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July 16, 2023, 01:25:53 PM
Couple of hours ago there is in news on Twitter saying BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) are developing a new currency. It was mentioned by State Duma Deputy Chairmen btw.

As I can see all these things to manipulate BTC right? What are your thoughts about this?

Nope. This is just an attempt to bring the US Dollar down (aka de-dollarization). It won't affect Bitcoin because the cryptocurrency is decentralized. The new BRICS currency would be another centralized Fiat money system that will be used among member states. Nothing innovative here. They would've used BTC as their main currency if they really wanted to "beat" the US Dollar.

I don't get why they've decided to make their own currency instead. Maybe it's about control/power? They can't make their own rules on a decentralized cryptocurrency like Bitcoin. There's a lot of "buzz" surrounding BRICS' new currency, so time will tell us how successful it will turn out to be after launch. Either way, don't expect BTC to go anywhere soon. Just my opinion Smiley
legendary
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July 16, 2023, 11:57:58 AM
News is that BRICS is working on a gold-backed currency to trade and will probably announce this in the coming months. Speculations are that the currency might be crypto, but, I think they will not adopt crypto as a currency to trade. BRICS is launching it to reduce the dominance of the USD. However, India has backed off from this proposal as they think it is China's plan for its global dominance. India, at the moment, is looking to strengthen its currency.

BRICS countries want to create a currency backed by GOLD ? Are you serious?
Let's take the long way around ? Smiley Can you provide data on several issues ?
1. List of BRICS member countries
2. List of BRICS countries with ZVR - OPEN and PUBLIC data
3. List of BRICS countries who will allow to audit gold reserves in ZVR ? Smiley

You will not answer the third question. Because there is no answer. Therefore, about the currency "backed by gold", you can either dream or know in advance that gold backing is a FAKE ! For a simple reason - it is impossible to verify and prove the backing ! The largest economy among the BRICS countries is China. The data is classified and will not be opened unequivocally.  Other countries - also manipulate and hide this data trying to show a pretty picture.
And most importantly - NO COUNTRY will allow AUDIT of gold reserves ! And in such a situation - what will the BRICS currency be secured with ? I answer - with fakes and technologically backward markets and countries Smiley
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July 15, 2023, 07:37:02 AM
World trade has depended on the US dollar for centuries. Currently, the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine has a major impact on the US dollar. BRICS was created mainly around this effect. So that the dominance of the US dollar in world trade can be broken. Many countries believe that if it becomes effective, the BRICS countries will be able to trade in their own currencies. And this will reduce dependence on the dollar. But I don't think BRICS will be able to break the dominance of the US dollar in the world market.

Any threat to any sector of the world economy must be taken seriously. Because this concerns the position of the dollar which is getting weakened. The US can't stay silent and it's as if the BRICS doesn't have a big impact. If you look at the ways of the BRICS countries, of course you also realize that the US Dollar reached its worst point of all time. If the policy of printing money for the US was easy in a matter of seconds then why does its value remain unquestioned?

BRICS conducts purchasing transactions on a large scale, and what they buy is the basic needs of the world. De dollarization will slowly work its way up, it just takes the right time to see the US Dollar no longer has value.
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July 15, 2023, 06:54:54 AM
In my opinion, the steps of the BRICS countries planning to issue a new currency are not to manipulate BTC but they want to break away from dependence on the US Dollar. As we know, for nearly a century America has monopolized world currencies, which requires all countries to use US dollars in trade transactions. Moreover, the BRICS countries are allies of Russia who are enemies of the US.

