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Topic: [NEW] Bitmain Announces Antminer A3 - page 63. (Read 22431 times)

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January 17, 2018, 10:12:46 PM
Its legit... by chinese laws, bitmain can not sell this machine in the mainland by any cryptocurrency, they sell it only in RMB... you can check their chinese website
https://shop.bitmain.com/main.htm?lang=zh

and also by chinese law they must tell how many machines were available for sale... and in their announcement by Wechat account, they state there was 6000 machines just for mainland china

开售产品
蚂蚁矿机 A3 815G (适用于Blake2b算法币种)
功耗:1275W+7%
暂定价格:20800 RMB
开售时间:1月17日下午2点
本批数量:6000 台
发货时间:确认付款后7个工作日左右发货
备注:
1.现货产品无法修改地址
2.本批机器每个账户限购一台,不能使用优惠券
3.订单付款后需在官网上传付款信息,并把“订单号+付款人+付款金额+付款凭证”发给微信客服
4.付款需在2017年1月17日下午4点到账,逾期未到账订单将被取消

BTW, im not chinese... just been teaching english here for a few years

Here you can see they have received 8,881 BCH since the announcement. Divide that by the amount that i paid (1.41) = 6342 miners. However, I am sure they sold several power supplies as well, so 6000 units seems about right!

My question, is that 6000 just for china or 6000 for the whole planet?

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January 17, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Poor Obelisk Siacoin miners won't get their machines till later this year,  And thats a maybe.  Wow sucks.
I keep having this nagging feeling that Bitmain has a much deeper motive in this. I believe they will want to create a friendly partnership with the SC development team. Saia is into the cloud storage space which seems to lining up nicely with things like AI and or "Sophon". I suspect that if the Dev team gets dug in and fights Bitmain, there will be a takeover in the form of a fork. Wouldn't it behoove the two parties to come together and pool resources. Our little "Crypto World" is getting much broader and deeper than just mining coins and POW. I can't help but think that AI will replace ASIC mining at some point. Is this the "real" direction that Bitmain is going?
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January 17, 2018, 08:09:50 PM
Poor Obelisk Siacoin miners won't get their machines till later this year,  And thats a maybe.  Wow sucks.

They effectively killed that market before it shipped. Nobody is gonna want one of those, now. I'm not sure who wanted them before that... but now they don't want them for sure. Haha
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January 17, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
Poor Obelisk Siacoin miners won't get their machines till later this year,  And thats a maybe.  Wow sucks.
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January 17, 2018, 07:10:54 PM

Grats to the firsts come to serve with this AntMiner A3 ,  the fasters firts, will get early to the ROI ,  but 400$ /day will become 20$ /day at August...  its said  that BITMAIN its selling around 2000 - 2500 AntMiner A3....  2000 x 815GH = 1630 TH to  2037,5 TH will be added only with BITMAIN


It'll be $20.00 per day a lot sooner than August.

Much sooner.
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January 17, 2018, 06:35:58 PM

Grats to the firsts come to serve with this AntMiner A3 ,  the fasters firts, will get early to the ROI ,  but 400$ /day will become 20$ /day at August...  its said  that BITMAIN its selling around 2000 - 2500 AntMiner A3....  2000 x 815GH = 1630 TH to  2037,5 TH will be added only with BITMAIN


It'll be $20.00 per day a lot sooner than August.
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January 17, 2018, 06:17:22 PM

Grats to the firsts come to serve with this AntMiner A3 ,  the fasters firts, will get early to the ROI ,  but 400$ /day will become 20$ /day at August...  its said  that BITMAIN its selling around 2000 - 2500 AntMiner A3....  2000 x 815GH = 1630 TH to  2037,5 TH will be added only with BITMAIN

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January 17, 2018, 06:09:38 PM
I'm not understanding the algorithm that it uses, can anyone find much information about it?

Sai Coin is the main thing you'd be mining on this algo



I think ZEC, Zash.   I lookup a profit calculator, it was $ 83 per month.   Not good for $ 2400 machine.. 

Pass

lol zec is equihash.  Why chime in if you have no idea what you are talking about?

Lol.  Wow ... He has a lot more thinking to do.
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January 17, 2018, 05:34:23 PM

It is is good question.  WHY would they make a miner for blake2b?


