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[9:29am] <10+davout> dub: yeah, that too
[9:30am] <10+davout> i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone
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[9:31am] <08@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39687 @ 0.00083753 = 33.2391 BTC
[9:31am] <10+davout> !up starsoccer
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[9:31am] <10+davout> ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
[9:32am] <10+gribble> Currently authenticated from hostmask [email protected]. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012
[9:32am] <10+davout> o, you can already voice yourself ><
[9:32am] <10+starsoccer> oo lol
[9:32am] <10+starsoccer> didnt realize
[9:32am] <10+kakobrekla> what did he do davout ?
[9:33am] <10+davout> kakobrekla: boiled down version goes something like this
[9:33am] <10+dub> the dude has <70 IQ, the end?
[9:33am] <10+kakobrekla> !b 2
[9:34am] <08@assbot> Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RCWJ.txt )
[9:34am] <10+davout> "davout stole 1132 BTC from me, so let's do something really smart here, if someone manages to make him cough up that amount, he can send me 732 BTC and keep 400 BTC for himself"
[9:34am] <10+kakobrekla> aha lolk
[9:34am] <10+starsoccer> davout, send him 1132 btc
[9:34am] <10+starsoccer> pls
[9:34am] <10+starsoccer> lol
[9:34am] <10+davout> which boils down even further ti "donate 400 BTC to me"
[9:34am] <10+dub> 'but I'll settle for US$50k!'
[9:34am] <10+davout> s/ti/to/
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> davout, fine send him 50k
[9:35am] <10+kakobrekla> fun
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> then me and you split the 400btc
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer>
[9:35am] <10+dub> now forum rocket scientists are like, SO IF I SEND YOU $50K YOU SEND ME 400BTC?!
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> dub, exactly
[9:35am] <10+davout> starsoccer: i already have someone willing to do it for only 100 BTC, sorry!
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> do what for 100 btc?
[9:36am] <10+starsoccer> you send him 50k USD then we split 400btc so you get 200btc and i get 200btc
[9:36am] <10+starsoccer> good day
[9:36am] <10+davout> kinda fun going into the office and have everyone be like "o hai, you have a 400 btc contract on your head"
[9:36am] <10+kakobrekla> lol
[9:38am] <10+dub> haha
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[9:38am] <10+dub> HIRE SOME SERBS TO GET IT
[9:38am] <10+kakobrekla> i know some
[9:38am] <10+kakobrekla> i cal also hold escrow
[9:38am] <10+kakobrekla> can
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[9:41am] <10+kakobrekla> no takers ? boring.
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[9:41am] <10+mircea_popescu> hai there persons.
[9:42am] <10+dub> this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid
[9:42am] <10+kakobrekla> hi
[9:42am] <10+Duffer1> hello
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[9:44am] <10+dub> ohshi- expedia
[9:44am] <10+mircea_popescu> benkay: state media academia << ty
[9:44am] <10+dub> nice
[9:45am] <10+davout> dub: he's being sardokanastic
[9:45am] <10+dub> ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard
[9:46am] <10+mircea_popescu> i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s
[9:46am] <10+mircea_popescu> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VBoD92ui70 )
[9:46am] <08@assbot> Sandokan Tribute - YouTube
[9:46am] <10+kakobrekla> some forumite?
[9:47am] <10+davout> he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite
[9:47am] <10+mircea_popescu> aha
[9:49am] <10+Apocalyptic> davout, did he post that on the forum ?
[9:49am] <10+davout> Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-400-btc-bounty-pales-roger-vers-376-btc-bounty-for-return-of-stolen-btc-649176
[9:49am] <08@assbot> New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC
[9:49am] <10+mircea_popescu> decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago.
[9:50am] <10+mircea_popescu> o wow wait
[9:50am] <10+mircea_popescu> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !?
[9:51am] <10+mircea_popescu> !up blackwhite
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[9:51am] <08@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2}
[9:51am] <10+mircea_popescu> ;;gettrust assbot blackwhite
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[9:51am] <10+mircea_popescu> blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ?
