Topic: Network Attack on XVG / VERGE - page 7. (Read 29534 times)

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 31, 2018, 12:51:59 AM

yeah, srs bsns.

https://github.com/vergecurrency/VERGE/commit/ce9211e0686a4b45245a33a14ec9084a8705e793

https://git.shieldx.sh/SHIELD-team/Core-Projects/SHIELD/commit/266a270e5bef8cf932422ee101aafcff66cb1277

Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

Not seeing too much similarity. Anyway, that doesn't matter because you most definitely copied your code from somewhere else. All of us know that your coin is literally a mish-mash of copy-pasted.

you are actually being ridiculous at this point because if you gonna talk about copy then you have to include all the crypto space starting by the second oldest coin LTC that is basically a copy pasta of BTC with some changes and it goes on and on the the rest of the coins so what is your exact point?

It's called open source for a reason. You're allowed to use others' implementation as long as you credit them for it and don't claim it's your own code. Justin Erik Valo does not credit the devs he copied code from. Go shill somewhere else.

Oh wait so now the problem is not the fact he might have copied it but the fact he didnt credit the ones that made it? Did the SHIELD core team credited Justin for the code they are also using by shilling on XVG fork? Where is the moral? How much more ridiculous stuff you guys gonna pull out of your asses to trash verge? Its actually reaching to a point that i can only laugh about it. Its like a constant attempt to find the smallest things or details to force a reason to fud or trash about verge. This is unfortunately the kind of crypto community we have.

You don't know how an open source license works do you? The shield devs I'm sure credited Justin Valo in their source.

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Quote from: vitaminas on May 31, 2018, 11:08:41 AM

Quote from: siege3967 on May 31, 2018, 03:51:31 AM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 31, 2018, 12:51:59 AM

yeah, srs bsns.

https://github.com/vergecurrency/VERGE/commit/ce9211e0686a4b45245a33a14ec9084a8705e793

https://git.shieldx.sh/SHIELD-team/Core-Projects/SHIELD/commit/266a270e5bef8cf932422ee101aafcff66cb1277

Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

Not seeing too much similarity. Anyway, that doesn't matter because you most definitely copied your code from somewhere else. All of us know that your coin is literally a mish-mash of copy-pasted.

you are actually being ridiculous at this point because if you gonna talk about copy then you have to include all the crypto space starting by the second oldest coin LTC that is basically a copy pasta of BTC with some changes and it goes on and on the the rest of the coins so what is your exact point?

It's called open source for a reason. You're allowed to use others' implementation as long as you credit them for it and don't claim it's your own code. Justin Erik Valo does not credit the devs he copied code from. Go shill somewhere else.

Oh wait so now the problem is not the fact he might have copied it but the fact he didnt credit the ones that made it? Did the SHIELD core team credited Justin for the code they are also using by shilling on XVG fork? Where is the moral? How much more ridiculous stuff you guys gonna pull out of your asses to trash verge? Its actually reaching to a point that i can only laugh about it. Its like a constant attempt to find the smallest things or details to force a reason to fud or trash about verge. This is unfortunately the kind of crypto community we have.

no they didnt credit justin but they did vergedev
shield
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VERGE Devs
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Sunerok, CryptoRekt, MKinney, BearSylla, Hypermist, Pallas1, FuzzBawls, BuZz, glodfinch, InfernoMan, AhmedBodi, BitSpill, MentalCollatz, ekryski and the entire #VERGE community!

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Quote from: freemind1 on May 31, 2018, 11:19:58 AM

This is a complete disaster guys, I have sold my XVG bag (small), at least I have not sold at lost. Good luck to all, I hope this is resolved soon.

