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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2014, 02:45:55 AM

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 01:43:21 AM

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In the spirit of the above, Brock Pierce suggested to the person who had their bitcoins stolen to mound a similar campaign, thus amassing the troops, so to speak, so that at least one person could reap the reward when the stolen bitcoins are returned....

Brock Pierce made a general statement intended for anyone who lost a large amount or you talk(ed) with him directly?

Directly over the phone. He called me.

Awesome.... I was away (most of the time) for a few days. Is there already a thread about your talk?
I'm curious if you have a different view about him now? Certainly, talking is one thing he is really good at.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 01:43:21 AM

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In the spirit of the above, Brock Pierce suggested to the person who had their bitcoins stolen to mound a similar campaign, thus amassing the troops, so to speak, so that at least one person could reap the reward when the stolen bitcoins are returned....

Brock Pierce made a general statement intended for anyone who lost a large amount or you talk(ed) with him directly?

Directly over the phone. He called me.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

They were purchased anonymously at a restaurant halfway between Sandwich, IL, and Chicago, in Naperville, IL, about the second week of December, 2012. Taxing my memory, the total was 1,132 + x(single digit).xxx... and immediately put in a freshly created InstaWallet bitcoin wallet. A couple/three days later I split the three accounts up into 1,000, 132, and x.xxx... wallets, always using InstaWallet while in my possession. Hope that helps with your plans.

Did the anonymous seller generously offer a wi-fi hotspot for you to use to complete the transfer? Perhaps suggesting DNS changes when you had trouble connecting to the wi-fi hotspot?

This is where it took place: 1191 East Ogden Avenue
Naperville, IL 60563
Ogden Mall‎
(630) 548-5070
panerabread.com‎

In the parking lot. I had a good signal in the parking lot prior to his (John, a generic name I just assumed he made up) arrival probably less than 5 minutes later. I now do recall he drove a red pickup, remembering such because my truck is red (same truck I own today). I'm almost certain his was a later model, but didn't register the make, e.g. Ford, Chevy, etc., but it was full size, and no crew cab like mine.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2014, 02:28:41 AM

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The wallet that contained the 0.835 bitcoins, which was returned to you, must have a deposit address which was used to fund it. Could this address then be used to locate to larger original deposit?

No. That one was first funded via a different means sometime in February if I'm not mistaken.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Besides the split a few days after the deposit, were there any later minor transfers to or from the wallets in question between the time of their funding and the "hack"? Or did they remain undisturbed until that time?

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In re. the auditor. For starters, it would prove that David was telling the truth that there was an auditor. Then, possibly it can be confirmed that there was a "hack" from some source outside of Paymium. Finally, we will learn if it was tampered with.

my point is that the auditor is not supposed to tell you anything, especially when there's a police investigation ongoing. So in the end, that information would be useless, you wouldn't even know if it's true or false.

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Another genuinely naive question, of course you have no way to contact the guy to see if he had logs of his own ?

No I don't, for it was a Craigslist ad. To this day I've always had a feeling that it was Jeff Ownby of BFL, but not 100% certain of that. I wish it was, for it would make this episode a tad easier.

and the story a little bit better, I didn't expect that to be even possible to be honest.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/11/prweb3164764.htm

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The Barn intends to program a series of live music events in this mold for years to come. “We can already feel the buzz around this first event, which will hopefully spillover into 2010 and beyond," said The Barn's Manager Jeff Ownby. “We're La Grange residents and it’s obvious to us why this community would embrace a top-quality nightlife option aimed at adults.”

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Quote from: GrandpaTime on June 13, 2014, 01:30:27 AM

The wallet that contained the 0.835 bitcoins, which was returned to you, must have a deposit address which was used to fund it. Could this address then be used to locate to larger original deposit?

No. That one was first funded via a different means sometime in February if I'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: mindset on June 13, 2014, 01:49:10 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

They were purchased anonymously at a restaurant halfway between Sandwich, IL, and Chicago, in Naperville, IL, about the second week of December, 2012. Taxing my memory, the total was 1,132 + x(single digit).xxx... and immediately put in a freshly created InstaWallet bitcoin wallet. A couple/three days later I split the three accounts up into 1,000, 132, and x.xxx... wallets, always using InstaWallet while in my possession. Hope that helps with your plans.

Did the anonymous seller generously offer a wi-fi hotspot for you to use to complete the transfer? Perhaps suggesting DNS changes when you had trouble connecting to the wi-fi hotspot?

I believe Phinnaeus verified at least once with blockchain.info that it was there at some point in the past.