[9:52am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud
[9:52am] <10+mircea_popescu> itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ?
[9:52am] <10+blackwhite> I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier.
[9:53am] <10+blackwhite> but getting back to getting more involved again.
[9:53am] <10+mircea_popescu> blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts.
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[9:53am] <10+blackwhite> i see
[9:54am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ?
[9:54am] <10+mircea_popescu> well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ?
[9:56am] <10+mircea_popescu> his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap.
[9:56am] <10+davout> two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple
[9:56am] <10+Apocalyptic> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? //looks like it
[9:56am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing
[9:57am] <10+mircea_popescu> did he lose two of his three urls ?
[9:57am] <10+davout> i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = ''" == 0
[9:57am] <10+mircea_popescu> in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paraná, Brazil, the famous Iguazú Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second—33 times the usual water flow rate."
[9:57am] <10+davout> for two of the urls
[9:58am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ?
[9:58am] <10+davout> i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too
[9:58am] <10+davout> some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches"
[9:58am] <10+Apocalyptic> "BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ?
[9:58am] <10+mircea_popescu> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOjCTy9_--/strfxwexmbgnjk7b4nus.jpg now vs then : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--utwlJ8_1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ihl9qhl9yy47q1axnuiv.jpg
[9:59am] <10+davout> except we didn't have a tor hidden service
[9:59am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ?
[9:59am] <10+davout> i checked for that against a few backups
[9:59am] <10+davout> no results
[9:59am] <10+mircea_popescu> what date was the oldest you checked roughly ?
[9:59am] <10+davout> one of the first things i thought of
[9:59am] <10+pankkake> What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin?
[9:59am] <10+pankkake> Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers
[9:59am] <10+pankkake> French Bitcoiner = AVOID
[9:59am] <10+davout> i don't really recall from the top of my head
[10:00am] <10+davout> i tried to find partial url matches too
[10:00am] <10+mircea_popescu> well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ?
[10:00am] <10+davout> i tried to search by balances
[10:00am] <10+davout> a month or two i think
[10:00am] <10+mircea_popescu> so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ?
[10:00am] <10+davout> hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions
[10:01am] <10+davout> that's what the backups convey
[10:02am] <10+mircea_popescu> http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu
[10:02am] <08@assbot> As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube
[10:02am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout did instawallet gpg sign anything ?
[10:02am] <10+davout> nope
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[10:02am] <10+mircea_popescu> so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ?
[10:03am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them
[10:03am] <10+mircea_popescu> aha
[10:04am] <10+davout> i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses"
[10:04am] <10+mircea_popescu> well he prolly didn't keep records of any kind
[10:04am] <10+davout> the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information
[10:04am] <10+mircea_popescu> ok, so were you on vacation at the time of the hax ?
[10:05am] <10+davout> well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself
[10:05am] <10+blackwhite> pretty good talk on ethereum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dpjN3Mwps
[10:05am] <08@assbot> Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube
[10:05am] <10+davout> so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address
[10:05am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used
[10:06am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ?
[10:06am] <10+fluffypony> yes
[10:06am] <10+davout> once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail
[10:07am] <10+davout> took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address
[10:07am] <10+fluffypony> every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence
[10:07am] <10+mircea_popescu> this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk.
[10:07am] <10+davout> ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions
[10:07am] <10+fluffypony> the URLs could be complete bullshit
[10:07am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals
[10:07am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe
[10:08am] <10+mircea_popescu> that ain't gonna work.
[10:08am] <10+mircea_popescu> aaanyway. so were you on vacation when it happened ?
[10:08am] <10+davout> fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses
[10:09am] <10+davout> because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address
[10:09am] <10+fluffypony> yeah
[10:09am] <10+davout> he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever
[10:11am] <10+mircea_popescu> i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk
[10:12am] <10+fluffypony> yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him
[10:12am] <10+pankkake> http://bitbet.us/propositions/ okay…
[10:12am] <08@assbot> BitBet Propositions
[10:13am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk
[10:13am] <10+mircea_popescu> https://blockchain.info/tx/84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e largest bit, in may last. when did isntawallet fail again ?