A smart move

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Quote from: vitaminas on May 31, 2018, 11:08:41 AM

Oh wait so now the problem is not the fact he might have copied it but the fact he didnt credit the ones that made it? Did the SHIELD core team credited Justin for the code they are also using after shilling on XVG fork? Where is the moral? How much more ridiculous stuff you guys gonna pull out of your asses to trash verge? Its actually reaching to a point that i can only laugh about it. Its like a constant attempt to find the smallest things or details to force a reason to fud or trash about verge. This is unfortunately the kind of crypto community we have.

Here it is: https://git.shieldx.sh/SHIELD-team/Core-Projects/SHIELD#thanks
Now are you going to remain silent or are you going to continue shaming others?

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This is a complete disaster guys, I have sold my XVG bag (small), at least I have not sold at lost. Good luck to all, I hope this is resolved soon.

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Quote from: siege3967 on May 31, 2018, 03:51:31 AM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 31, 2018, 12:51:59 AM

yeah, srs bsns.

https://github.com/vergecurrency/VERGE/commit/ce9211e0686a4b45245a33a14ec9084a8705e793

https://git.shieldx.sh/SHIELD-team/Core-Projects/SHIELD/commit/266a270e5bef8cf932422ee101aafcff66cb1277

Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

Not seeing too much similarity. Anyway, that doesn't matter because you most definitely copied your code from somewhere else. All of us know that your coin is literally a mish-mash of copy-pasted.

you are actually being ridiculous at this point because if you gonna talk about copy then you have to include all the crypto space starting by the second oldest coin LTC that is basically a copy pasta of BTC with some changes and it goes on and on the the rest of the coins so what is your exact point?

It's called open source for a reason. You're allowed to use others' implementation as long as you credit them for it and don't claim it's your own code. Justin Erik Valo does not credit the devs he copied code from. Go shill somewhere else.

Oh wait so now the problem is not the fact he might have copied it but the fact he didnt credit the ones that made it? Did the SHIELD core team credited Justin for the code they are also using by shilling on XVG fork? Where is the moral? How much more ridiculous stuff you guys gonna pull out of your asses to trash verge? Its actually reaching to a point that i can only laugh about it. Its like a constant attempt to find the smallest things or details to force a reason to fud or trash about verge. This is unfortunately the kind of crypto community we have.

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Quote from: Slemicek on May 31, 2018, 04:05:48 AM

Quote from: siege3967 on May 30, 2018, 05:41:17 PM

Quote from: trzl on May 30, 2018, 02:07:27 PM

Quote from: siege3967 on May 30, 2018, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: Patelkaran.8798 on May 30, 2018, 11:38:07 AM

Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 10:08:20 AM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 30, 2018, 09:33:14 AM

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

Let's get into technicalities. Very isn't even private. There is no private transaction or private ledger. Wraith is stealth addresses with Tor. All values are visible on the blockchain.

Lol they backpedalled on the private ledger after advertising it so heavily because "it went against their values" or something like that.

I'm gonna look for the post just for the lolz and compare it to what they were proposing for Wraith beforehand.

It's still mentioned in their "blackpaper" 😂

Wait. What. They dont have private ledger? What was half year Wraith hype about then ?

No private ledger. Wraith is literally stealth addresses run over Tor. Both of which already exist. They just used a catchy phrase for it.

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Quote from: MiCoSa on May 31, 2018, 05:14:04 AM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 31, 2018, 12:51:59 AM

yeah, srs bsns.

https://github.com/vergecurrency/VERGE/commit/ce9211e0686a4b45245a33a14ec9084a8705e793

https://git.shieldx.sh/SHIELD-team/Core-Projects/SHIELD/commit/266a270e5bef8cf932422ee101aafcff66cb1277

Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

Not seeing too much similarity. Anyway, that doesn't matter because you most definitely copied your code from somewhere else. All of us know that your coin is literally a mish-mash of copy-pasted.

Lol and you guys say to the verge fam, they would only see what they want to see. Obviously, someone had a shit on your eyes... Unbelievable... I just wonder if anyone in this world is taking you serious in your real life? Or is it the same like here, that you are making a fool of your self the whole day? Are you a friend of boxalex? He has a doctor's appointment upcoming. Maybe you can go with him...