So once the origin deposit address is found

- Either Instawallet internal logs can be accessed, and it should be easy to trace when this was split then emptied.

- Either Instawallet internal logs cannot be accessed, and Phinnaeus should get access to them with minimal lawyer time involved given this information.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 01:43:21 AM

...
In the spirit of the above, Brock Pierce suggested to the person who had their bitcoins stolen to mound a similar campaign, thus amassing the troops, so to speak, so that at least one person could reap the reward when the stolen bitcoins are returned....

Brock Pierce made a general statement intended for anyone who lost a large amount or you talk(ed) with him directly?

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

They were purchased anonymously at a restaurant halfway between Sandwich, IL, and Chicago, in Naperville, IL, about the second week of December, 2012. Taxing my memory, the total was 1,132 + x(single digit).xxx... and immediately put in a freshly created InstaWallet bitcoin wallet. A couple/three days later I split the three accounts up into 1,000, 132, and x.xxx... wallets, always using InstaWallet while in my possession. Hope that helps with your plans.

Did the anonymous seller generously offer a wi-fi hotspot for you to use to complete the transfer? Perhaps suggesting DNS changes when you had trouble connecting to the wi-fi hotspot?

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2014, 01:18:09 AM

In re. the auditor. For starters, it would prove that David was telling the truth that there was an auditor. Then, possibly it can be confirmed that there was a "hack" from some source outside of Paymium. Finally, we will learn if it was tampered with.

my point is that the auditor is not supposed to tell you anything, especially when there's a police investigation ongoing. So in the end, that information would be useless, you wouldn't even know if it's true or false.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2014, 01:22:42 AM

Quote from: btchip on June 13, 2014, 01:02:45 AM

Another genuinely naive question, of course you have no way to contact the guy to see if he had logs of his own ?

No I don't, for it was a Craigslist ad. To this day I've always had a feeling that it was Jeff Ownby of BFL, but not 100% certain of that. I wish it was, for it would make this episode a tad easier.

and the story a little bit better, I didn't expect that to be even possible to be honest.

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The wallet that contained the 0.835 bitcoins, which was returned to you, must have a deposit address which was used to fund it. Could this address then be used to locate to larger original deposit?

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Quote from: snarlpill on June 13, 2014, 01:15:19 AM

Posting so that I have this thread in my "new replies to your last posts" list so I can remember to follow along daily with your journey to be made whole again.

Also, I really wish I was some epic Black Hat and could get in, get your BTC back, and massively fuck/deface that shady Instawallet system. Good luck to you Phin. I may not be that person, but I'm hoping you already have a few people that do have those capabilities following along with it. A 400 BTC bounty will definitely turn heads and grab some headlines.

That was my intent, albeit the 400 BTC bounty was not a ruse, hence offering up escrow via Rassah. I just don't want this to be a total lost, with somehow, someway keeping as many future scammers at bay.

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Quote from: btchip on June 13, 2014, 01:02:45 AM

Another genuinely naive question, of course you have no way to contact the guy to see if he had logs of his own ?

No I don't, for it was a Craigslist ad. To this day I've always had a feeling that it was Jeff Ownby of BFL, but not 100% certain of that. I wish it was, for it would make this episode a tad easier.

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Quote from: btchip on June 13, 2014, 12:53:20 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 11:12:57 PM

Thanks, guys. You seem to have done more in hours what davout claims to have taken him a couple days, and he's running an exchange. That's a scary thought.

we're not doing the same thing - we're trying to look for addresses that could match your original deposit given the information you provided while davout was recursively looking for all addresses generated by Instawallet. Hopefully both approaches will meet at some point, and even better there'll be a way to verify that you actually were the owner of the address (still blurry there, but at least you'll get a starting point)

I also hold the secret hope that a graph oriented database will be faster than a recursive loop, but that's out of the scope of your current issues Grin

It would help if you could somehow recognize your original address from the list of addresses posted above, but that might not be very realistic.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 11:12:57 PM

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for davout to the independent auditor outta his ass.

what are you going to do with this information once you get it ?

Of course, none of the wallet IDs look familiar, for the info wasn't retained. Hell, I have a main address on blockchain.info I've used frequently, but couldn't tell you the first character after the one. And to thinks, back in the mid 80s to early 90s, I could easily retain 100 phone numbers sans writing them down simply by visualizing them to the name, or some characteristic of the person it was associated with. Or, give me an address and only a couple reference streets within a city I've never been to before, and I could find the place without looking at map.