[10:13am] <08@assbot> Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e
[10:14am] <10+mircea_popescu> april
[10:14am] <10+fluffypony> yeah
[10:15am] <10+mircea_popescu> actually 100, 400, 460 during may, 100 late april.
[10:15am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU
[10:15am] <10+mircea_popescu> but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ?
[10:15am] <10+mircea_popescu> that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ?
[10:15am] <10+davout> he's imagining there is a liquidator
[10:15am] <10+davout> i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit
[10:16am] <10+mircea_popescu> oh.
[10:16am] <10+davout> it was a post-mortem security audit
[10:16am] <10+mircea_popescu> i see.
[10:16am] <10+davout> the guy is very confused
[10:16am] <10+davout> i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things
[10:17am] <10+davout> i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble
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[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> "Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment."
[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> is he francophone ?
[10:17am] <10+davout> he's definitely not francophile
[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> lol
[10:17am] <10+fluffypony> lol
[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time
[10:18am] <10+fluffypony> pankkake: I'm betting yes on "ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttttttttttt"
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> "Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress."
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> "I prefer to use Rassah as escrow"
[10:19am] <10+mircea_popescu> so did he fund the bounty or not ?
[10:19am] <10+fluffypony> nope
[10:19am] <10+fluffypony> *if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something
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[10:19am] <10+davout> the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him
[10:19am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony so then why any need for an escrow?
[10:19am] <10+fluffypony> nfi
[10:20am] <10+fluffypony> the whole arrangement is confusing as hell
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[10:20am] <10+mircea_popescu> so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ?
[10:20am] <10+davout> also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared
[10:20am] <10+fluffypony> yes
[10:20am] <10+davout> http://pastie.org/private/zye2fhscut112d7m1m6ga
[10:20am] <08@assbot> Private Paste - Pastie
[10:21am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout do you have a service address ?
[10:21am] <10+fluffypony> maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him
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[10:21am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY
[10:21am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker
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[10:21am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process
[10:22am] <10+mircea_popescu> such as supoenas
[10:22am] <10+davout> paymium has one
[10:22am] <10+mircea_popescu> alrighty.
[10:22am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general
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[10:22am] <10+fluffypony> the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour
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[10:23am] <10+davout> also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013
[10:23am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn'
[10:23am] <10+kakobrekla> someone mixed propositions for 4chan?
[10:23am] <10+mircea_popescu> t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that.
[10:23am] <10+fluffypony> kakobrekla: that's what I'm guessing
[10:23am] <10+davout> in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued
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[10:24am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout at this point.
[10:24am] <10+fluffypony> agreed
[10:24am] <10+mircea_popescu> there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation
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[10:24am] <10+fluffypony> once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him
[10:25am] <10+chetty> so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank?
[10:25am] <10+fluffypony> chetty: I think so
[10:25am] <10+fluffypony> give it a spin, let us know how it goes
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony bank'll prolly just pay her.
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> what do they care.
[10:26am] <10+davout> gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further
[10:26am] <10+fluffypony> davout: kk
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[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> i think it's discussed tbh.
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> ;;notes
[10:26am] <10+gribble> I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual.
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> ;;seen Phinnaeus
[10:26am] <10+gribble> Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: later
[9:30am] <10+davout> i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone
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[9:31am] <08@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39687 @ 0.00083753 = 33.2391 BTC
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[9:31am] <10+davout> !up starsoccer
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[9:31am] <10+davout> ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
[9:32am] <10+gribble> Currently authenticated from hostmask [email protected]. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012
[9:32am] <10+davout> o, you can already voice yourself ><
[9:32am] <10+starsoccer> oo lol
[9:32am] <10+starsoccer> didnt realize
[9:32am] <10+kakobrekla> what did he do davout ?
[9:33am] <10+davout> kakobrekla: boiled down version goes something like this
[9:33am] <10+dub> the dude has <70 IQ, the end?
