happen.
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
April 08, 2018, 06:10:20 AM
When does the Suprnova Pool start again with myriad-groestl?

There are only bad pools to dismantle suprnova pool was good.

The pool http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ is constantly out of order.

Can anyone happen to tell the port for the Baikal Gaint X10 via the http://xvg-mg.idcray.com/ pool with the correct difficulty. 

Hope Suprnova will be back online soon
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
April 08, 2018, 05:02:26 AM
The timers are allowed to drift, as you can see here:
http://antminepool.com/explorer/XVGB

things look great.

as you can see here, from the attack, they did not look so great:
http://antminepool.com/explorer/XVGB?start=2030000

you need to look at the difficulty the blocks are being mined with, they use to be 0.001 and now they are correct. no longer exploited so the fork has worked and it fixed the exploit.

After the update went out to the pools and exchanges at block 2040000 you will see that the exploit is no longer working.

http://antminepool.com/explorer/XVGB?start=2040000

the fork has been successfully completed at block 2042000 but if you check the blockchain one can tell that no more blocks have been mined using the exploit from 2040000 onward.
http://antminepool.com/explorer/XVGB?start=2040000

if you were to assume that all the block from when the attack started at block 2021000 up to block 2040000 that would mean 19000 blocks have been mined using the exploit.

19000 * 1560 (block reward size) = 29640000 XVG maximum that could have been mined. Again this assumed that all blocks were stolen which isn't the case.

Hopefully this answers some of your questions, as for what happens to the addresses where all these exploited blocks went to....we will have to wait for the official update from the verge team.

As i understand it some addresses might have been blocked with the exchanges and possibly as part of the fork. (don't quote me on this)
newbie
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April 08, 2018, 04:58:10 AM
Looking at the blockexplorer still no fix. 5 days of instamining and counting. gg wp

can u justify what u say ?
The blockexplorer still shows large amounts of blocks being added every minute: https://verge-blockchain.info/

You mean blocks or transactions?
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