In re. the auditor. For starters, it would prove that David was telling the truth that there was an auditor. Then, possibly it can be confirmed that there was a "hack" from some source outside of Paymium. Finally, we will learn if it was tampered with.

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Posting so that I have this thread in my "new replies to your last posts" list so I can remember to follow along daily with your journey to be made whole again.

Also, I really wish I was some epic Black Hat and could get in, get your BTC back, and massively fuck/deface that shady Instawallet system. Good luck to you Phin. I may not be that person, but I'm hoping you already have a few people that do have those capabilities following along with it. A 400 BTC bounty will definitely turn heads and grab some headlines.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2014, 01:00:01 AM

I believe it was just one, but taxing my memory that one stemmed from several wallets combined, taking him a tad while to configure whatever he was doing to accomplish the task. I had no reason to believe that whatever he was doing, something nefarious was afoot.

No worry. I understand that it's hard to remember something done in 2012.
It's just that the more information we get, the more we'll have a chance to retrieve one of these transactions.
In my first search, I've looked for 1 transaction with 1 output value between 1100 and 1200 btc and I think Nicolas did something similar.
But if it was done with several tx, this search won't give us the right tx and we'll need to search in another way.

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Another genuinely naive question, of course you have no way to contact the guy to see if he had logs of his own ?

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Quote from: laurentmt on June 13, 2014, 12:51:58 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

They were purchased anonymously at a restaurant halfway between Sandwich, IL, and Chicago, in Naperville, IL, about the second week of December, 2012. Taxing my memory, the total was 1,132 + x(single digit).xxx... and immediately put in a freshly created InstaWallet bitcoin wallet.

Do you remember if you did it with a single or several transactions ? It you did it with several tx, I fear the results sent by Nicolas and I won't match your case.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

A couple/three days later I split the three accounts up into 1,000, 132, and x.xxx... wallets, always using InstaWallet while in my possession. Hope that helps with your plans.

Same question: Do you remember if you did the split in a single or several transactions ?

I believe it was just one, but taxing my memory that one stemmed from several wallets combined, taking him a tad while to configure whatever he was doing to accomplish the task. I had no reason to believe that whatever he was doing, something nefarious was afoot.

In re. that last question: For some reason I'm having trouble recalling the exact steps or how many, but I want to say it was done all at the same time frame, but another part of me is thinking I waited to one of the first ones was confirmed before preceding further the same day or next.

Hell, a couple hours ago I tried to put a gallon of milk in the microwave thinking it was the refrigerator, but chalked that up to having shit on my mind, oppose to... now what the fuck is that word that describes people who forget shit? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 13, 2014, 12:25:22 AM

I'm in the process of digging up as many references as possible connect

you're wasting time here. The payment / banking / mobile / security / smartcard industry is small and you'll end up with the whole set in no time Grin

Quote from: laurentmt on June 13, 2014, 12:51:58 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

They were purchased anonymously at a restaurant halfway between Sandwich, IL, and Chicago, in Naperville, IL, about the second week of December, 2012. Taxing my memory, the total was 1,132 + x(single digit).xxx... and immediately put in a freshly created InstaWallet bitcoin wallet.

Do you remember if you did it with a single or several transactions ? It you did it with several tx, I fear the results sent by Nicolas and I won't match your case.

I also assumed one. It doesn't really make sense to do several transactions for a single purchase.

Quote from: laurentmt on June 13, 2014, 12:51:58 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 06:45:02 PM

A couple/three days later I split the three accounts up into 1,000, 132, and x.xxx... wallets, always using InstaWallet while in my possession. Hope that helps with your plans.

Same question: Do you remember if you did the split in a single or several transactions ?

this might or might not lead to something according to how Instawallet managed internal transfers.

also it would help to know when collections to the cold storage were done to limit the scope

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 11:12:57 PM

Thanks, guys. You seem to have done more in hours what davout claims to have taken him a couple days, and he's running an exchange. That's a scary thought.

we're not doing the same thing - we're trying to look for addresses that could match your original deposit given the information you provided while davout was recursively looking for all addresses generated by Instawallet. Hopefully both approaches will meet at some point, and even better there'll be a way to verify that you actually were the owner of the address (still blurry there, but at least you'll get a starting point)

I also hold the secret hope that a graph oriented database will be faster than a recursive loop, but that's out of the scope of your current issues Grin

It would help if you could somehow recognize your original address from the list of addresses posted above, but that might not be very realistic.

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on June 12, 2014, 11:12:57 PM

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for davout to the independent auditor outta his ass.

what are you going to do with this information once you get it ?

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