[9:33am] <10+kakobrekla> !b 2
[9:34am] <08@assbot> Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RCWJ.txt )
[9:34am] <10+davout> "davout stole 1132 BTC from me, so let's do something really smart here, if someone manages to make him cough up that amount, he can send me 732 BTC and keep 400 BTC for himself"
[9:34am] <10+kakobrekla> aha lolk
[9:34am] <10+starsoccer> davout, send him 1132 btc
[9:34am] <10+starsoccer> pls
[9:34am] <10+starsoccer> lol
[9:34am] <10+davout> which boils down even further ti "donate 400 BTC to me"
[9:34am] <10+dub> 'but I'll settle for US$50k!'
[9:34am] <10+davout> s/ti/to/
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> davout, fine send him 50k
[9:35am] <10+kakobrekla> fun
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> then me and you split the 400btc
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer>
[9:35am] <10+dub> now forum rocket scientists are like, SO IF I SEND YOU $50K YOU SEND ME 400BTC?!
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> dub, exactly
[9:35am] <10+davout> starsoccer: i already have someone willing to do it for only 100 BTC, sorry!
[9:35am] <10+starsoccer> do what for 100 btc?
[9:36am] <10+starsoccer> you send him 50k USD then we split 400btc so you get 200btc and i get 200btc
[9:36am] <10+starsoccer> good day
[9:36am] <10+davout> kinda fun going into the office and have everyone be like "o hai, you have a 400 btc contract on your head"
[9:36am] <10+kakobrekla> lol
[9:38am] <10+dub> haha
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[9:38am] <10+dub> HIRE SOME SERBS TO GET IT
[9:38am] <10+kakobrekla> i know some
[9:38am] <10+kakobrekla> i cal also hold escrow
[9:38am] <10+kakobrekla> can
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[9:41am] <10+kakobrekla> no takers ? boring.
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[9:41am] <10+mircea_popescu> hai there persons.
[9:42am] <10+dub> this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid
[9:42am] <10+kakobrekla> hi
[9:42am] <10+Duffer1> hello
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[9:44am] <10+dub> ohshi- expedia
[9:44am] <10+mircea_popescu> benkay: state media academia << ty
[9:44am] <10+dub> nice
[9:45am] <10+davout> dub: he's being sardokanastic
[9:45am] <10+dub> ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard
[9:46am] <10+mircea_popescu> i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s
[9:46am] <10+mircea_popescu> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VBoD92ui70 )
[9:46am] <08@assbot> Sandokan Tribute - YouTube
[9:46am] <10+kakobrekla> some forumite?
[9:47am] <10+davout> he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite
[9:47am] <10+mircea_popescu> aha
[9:49am] <10+Apocalyptic> davout, did he post that on the forum ?
[9:49am] <10+davout> Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-400-btc-bounty-pales-roger-vers-376-btc-bounty-for-return-of-stolen-btc-649176
[9:49am] <08@assbot> New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC
[9:49am] <10+mircea_popescu> decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago.
[9:50am] <10+mircea_popescu> o wow wait
[9:50am] <10+mircea_popescu> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !?
[9:51am] <10+mircea_popescu> !up blackwhite
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[9:51am] <08@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2}
[9:51am] <10+mircea_popescu> ;;gettrust assbot blackwhite
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[9:51am] <10+mircea_popescu> blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ?
[9:52am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud
[9:52am] <10+mircea_popescu> itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ?
[9:52am] <10+blackwhite> I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier.
[9:53am] <10+blackwhite> but getting back to getting more involved again.
[9:53am] <10+mircea_popescu> blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts.
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[9:53am] <10+blackwhite> i see
[9:54am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ?
[9:54am] <10+mircea_popescu> well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ?
[9:56am] <10+mircea_popescu> his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap.
[9:56am] <10+davout> two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple
[9:56am] <10+Apocalyptic>
[9:56am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing
[9:57am] <10+mircea_popescu> did he lose two of his three urls ?