i was thinking that also, not because to manipulate BTC. since russia is still at war, and they have sanctions everywhere, they need to find an alternative currency outside USD. let us see what kind of currency they will come up with. but for sure, it will be limited to their allies. because let's admit US$ is still the major global currency up until now.
it may still be fiat-based. but china i guess will vote for their yuan. don't know if they are amenable for a new currency in the world trade.
Indeed, the US Dollar is still the world's main currency today. Because of that, the BRICS countries want to leave dependence on the US dollar in trade transactions. Russia's allies do not want the US dollar to become a monopoly in world trade transactions. However, America also doesn't want other countries not to use US Dollars in trade because one of America's goals is that all countries must use US dollars so that America can control their country so that these countries must depend on America.
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July 15, 2023, 04:20:24 AM
World trade has depended on the US dollar for centuries. Currently, the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine has a major impact on the US dollar. BRICS was created mainly around this effect. So that the dominance of the US dollar in world trade can be broken. Many countries believe that if it becomes effective, the BRICS countries will be able to trade in their own currencies. And this will reduce dependence on the dollar. But I don't think BRICS will be able to break the dominance of the US dollar in the world market.
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July 15, 2023, 01:52:07 AM
BRICS was created to try to break dominance or reduce dependence on the US Dollar in world trade transactions, if news about BRICS has an impact on the Bitcoin market it is only done by speculators to take profits either to sell or buy at low prices so that when the BTC price returns go up then get profit, but BRICS has no direct relationship with BTC, and because one of the initiators of BRICS is China, it is very impossible for BRICS to have anything to do with Bitcoin where China doesn't like BTC.

Not only China but also India has an unfriendly attitude towards bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, so I don't see any connection between the BRICS block and bitcoin. Bitcoin is not really important and is not the primary concern of world leaders, but many people are exaggerating bitcoin unnecessarily.

That right, the main goal of the BRICS is to break the dominance of USD and Euro. I have also heard about the news that they are creating their own coin backed by gold, but no final decision has been made yet due to some disagreement among the bloc members.
To be honest, reducing the dependence on USD in world trade transactions is extremely difficult but not impossible. It's hard to say at the moment, let's see where this goes and what BRICS can do.
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July 15, 2023, 12:20:01 AM
BRICS was created to try to break dominance or reduce dependence on the US Dollar in world trade transactions, if news about BRICS has an impact on the Bitcoin market it is only done by speculators to take profits either to sell or buy at low prices so that when the BTC price returns go up then get profit, but BRICS has no direct relationship with BTC, and because one of the initiators of BRICS is China, it is very impossible for BRICS to have anything to do with Bitcoin where China doesn't like BTC.
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July 14, 2023, 11:30:27 PM
There are a number of difficulties in introducing this currency. For example, whose currency will have the largest share. At the moment, this role is claimed by the yuan, but whether other countries will agree to it. As far as I know, India is not entirely happy with the proposed conditions

I don't even think this will wce work because it will be very difficult for the USD to be dumped easily without a stringer currency that is strong than the USD. If the BRICS currency is still in agitation, it will take a long time for this to be recognized even though the Chinese Yuan is acceptable as the BRICS currency. We need to watch how this is going to play out because is like this is not going to be easy since the USD is still one of the best currency we have in the world that is stable and generally acceptable. Yuan might be accepted and use by the BRICS countries but what about the West? Are they going to accept that? I don't think so for now.

BRICS was established not only to combat and reduce dependence on the USD, but the goal of BRICS is to create a new economy to balance the economies of the US and its EU allies. Therefore, BRICS will not care if the West agrees or not, what they care about is attracting countries that are not members of Nato to agree and join the bloc.

Reducing dependence on USD is a huge challenge for BRICS, I don't know where they are going, but I support what they are doing. The world needs to be fair, power should be divided equally, not let one country or one bloc dominate.
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July 14, 2023, 09:19:52 PM
They aren't saying all those things to "manipulate" the price of bitcoin. BRICS as far as I know, is indeed looking for a new currency. By new, I mean create a different currency and use it to trade. But as far as I know, they aren't considering bitcoin or any crypto currencies. So yeah, if you read that they are going to make a crypto currencies their default currency to trade or make the new currency that they are making with bitcoin, then very likely it is a fake news, a click bait or just trying to manipulate the market. But wouldn't that be nice if they do consider bitcoin?
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July 14, 2023, 06:51:42 PM
There are a number of difficulties in introducing this currency. For example, whose currency will have the largest share. At the moment, this role is claimed by the yuan, but whether other countries will agree to it. As far as I know, India is not entirely happy with the proposed conditions