Please tell me the similarities you see.

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Quote from: MiCoSa on May 31, 2018, 07:28:31 AM

I already told you, that my verge bag is not big. It is very small. I even think about selling it, because i want to invest in another project that looks very promising. Not sure about it yet. But i already recognized, that you dont want to understand (or maybe you just cant) facts, that dont fit to your FUD, hate and fake news. The only reason why i am here is, that i just dont like people that are talking bullshit the whole day...

Whatever you want, thx for the bump by the way! Wink

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Quote from: boxalex on May 31, 2018, 06:01:55 AM

Quote from: MiCoSa on May 31, 2018, 05:14:04 AM

Are you a friend of boxalex? He has a doctor's appointment upcoming. Maybe you can go with him...

Typical Verge fanboiz personal attack .....
Now you made your point, feel better and now best take some verge out of your XVG big bag, pay for a 5 years membership on pornhub with it
and watch some porn to relax and feel better Grin

I already told you, that my verge bag is not big. It is very small. I even think about selling it, because i want to invest in another project that looks very promising. Not sure about it yet. But i already recognized, that you dont want to understand (or maybe you just cant) facts, that dont fit to your FUD, hate and fake news. The only reason why i am here is, that i just dont like people that are talking bullshit the whole day...

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Another bump for unanswered questions along with a extra.

How much did the 2 attacks speed up the mining process for verge? How far away was the halvening before the hacks? Did they speed up mining by months or years?

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Quote from: StefanRvO on May 29, 2018, 04:31:31 PM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 29, 2018, 03:59:17 PM

Quote from: StefanRvO on May 29, 2018, 03:26:53 PM

Since the chain trust is only based on the length of the chain and not cumulated work, wouldn't it be quite easy to perform a double spend with much less than 51% hashrate?

On the original chain, send e.g. 10M XVG to an exchange.

While you wait for confirmations, start mining an alternative chain where you step down the difficulty by fakeing the timestamps. This should still be possible even though the maximum drift is changed to 10 minutes, it will just be somewhat slower. In this chain you include a transaction which invalidates your original transaction. Even if you only have e.g. 5% hashpower, your chain should eventually get longer than the original chain as it has much lower difficulty.

After you have converted the XVG to BTC on the exchange, you submit your privately mined chain to the network, and as it is longer than the original chain, it will cause the nodes to reorganize to your chain. Am I missing anything or would this be completly possible?
This would also make it possible to perform the attack with extremly limited ressources as you don't really have to compete with the honest miners.

that wouldn't work because the invalidation would also be accepted.

Could you expand on what you mean by the invalidation would also be accepted?

If you on your private chain sends the coins to yourself instead of the exchange, you will still own the coins when the network reorgs to your chain after you brodcasts your blocks.

bump for an unanswered serious question!

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Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 11:02:12 AM

Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 10:08:20 AM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 30, 2018, 09:33:14 AM

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

I have some more legitimate questions about features Verge presents itself as having: https://vergecurrency.com/key-tech/

1. Atomic Swaps - atomic cross-chain trading

- If this functionality is actually present, can you please point me to instructions on how to perform an atomic swap, off chain?
- With what other coins are swaps supported?

2. P2P integrations

- Your website says Verge is integrated into messaging on Discord, Slack, Twitter and Telegram. How would I, as a user of each of these platforms, use this function?

bump .......

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Quote from: MiCoSa on May 31, 2018, 05:14:04 AM

Are you a friend of boxalex? He has a doctor's appointment upcoming. Maybe you can go with him...