[9:57am] <10+davout> i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = '
[9:57am] <10+mircea_popescu> in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paraná, Brazil, the famous Iguazú Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second—33 times the usual water flow rate."
[9:57am] <10+davout> for two of the urls
[9:58am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ?
[9:58am] <10+davout> i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too
[9:58am] <10+davout> some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches"
[9:58am] <10+Apocalyptic> "BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ?
[9:58am] <10+mircea_popescu> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOjCTy9_--/strfxwexmbgnjk7b4nus.jpg now vs then : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--utwlJ8_1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ihl9qhl9yy47q1axnuiv.jpg
[9:59am] <10+davout> except we didn't have a tor hidden service
[9:59am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ?
[9:59am] <10+davout> i checked for that against a few backups
[9:59am] <10+davout> no results
[9:59am] <10+mircea_popescu> what date was the oldest you checked roughly ?
[9:59am] <10+davout> one of the first things i thought of
[9:59am] <10+pankkake> What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin?
[9:59am] <10+pankkake> Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers
[9:59am] <10+pankkake> French Bitcoiner = AVOID
[9:59am] <10+davout> i don't really recall from the top of my head
[10:00am] <10+davout> i tried to find partial url matches too
[10:00am] <10+mircea_popescu> well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ?
[10:00am] <10+davout> i tried to search by balances
[10:00am] <10+davout> a month or two i think
[10:00am] <10+mircea_popescu> so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ?
[10:00am] <10+davout> hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions
[10:01am] <10+davout> that's what the backups convey
[10:02am] <10+mircea_popescu> http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu
[10:02am] <08@assbot> As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube
[10:02am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout did instawallet gpg sign anything ?
[10:02am] <10+davout> nope
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[10:02am] <10+mircea_popescu> so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ?
[10:03am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them
[10:03am] <10+mircea_popescu> aha
[10:04am] <10+davout> i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses"
[10:04am] <10+mircea_popescu> well he prolly didn't keep records of any kind
[10:04am] <10+davout> the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information
[10:04am] <10+mircea_popescu> ok, so were you on vacation at the time of the hax ?
[10:05am] <10+davout> well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself
[10:05am] <10+blackwhite> pretty good talk on ethereum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dpjN3Mwps
[10:05am] <08@assbot> Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube
[10:05am] <10+davout> so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address
[10:05am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used
[10:06am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ?
[10:06am] <10+fluffypony> yes
[10:06am] <10+davout> once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail
[10:07am] <10+davout> took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address
[10:07am] <10+fluffypony> every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence
[10:07am] <10+mircea_popescu> this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk.
[10:07am] <10+davout> ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions
[10:07am] <10+fluffypony> the URLs could be complete bullshit
[10:07am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals
[10:07am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe
[10:08am] <10+mircea_popescu> that ain't gonna work.
[10:08am] <10+mircea_popescu> aaanyway. so were you on vacation when it happened ?
[10:08am] <10+davout> fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses
[10:09am] <10+davout> because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address
[10:09am] <10+fluffypony> yeah
[10:09am] <10+davout> he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever
[10:11am] <10+mircea_popescu> i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk
[10:12am] <10+fluffypony> yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him
[10:12am] <10+pankkake> http://bitbet.us/propositions/ okay…
[10:12am] <08@assbot> BitBet Propositions
[10:13am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk
[10:13am] <10+mircea_popescu> https://blockchain.info/tx/84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e largest bit, in may last. when did isntawallet fail again ?
[10:13am] <08@assbot> Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e
[10:14am] <10+mircea_popescu> april
[10:14am] <10+fluffypony> yeah
[10:15am] <10+mircea_popescu> actually 100, 400, 460 during may, 100 late april.
[10:15am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU
[10:15am] <10+mircea_popescu> but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ?
[10:15am] <10+mircea_popescu> that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ?
[10:15am] <10+davout> he's imagining there is a liquidator
[10:15am] <10+davout> i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit
[10:16am] <10+mircea_popescu> oh.
[10:16am] <10+davout> it was a post-mortem security audit
[10:16am] <10+mircea_popescu> i see.