I don't even think this will wce work because it will be very difficult for the USD to be dumped easily without a stringer currency that is strong than the USD. If the BRICS currency is still in agitation, it will take a long time for this to be recognized even though the Chinese Yuan is acceptable as the BRICS currency. We need to watch how this is going to play out because is like this is not going to be easy since the USD is still one of the best currency we have in the world that is stable and generally acceptable. Yuan might be accepted and use by the BRICS countries but what about the West? Are they going to accept that? I don't think so for now.
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July 14, 2023, 06:13:58 PM
#99
In my opinion, the steps of the BRICS countries planning to issue a new currency are not to manipulate BTC but they want to break away from dependence on the US Dollar. As we know, for nearly a century America has monopolized world currencies, which requires all countries to use US dollars in trade transactions. Moreover, the BRICS countries are allies of Russia who are enemies of the US.

I don't think all the BRICS countries are enemies of the U.S.
Great Britain is a sister nation to U.S and is also among countries vying for the BRICS currency.
The USD is world dominant and its scarcity affects the economy on different frontier, this wants to be changed. It is also because of the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, trading has became difficult for the neighboring countries and with U.S vying for its own agenda, it is clear the motive, because they are world power and can influence the outcome of the war by manipulating its currency and this wants to be stopped. Hence the idea of a new currency. If the Yuan gets adopted then USD knows it is only a matter of time before more countries will abandon it for the Yuan. Mind you, 1 Chinese Yuan is equals 0.14usd.
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July 14, 2023, 04:09:26 PM
#98
There are a number of difficulties in introducing this currency. For example, whose currency will have the largest share. At the moment, this role is claimed by the yuan, but whether other countries will agree to it. As far as I know, India is not entirely happy with the proposed conditions
There are wholesale problems in such a project that can be deduced from the power difference between the Brexit member states.  In addition to the fact that China is the largest economically, and therefore it will be the one with the strongest decision or the last decision, it cannot be overlooked that the rest of the member states cannot bypass their economic relations with the United States so easily.  The most important evidence for this is when we verify the reserves of those countries in foreign currency, we will find that most of them are in dollars.  This is in addition to the volume of trade exchanges with the United States. 
The project is important and could see the light, but I do not think it is as easy as it is being promoted.
legendary
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July 14, 2023, 03:39:28 PM
#97
This is not really unheard of, so we do understand why that exists and why that's a trouble. I am not saying that it's a bad thing or a good thing, of course it's bad for economy NOW, but that's how you grow, you go into excess debt and ruin your economy for a while to build stuff you otherwise wouldn't build. Think of a rich person in that case, like someone who has 400 million dollars, and he has 100 million in cash, and 300 million in assets, but also has 250 million in debt.

You know they can pay you, and you know they shouldn't have done that, but thanks to that their assets worth 300 million, that's how they grew. China did it, USA did it and even EU did it as well, it's a common thing to have bad economy just to grow it.

The whole question is, which countries have great economies? There are no such countries, despite the presence of experienced economists. In fact, by issuing BRICS currencies, countries fall from one dependency to another - that is, they move away from dependence on the US and become dependent on China. Exchange soap for soap
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July 14, 2023, 03:34:21 PM
#96
As other contributors have already noted, to think something like this is nothing more than paranoid speculation and one that enters perforce into the topics of discussion about bitcoin, there are a number of reasons why a number of countries have been seeking to break free of the US dollar as the predominant global fiat currency of reference and cryptocurrencies have little to do with that "power play". Even though everything in the global economy is, at least, minimally linked, to consider this fact as one that can significantly affect bitcoin in any way is quite far-fetched. It seems to me a statement that leaves out many necessary considerations in this regard.
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July 14, 2023, 02:41:05 PM
#95
They are experiencing the negative effects of their excessive bubble economy. But let's not forget that even bubbles can produce a rainbow. China's economic tenacity and flexibility in the face of adversity is fascinating to see. However, you make a valid argument; today is not their lucky day. This brings us to Russia. There's no denying how upsetting this situation is. Like trying to clean your house by lighting it on fire, war accomplishes nothing and is hardly an indication of sound judgement on anyone's part. Despite the fall of the rouble, we must not underestimate Russia. Similar to how history tends to repeat itself, so do economic cycles. Keep in mind, my friend, that the international stage is not a chessboard. It's more like a game of Jenga, where one misstep may bring the whole structure tumbling down.
This is not really unheard of, so we do understand why that exists and why that's a trouble. I am not saying that it's a bad thing or a good thing, of course it's bad for economy NOW, but that's how you grow, you go into excess debt and ruin your economy for a while to build stuff you otherwise wouldn't build. Think of a rich person in that case, like someone who has 400 million dollars, and he has 100 million in cash, and 300 million in assets, but also has 250 million in debt.