I asked that a few pages back... seems kind of random. Someone else here suggested maybe its to f--k with the team behind Sia, who is also making miners? Seems petty to spend so much money on miners just to funk with a competitor... but with only ONE coin to mine on this machine, who knows? At least with D3's one could play an Altcoin game and mine a few other random things with it. This is literally a brick once profitability dies, and you don't even get to play with anything else. Just seems weird.

Oh well... they still make $10M selling them.
It seems strange unless they are interested in some sort of collaboration or development that would compliment a decentralized cloud storage goal. From SOPHON:

"Deep learning sets off the explosive development of AI applications, leading humans to enter the intelligent era from the information age. It takes both the 'engine', massive computing power, and the 'fuel', a huge amount of data, to successfully launch the deep learning rocket into the AI sky. Based on its extensive experiences in the development and production of chip and system, Bitmain is dedicated to developing the tensor computing processor and related products focusing on accelerating deep learning and serving the better cost effective and the lower power consuming solutions for AI."

This new Antminer A3 miner appears to be a basis for Bitmain's entrance into a cryptocurrency which will support the massive off-site data storage requirements inherent in its AI operations.

From Blake2.net - This algo utilizes parallelism and other tools to increase speed.  Q: Why is BLAKE2 so fast?
A: BLAKE2 is fast in software because it exploits features of modern CPUs, namely instruction-level parallelism, SIMD instruction set extensions, and multiple cores. BLAKE2 also benefits from the optimization work performed during the SHA-3 competition (see for example this paper by two of the designers of BLAKE2).

Q: Why do you want BLAKE2 to be fast? Aren't fast hashes bad?
A: You want your hash function to be fast if you are using it to compute the secure hash of a large amount of data, such as in distributed filesystems (e.g. Tahoe-LAFS), cloud storage systems (e.g. OpenStack Swift), intrusion detection systems (e.g. Samhain), integrity-checking local filesystems (e.g. ZFS), peer-to-peer file-sharing tools (e.g. BitTorrent), or version control systems (e.g. git). You only want your hash function to be slow if you're using it to "stretch" user-supplied passwords, in which case see the next question.
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January 17, 2018, 05:27:01 PM

It is is good question.  WHY would they make a miner for blake2b?


I asked that a few pages back... seems kind of random. Someone else here suggested maybe its to f--k with the team behind Sia, who is also making miners? Seems petty to spend so much money on miners just to funk with a competitor... but with only ONE coin to mine on this machine, who knows? At least with D3's one could play an Altcoin game and mine a few other random things with it. This is literally a brick once profitability dies, and you don't even get to play with anything else. Just seems weird.

Oh well... they still make $10M selling them.
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January 17, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
SO...  What you are saying... :-)   Its not going to be profitable after the ROI but you will make your money back in quick enough time and the rest is gravy.....  So  if its 500 a day, for  8 days, and progressively tapers off to 50 a day... and at 50 a day it is still higher than bitcoin.  Yes, risky move, but like when I got the call at 2 am, I was told if you get batch 1, great, if not, never look at it again.  12 second decision on this might be awesome, but it might be bad.  But I know one thing, I will at least get my money back, either by running it, or selling it to another sucker locally who knows less then me!

A 3 for sale, anyone interested ;-)  I will sell it for 7200 Cnd. It will be shipped to western Canada.  I will ship anywhere, you just pay for the shipping you want too!

If the D3 was so bad, why is it still for sale?
If the A 3 is an acronym for A nother 3 - we are all screwed.

What ever happened to bitcoin when S9's were introduced? or s7, s5?  etc...  bitcoin is still around, yes difficulty is higher, but the same people said the same thing about that too.

Why would any company spend so much on R&D for the A3 knowing that it will flop?  Doesnt make sense.  Better yet, why would that other company make and plan to release asic for blake2b later this year?   Oh becuase there is no market for it... right?




It is is good question.  WHY would they make a miner for blake2b?
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January 17, 2018, 03:45:16 PM
Why would any company spend so much on R&D for the A3 knowing that it will flop? 

