Topic: New Official AMT Thread - page 73. (Read 149472 times)

And in a sense more expensive without those things. Personally I think it would have taken a little bit of simple engineering to make it work. I suggested a few options....a metal plate to hold them in......I did also suggest the kit in an email I sent. I guess they went with that. Just didn't expect the price....kinda sucks. I got lucky and got both of mine in pretty good shape.

Well then, why the delay in settling with your clients?  That's just how the world works,  you don't deliver on your promises,  we can take you to court to shut down your business.

You have no choice but to settle.   None of the options that you have offered have a snow ball's chance in hell of succeeding under the current market conditions.

The part where plaintiff's counsel has directly threatened to file a motion in order to stop all of our business operations all together unless we settle with all clients via their class action suite. That's why we can longer discuss person order situations,refund options or settlement options via this forum or our public site.

Guess Bitmain got fed up with shippers playing football with miners. Seems most folks shipping large miners have ran into this issue albeit the Ants are packed par-excellence vs ahem, others we've seen.... Now the S2 is only as kit. No case, no psu. Bet it flat packs great.

When I spoke with the lawyer, she said that unless you opt out of the lawsuit (to pursue your own personal legal action) then you are automatically included. They issued AMT a formal complaint which they responded to last month with a request for an extension (big surprise there) which the judge granted. They now have until mid-June to confer with their lawyer(s) in Philadelphia and proceedings will begin at that time. I can provide the information of the lawyer (with her permission) to anyone who wants their story to go on record.

Are all 1.2 Th customers that received nothing included in the lawsuit?  If not, whom do i contact to join class action lawsuit?
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Agreed.

ISAWHIM and OPIEUM2 - it's my belief that Joshua is extremely desperate, thus why he has brought you in on this "solution".

Except there will be no solution. He's using you two to relay these "positive measures" that are being taken to rectify this. He wants you two to come on here and convince everyone that "it will be alright, we're working it out - just give us more time".

Like every other time prior to this, nothing will be done or fixed and another month will pass. These are simply more stall tactics.

If Joshua wants to do right by his customer base, he will refund everyone who has been asking for theirs, then let them decide if they want to sink that money back into AMT once they resolve their issues.

The reality is that AMT used all of customers money to create this startup, and not giving refunds, which are completely justified - is against the law. This is part of why AMT is being prosecuted, they have broken many laws that protect consumers - and continue to do so to this day.

I wouldn't suggest holding your breath on the RMA or new miner solution. They had their chance and surely enough time, to build and deliver working miners. They failed miserably...time to issue refunds!

AMT is holding all money hostage, saying : "Take our new revamped miner, or nothing!" This is completely illegal.

At the end of the day, it's obvious to see that Josh has the means to issue refunds - but he'd rather spend all that money trying to desperately get a miner design working and functional, so he can continue to sell these into the future and make profits. He's trying to take a messy situation, and turn it around in a way where he can still profit in the future (AKA: Looking out for his own ass and profitability, instead of the customers).

Wtf is wrong with you guys, now they have you suckers believing that they are trying to fix everything, seems like they even have a few of you on payroll now. Gotta be kidding me! Look at the garbage they have put out, join the lawsuits, shut them down.

Bruno, those are weak threats by a sissy little man, keep dragging those bastards through the mud and if they try anything, end them.

I guess June 10th is the deadline?

So is it a good thing that AMT is waiting for the absolute deadline to respond?  They've got a whole bunch of customers that are completely in the dark with regards to shipping and support.   So how is it that waiting for the last minute is going to help them make their case?

BTW, what's the name of the judge that's presiding in this case?

AMT should consider them lucky that the plaintiff's chose to sue in a court local to them.  Imagine if the court was in Texas!

So you mean to tell me, not only are they threatening to withhold refunds from people, now they a resorting to violence? Their behavior is very concerning. Why does this company have so many enemies? Could everyone be wrong? Resorting to violence will not resolve anything.

Do not get involved with AMT DUDE!!!!
Take it as friendly advise. This just doesn't woth it!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said you know your situation best and do what you feel you have to do to get results. At least wait until the response on the 10th to see what happens next. Their response will be what determines what action you should take next. Its a hard deadline anyway the court set. So its the best we all got to see what happens next. And since there are lawyers involved it at least there is accountability in the process which is what we all want anyway in this at this point.