You know they can pay you, and you know they shouldn't have done that, but thanks to that their assets worth 300 million, that's how they grew. China did it, USA did it and even EU did it as well, it's a common thing to have bad economy just to grow it.
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July 14, 2023, 09:03:14 AM
#94
In my opinion, the steps of the BRICS countries planning to issue a new currency are not to manipulate BTC but they want to break away from dependence on the US Dollar. As we know, for nearly a century America has monopolized world currencies, which requires all countries to use US dollars in trade transactions. Moreover, the BRICS countries are allies of Russia who are enemies of the US.

i was thinking that also, not because to manipulate BTC. since russia is still at war, and they have sanctions everywhere, they need to find an alternative currency outside USD. let us see what kind of currency they will come up with. but for sure, it will be limited to their allies. because let's admit US$ is still the major global currency up until now.
it may still be fiat-based. but china i guess will vote for their yuan. don't know if they are amenable for a new currency in the world trade.
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July 14, 2023, 07:53:51 AM
#93
Couple of hours ago there is in news on Twitter saying BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) are developing a new currency. It was mentioned by State Duma Deputy Chairmen btw.

As I can see all these things to manipulate BTC right? What are your thoughts about this?

I think it would be wise to look at the above closely, meaning it remains to be seen how this new currency will be implemented and what impact it will have on the global financial landscape. While this is seen as an exciting development, I think it warrants further careful scrutiny in understanding the potential implications for traditional currencies and cryptocurrencies.
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July 14, 2023, 05:47:28 AM
#92
In my opinion, the steps of the BRICS countries planning to issue a new currency are not to manipulate BTC but they want to break away from dependence on the US Dollar. As we know, for nearly a century America has monopolized world currencies, which requires all countries to use US dollars in trade transactions. Moreover, the BRICS countries are allies of Russia who are enemies of the US.
legendary
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July 14, 2023, 04:44:10 AM
#91
actually this news has been very popular in all media, and this is not a threat to bitcoin but a big threat to the dollar because with the presence of a new currency the dollar will definitely be abandoned and this becomes a new economic competition for the country, and can weaken the dollar, BRICS is a country that is indeed very influential so this is a way to free yourself from the dominance of the dollar, And this will not affect Bitcoin because Bitcoin is not one of the legitimate currencies for now, so its value remains safe and there will definitely be another increase.
The BRICS is indeed quite shocking the world with their economy which is even getting stronger. Even the BRICS Members will probably add more. Even from the Twitter account page @BRICSinfo, I got information that there are about 15 more countries that are interested in joining BRICS. Even Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates which have strong economies also seem to be on the list. This will certainly further strengthen BRICS' position in the global economy. Especially China and Russia which have more influence there. But all this seems to prove that China is really serious about competing with America in terms of the economy. A weaker dollar may one day occur. but I don't think in the near future. because America also has a very strong economic power. so defeating the US Dollar is the hardest thing for any country.