I don't think they care too much about how successful the miner will be in terms of ROI. They turned $13M worth of miners in 20 minutes... and if they do the same for batch 2, 3, 4, 5 etc, that alone will probably be worth way more than what they spent on R&D.

More or less, exactly. They make an unimaginable amount of money per year by simply selling the miners, not even including whatever it is they're mining with, god knows how much money they make with their farms.
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January 17, 2018, 03:14:03 PM
BTW here is a good site where you can model future Sia and Decred earnings with  Obelisk and Bitmain.  

Obelisk data are preloaded there, and I just added Bitmain.

If you estimate that Bitmain is also mining with his miners, and put 10000 miners in 1st batch, you will get profit of $1500 for the 1st month

Here is the link with my data loaded :

http://www.sialytics.com/sc1?state=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



I don't think there will be 10000 pcs sold, but less...
I you read further posts, you could see that i predicted exact figure - 10000   Wink
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January 17, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
Why would any company spend so much on R&D for the A3 knowing that it will flop? 

I don't think they care too much about how successful the miner will be in terms of ROI. They turned $13M worth of miners in 20 minutes... and if they do the same for batch 2, 3, 4, 5 etc, that alone will probably be worth way more than what they spent on R&D.
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January 17, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
SO...  What you are saying... :-)   Its not going to be profitable after the ROI but you will make your money back in quick enough time and the rest is gravy.....  So  if its 500 a day, for  8 days, and progressively tapers off to 50 a day... and at 50 a day it is still higher than bitcoin.  Yes, risky move, but like when I got the call at 2 am, I was told if you get batch 1, great, if not, never look at it again.  12 second decision on this might be awesome, but it might be bad.  But I know one thing, I will at least get my money back, either by running it, or selling it to another sucker locally who knows less then me!

A 3 for sale, anyone interested ;-)  I will sell it for 7200 Cnd. It will be shipped to western Canada.  I will ship anywhere, you just pay for the shipping you want too!

If the D3 was so bad, why is it still for sale?
If the A 3 is an acronym for A nother 3 - we are all screwed.

What ever happened to bitcoin when S9's were introduced? or s7, s5?  etc...  bitcoin is still around, yes difficulty is higher, but the same people said the same thing about that too.

Why would any company spend so much on R&D for the A3 knowing that it will flop?  Doesnt make sense.  Better yet, why would that other company make and plan to release asic for blake2b later this year?   Oh becuase there is no market for it... right?


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January 17, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
wow! another asic for alt coin and the current profitability is off charts
roi in less than 5 days at current prices and difficulty
wait a few months and see the difficulty increase hundred fold and profit decrease hundred fold like d3

Yeah... I wouldn't touch this thing with a 10 ft pole, same as the D3.

Even in this industry, a 5 day ROI is not believable.
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January 17, 2018, 12:59:54 PM
wow! another asic for alt coin and the current profitability is off charts
roi in less than 5 days at current prices and difficulty
wait a few months and see the difficulty increase hundred fold and profit decrease hundred fold like d3
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January 17, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Hello, I am selling one Antminer A3 without psu, brand new, directly in bitmain. Price is a lot lower than on ebay. 0.6 BTC. Please who is interested write to [email protected]

We can make a call or verification process to ensure you it is legit sale. I have no account on ebay and wanna simply sell this miner.

Waiting for your inquiries.
0.6 BTC? You must be nuts.
I will give you 6 BTC

6 BTC!? For that I'll personally fly to China (business class) and pick one up for you. Deal?
LOL!! I think he meant .6 HAHA!! If he didn't I'll sell 1 for 1.2 BTC. Won't even open it. Send it straight to you 2 day air included.
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January 17, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
Were anyone able to use coupons for this?

No...

I was able to use a $300 coupon but only 1 coupon.
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January 17, 2018, 12:45:47 PM
Hello, I am selling one Antminer A3 without psu, brand new, directly in bitmain. Price is a lot lower than on ebay. 0.6 BTC. Please who is interested write to [email protected]

We can make a call or verification process to ensure you it is legit sale. I have no account on ebay and wanna simply sell this miner.

Waiting for your inquiries.
0.6 BTC? You must be nuts.
I will give you 6 BTC

6 BTC!? For that I'll personally fly to China (business class) and pick one up for you. Deal?
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