[10:16am] <10+davout> the guy is very confused
[10:16am] <10+davout> i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things
[10:17am] <10+davout> i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble
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[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> "Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment."
[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> is he francophone ?
[10:17am] <10+davout> he's definitely not francophile
[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> lol
[10:17am] <10+fluffypony> lol
[10:17am] <10+mircea_popescu> no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time
[10:18am] <10+fluffypony> pankkake: I'm betting yes on "ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttttttttttt"
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> "Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress."
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work
[10:18am] <10+mircea_popescu> "I prefer to use Rassah as escrow"
[10:19am] <10+mircea_popescu> so did he fund the bounty or not ?
[10:19am] <10+fluffypony> nope
[10:19am] <10+fluffypony> *if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something
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[10:19am] <10+davout> the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him
[10:19am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony so then why any need for an escrow?
[10:19am] <10+fluffypony> nfi
[10:20am] <10+fluffypony> the whole arrangement is confusing as hell
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[10:20am] <10+mircea_popescu> so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ?
[10:20am] <10+davout> also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared
[10:20am] <10+fluffypony> yes
[10:20am] <10+davout> http://pastie.org/private/zye2fhscut112d7m1m6ga
[10:20am] <08@assbot> Private Paste - Pastie
[10:21am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout do you have a service address ?
[10:21am] <10+fluffypony> maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him
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[10:21am] <10+davout> mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY
[10:21am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker
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[10:21am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process
[10:22am] <10+mircea_popescu> such as supoenas
[10:22am] <10+davout> paymium has one
[10:22am] <10+mircea_popescu> alrighty.
[10:22am] <10+fluffypony> mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general
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[10:22am] <10+fluffypony> the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour
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[10:23am] <10+davout> also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013
[10:23am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn'
[10:23am] <10+kakobrekla> someone mixed propositions for 4chan?
[10:23am] <10+mircea_popescu> t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that.
[10:23am] <10+fluffypony> kakobrekla: that's what I'm guessing
[10:23am] <10+davout> in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued
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[10:24am] <10+mircea_popescu> davout at this point.
[10:24am] <10+fluffypony> agreed
[10:24am] <10+mircea_popescu> there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation
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[10:24am] <10+fluffypony> once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him
[10:25am] <10+chetty> so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank?
[10:25am] <10+fluffypony> chetty: I think so
[10:25am] <10+fluffypony> give it a spin, let us know how it goes
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> fluffypony bank'll prolly just pay her.
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> what do they care.
[10:26am] <10+davout> gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further
[10:26am] <10+fluffypony> davout: kk
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[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> i think it's discussed tbh.
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> ;;notes
[10:26am] <10+gribble> I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual.
[10:26am] <10+mircea_popescu> ;;seen Phinnaeus
[10:26am] <10+gribble> Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago:
Not sure when auditor became liquidator, for I don't believe I've used the latter term, let alone imagined it.
More comments forthcoming, for I'm behind the curve at the moment, all.
The only fuckin' thing I've read that davout got correct is that I am a n00b when it comes to certain tech shit, hence champion and using InstaWallet back in the day for I felt it was in capable hands by all accounts. Boy, was I fooled, but never again, hence using my experience with IW as stepping stone, so to speak, to call out ALL potential scammers.
In the chat above, davout was asked no less than three times as to whom the auditor was/is, and he still side-steps that issue, just like the where is the police report was side-stepped by Boussac, but finally he releases it in the French section of this forum a couple weeks later oppose to linking it in his InstaWallet claims thread.
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[9:30am] <10+davout> i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone
davout is waiting for me to show up on -assets again, of which I ask, "What the fuck is -assets?" Must be nice to be a businessman and have the ability to state that they want to pierce a former client of theirs a second butthole, in front of their peers, nonetheless.
This is the mentality of people that shouldn't be running Bitcoin-based entities.
~Bruno Kucinskas
? Sending 250.000$ in exchange for 50.000$....Would be kind of stupid doesn't it?