Typical Verge fanboiz personal attack .....
Now you made your point, feel better and now best take some verge out of your XVG big bag, pay for a 5 years membership on pornhub with it
and watch some porn to relax and feel better Grin

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Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 31, 2018, 12:51:59 AM

yeah, srs bsns.

https://github.com/vergecurrency/VERGE/commit/ce9211e0686a4b45245a33a14ec9084a8705e793

https://git.shieldx.sh/SHIELD-team/Core-Projects/SHIELD/commit/266a270e5bef8cf932422ee101aafcff66cb1277

Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

Not seeing too much similarity. Anyway, that doesn't matter because you most definitely copied your code from somewhere else. All of us know that your coin is literally a mish-mash of copy-pasted.

Lol and you guys say to the verge fam, they would only see what they want to see. Obviously, someone had a shit on your eyes... Unbelievable... I just wonder if anyone in this world is taking you serious in your real life? Or is it the same like here, that you are making a fool of your self the whole day? Are you a friend of boxalex? He has a doctor's appointment upcoming. Maybe you can go with him...

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Quote from: siege3967 on May 30, 2018, 05:41:17 PM

Quote from: trzl on May 30, 2018, 02:07:27 PM

Quote from: siege3967 on May 30, 2018, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: Patelkaran.8798 on May 30, 2018, 11:38:07 AM

Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 10:08:20 AM

Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 30, 2018, 09:33:14 AM

iquidus has alot of bugs. prohashing and other yiimp based explorers are far more accurate.

Just out of curiousity in case your statement here is indeed the case (and i have some doubts about it), but just in case.

- So why is Verge using the most bugged explorer for its own currency?
- What's the prupose of having an official explorer nobody can rely on?
- What explorer do you use than while doing your own research/investigation if the official Verge Explorer can't be trusted due it's bugs?
- Was the possibility that the explorer shows the correct value actually investigated or you just think it's a bug?
- Any reference or example where this bug elsewhere happened and shows negative balance?

And there is still no answer to a whole lot of valid questions, maybe you won't to take a look into them as well.

P.S.: IF this guy here posting and offending people en mass here with lowest street language is really your moderator on the telegram channel
and representing Verges views/spirit/interest, than you should think about what bad taste such behavour leaves associated with Verge.
Just as a thought and side note.

Lolololol. Offending normal people ( which i dont ) or FUDDers ( which i will always) like you? I give FUDders extra treatment. Get used to my offensive behaviour until you keep spreading fake shit and asking vague question again and again to prove your shitty thing.

Let's get into technicalities. Very isn't even private. There is no private transaction or private ledger. Wraith is stealth addresses with Tor. All values are visible on the blockchain.

Lol they backpedalled on the private ledger after advertising it so heavily because "it went against their values" or something like that.

I'm gonna look for the post just for the lolz and compare it to what they were proposing for Wraith beforehand.

It's still mentioned in their "blackpaper" 😂

Wait. What. They dont have private ledger? What was half year Wraith hype about then ?

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Quote from: siege3967 on May 31, 2018, 03:53:14 AM

Quote from: vitaminas on May 31, 2018, 03:43:26 AM

Quote from: vitaminas on May 31, 2018, 03:43:26 AM

Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

you mean shield the coin that is a fork of XVG? What moral do they have to talk about copy past?? Irony at his best.

They forked because of the incompetency of the verge dev and now the verge dev copied their code. Classic lol

The most amazing thing is that people still continue to believe in the verge and even offer to keep it for a long time. Some people really think this is really long term coin.
I also wrote before that the lack of professionalism of the team is amazing. They make the same mistakes all time. Obviously, with this team, the project will get worse and worse.

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Well, its all over Social Media now that XVG's code is flawed, Sunerok doesnt have the capability to fix the code on his own so he needs to copy Shields code. Then blatantly lie about it in public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8nf4su/shield_uncovers_verge_xvg_deception/

https://twitter.com/coin_wars/status/1002026270530551808

Do your own research

you mean shield the coin that is a fork of XVG? What moral do they have to talk about copy past?? Irony at his best.

They forked because of the incompetency of the verge dev and now the verge dev copied their code. Classic lol

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Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 31, 2018, 12:51:59 AM