Sourch: https://twitter.com/BRICSinfo/status/1678069729431285762?s=20


Twitter is of course the most reliable source of the most real information Smiley
One simple question - can you find and show everyone here the information - the exchange rate of all currencies, of the BRICS member countries, against the dollar, which they are "effectively fighting". A graph for the last 3 months ? Smiley
When you find it, and very probably you will not want to publish it, you will realize that the fairy tale about "BRICS is really shocking the world with its economy, which is even getting stronger" is a fairy tale !
Unfortunately many people see the "public", "advertising" side of BRICS, but not everyone BEFORE they realize what China is really doing, with its "anti-western friends". And I don't understand yet - where it will lead to ! The problem is that when the veil comes off - these "friends" will be in a very difficult position. At the same time, China is really MONOPOLIZING and will CONTROL the economy of its "friends". Or rather "guinea pigs"
I think it would be great if you yourself had to show about it. " the information - the exchange rate of all currencies, of the BRICS member countries, against the dollar, which they are "effectively fighting". A graph for the last 3 months " Because that's your percentage. I hope you explain it in more detail along with complete data from the most trusted sources you can find. So that I can learn and understand more quickly about this.  Smiley

And of course you also have the right references or information so you can come to this one conclusion.
"you will realize that the fairy tale about "BRICS is really shocking the world with its economy, which is even getting stronger" is a fairy tale !




Sorry, but I don't play games like that Smiley
Let me make it clear - I am not your teacher and not a relative who sets you on the path of righteousness Smiley
Whatever information I give you, if it does not suit you, or rather does not correspond to your position, the answer will be "these are not the facts, not the sources, and where is the evidence that the facts are facts,...".  I have experience, so I stick to another concept - if you REALLY want to know the truth, you can easily find such data yourself. The only one to whom this approach does not suit is those who are afraid of the truth, especially the truth to which they will come themselves. And you cannot ask yourself the question "where are the prufs, references, proofs". Smiley

Regarding the second part - see above Smiley There is such a thing - cause-and-effect relationship, experience and understanding of processes. And if you are not afraid to find the truth from the previous sentence, you will understand why the "power and greatness of BRICS" is a fairy tale Smiley Read the analytics on the state of the economies of this union. Only India looks more or less good, the rest have either glaring problems or hidden bubbles that will soon burst.
In a word - I recommend not to ask for "links with evidence", but to study, to gain knowledge, to study history, to learn to understand what actions and situations lead to what consequences !

PS. Please provide "links with facts" that I am wrong ?  Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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July 13, 2023, 03:21:24 PM
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I wouldn't put it past them. The only country to worry about in "BRICS" would be China. India's economy is not yet large enough and they're more democratized than the CCP. China's looking to form dependence on Yuan by other countries -- does it seem so wildly speculative that China predicts Bitcoin to be a future threat? Do not think short term -- think 10-20 years down the line. Could there reasonably be a world in which countries use decentralized currencies to conduct bilateral trades/transactions that would cause China some concern if their long term goal is Yuan dependence onto other countries?
I feel like whatever nations can do, they are allowed to it, not like anyone forces them to do anything. Lets assume that China is spending money and time on making other nations depend on them, if other nations don't fall for it, they can avoid it, but if other nations end up accepting that, then there is nothing we can do about it.

For example, China is spending tens of billions of dollars to build amazing infrastructures, literally making the nation from scratch, its airports, roads, hospitals and so much more and in return they only want one thing; trade them using yuan and nothing else. They don't even meddle with us spending dollar in trading with others, they only want us to trade using yuan with them, if more then that's great but the only requirement is them.

Is that a trick to make us depend on them? Surely, but they are at least giving something in return too, so far we have used dollars with everyone and USA offered absolutely nothing for it, so this is at least better.


I'm not suggesting countries don't have a right to conduct business with other countries. Take Africa for example. African countries have been effected by imperialisms for ages so it's perfectly within their right for these to countries open up their markets to outside countries, and most recently they've  formed partnerships with Chinese state run enterprises which is modernizing their infrastructure. It's also creating a dependency on China. African countries can determine whether the business partnerships and new infrastructure are worth it.

I did read a story that suggested BRICS might try out gold back decentralized currencies to conduct transactions. In such case, it'd be better to use that instead of trading in USD given how unstable it's gotten.
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