If I had to guess there will be an RMA process and something to replace these bad boards/designs. Not sure what the nature of that will be....but I am taking a wild guess here based on cases of a similar nature. This does take time to happen if there was no process for that previously.

How long ago did I ask for new FUNCTIONAL backplane boards? About 2 months ago, "Yeah, they should be there this week casey" --AMT

Not a single email or anything for replacement backplanes, why do you do this to me?

Lord, please forgive them.

It's great all the new projects, but we have been waiting since 2013. They told me to RMA my miner before, I did and I was told it would be a quick turn around. Instead they never bothered to go pick the thing up.  What kind of company doesn't even pick up their mail? Again, AMT told me to send it back when they had no intentions on picking up the miner. Sorry if I am not so excited about their next big thing, I been hearing it for too long.

At the end of the day time will tell what the deal is here. They made the effort to reach out to us to address SOME of their problems, they at least acknowledge that they have them. At one point even that was not happening. So its a step in the right direction at least. But yea until something solid happens it is all talk. There is work being done on this. I am working on some things for them as is ISAWHIM and NotFuzzyWarm I believe. And as I stated before, because each of us has a personal stake in this, we have a HUGE incentive in making sure this is a success nof just for us but the community at large (notably all those that got screwed in this). It is very rare to have a vendor come to the community in this way for help. So its worth engaging with them to address this. 

Everyone who is unhappy of course has their course of action to take to address what they feel they need to do to get justice....I am not saying don't....at the end of the day you know your situation and you know what you need to do best for yourself. I am saying that I have a different perspective on things and a much more inside look than I had a couple days ago. It does not erase what happened, but at the same time those of us working at it get a shot to contribute in a way that helps us all.

Remember, these are the same people who became unreasonable when we asked for refunds. The same people who offered option, but never delivered. I don't need cooling, I don't have working hardware to cool. They have broken many promises, why should we suddenly believe it is now different. Where did they come up with the idea that no one is entitled to refunds, regardless of how bad AMT messed things up. I am not buying it...

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In short, ditto all around.

Those are decisions AMT needs to make, and I presume they have been slapped with some kind of injunction to prevent some kind of quick settlement (which does happen not info I am privy to). Sadly not my area (if it were on me I would find a way to refund who I could, but not my call and I don't know about that side of things). It does seem they are making an honest attempt to make things right for people and they do own the mistakes they have made (which is huge if you consider others who are not), They also are getting more involved in getting the RIGHT partners to build out replacements and such. ISAWHIM and I are getting involved to provide some engineering and operational experience in these things as consultants of sorts. I can't be sure what the result is ultimately as I don't have a day to day picture. I only know what their plans are...they are a hell of alot more achievable than the previous attempt. But in some key ways we do have more involvement in implementation. And considering our personal stakes in this you can bet we are making sure that this implementation is WAY better than what we got. We have already discussed alot of things on this forum over that.....so now we are working towards actual solutions....it might not solve refunds (as thats the business side we are not involved in) but at the very least we can make sure all of us can get some quality products this time around. Might not mean much and it is "words" at this point but it's better than silence on the matter completely.

The situation sucks though no matter how you look at it. Having run 3 startups myself and been a Sr member of two others I know how bad it can get if there is a bad link in the chain, and here there were many. They ultimately left too many things to chance and reliance on unreliable partners. I think AMT has learned from that and is moving forward with more self-reliant options...I am looking at the various companies out there screwing people and they really do not try to make any effort to make things right. A couple do, but most of them do not. AMT is trying now. We will know the official word in June about the lawsuit. Noone but the legal people know whats really going on there and where things will go from that point. I imagine a settlement will be announced once the judge signs off on it. We all want this over with to move on.

It doesn't matter if AMT has a brilliant strategy or technology going forward,  they simply have no ability to execute.   Execution is non-existent.    They can't even ship boxes correctly.

I really am not holding my breath waiting for another product.  I expect, like most other AMT customers, a complete refund.  

If AMT insists in shipping me more product,  I will continue to demand that the MPP be honored!

That makes no sense. Which part of the lawsuit bans AMT from giving delivery dates? Which part of the lawsuit overrides FTC regulations? Which part of the lawsuit makes refunds illegal? People just want their refunds or delivery dates, the 2 things required by FTC regulations. No lawsuit could hinder those actions by AMT.