Topic: New way to keep your seed phrase secure. - page 2. (Read 602 times)

Have you asked yourself "what if translator had update in the future and when you try to translate from your local language to English, it gives you another meaning." You will lose everything you have in your wallet and that's when you will know that you are in deep shit.

A seed phrase are words that were carefully picked from 2048 words for BIP 39 word list]

Have you asked yourself "what if translator had update in the future and when you try to translate from your local language to English, it gives you another meaning." You will lose everything you have in your wallet and that's when you will know that you are in deep shit.

A seed phrase are words that were carefully picked from 2048 words for BIP 39 word list, any attempt to manipulate or played with these words, it will be difficult for you to have access to your wallet. In addition, it's not even advisable to add your own words to it because doing that, you are not creating a bip39 standard wallet, if you want to use this in another wallet that only recognizes bip39 words, it will not work.

Don't write your seed phrase on a pieces of paper, because it can get damage easily, they can catch fire when expose to fire and worn out if exposed to water. Better use a metallic surface to inscribe your seed phrase and it should be more than 2 so that you can share it in different locations. In the future, you can easily locate one of these backup seed phrase and get easy access to your coins.

As of now, I do not know any wallet that generates seed phrases in any other language, other than English. The only way to do this is to convert your seed phrases manually in your native language but there are many serious drawbacks to this and hence it is not a recommended idea.

Drawbacks of this Idea

1- If you online one tool to translate you are exposing your seed phrases to the internet and anyone looking at the logs, can easily identify that is the seed phrases that were sent for translation.

2- There may be many different words (synonyms) for a single word and therefore it will not be easy to translate the word back to the original English word making it harder to recover the seed for the owner himself.

This is why people are advised against opening random links or using their main wallets for airdrops. Malware don't just run on their own if they aren't activated through clicking or am I wrong on this? If people can set up their wallets offline and not go online on it, they should also be fine on that and away from malware.

You will get different responses from each user. Because this idea can be good or not, depending on how you really remember it.

But for me this would be very difficult, firstly I don't really understand English, I just rely on Google Translate. The problem is that Google Translation sometimes produces different meanings, which makes me dizzy. If there is something easier, why look for something complicated when in the end I will get a headache myself. However, if you think this idea is safer, that's no problem, you can use it. The important thing is that you are responsible for your own seed phrase.

I think it's better to be that way rather than least prioritizing the wallet security. They aren't targeted by the hackers but there are some random malwares out there that are set-up by those small fish hackers which target are those newbies or those who has weak security. My friend was hacked because of a malware and the funds where not that big but the hacker didn't spare him. As long as there are something that a hacker can get to you, they will get it. I believe that it's a good thing to make a habit on checking your own security.

That's even the sad reality. Most of these people getting paranoid about wallet security are not likely to have up to $100 worth in Bitcoin, yet they get conscious of security. I ain't saying they shouldn't. It's just that they should tone it down a bit.

You didn't lie on this. Imagine keeping sheets where passphrases and other seemingly meaningless scribbled words are jotted down in the kitchen or tucked somewhere in a store and not in briefcases, burglars won't even bother to look in there. Even if they do, they won't think anything of it and will miss it.

If we have many ways to secure Bitcoin, then someone has told us these ways too. All these methods have not been told to us together, but in the same way, one by one, they entered the mind of every person and they were told to other people, from which all people continued to benefit. I think he just presented his idea. Here everyone has the right to share any new and better ideas with others.

So that we can benefit the people on this plate form along with our benefit. We don't necessarily follow his idea of crypto currency security, but we can appreciate his effort. I think the idea is great, if we write our seed in a language that people around us don't understand, it's also a good way for security. Of course, everyone has their own thoughts, but we must share our thoughts with others.

Wise words again—how simple it is. Why reinvent the wheel when it has already been invented? Everything that the OP fantasized about will only add to his headache; I doubt that he has millions stored, which are hunted by both hackers on the Internet and robbers offline. There is an expression that if you want to hide a thing well, put it in a visible place. You don’t have to follow the instructions in detail, but let there be a mind without paranoid tendencies. If the OP can't save the seed phrase in the usual way, expecting a hack, then he won't be able to save it even if he translates it into numerous languages.

False sense of security, IMHO.

 Better think about reliable places to hide your seed phrase, than about reinventing the wheel.

You don't need to keep the whole length of words from seed phrase. First four letters are  enough to restore the word. Most available wallets do it automatically. If some wallet will  refuse to restore automatically  the relevant  SEED word  you can always do it manually via checking with the BIP39-words-list.  


I didn't come across such wallets

More complicated does not mean higher security and conveniece for recovery process. With recovery, you need a process to do it correctly, smoothly and comfortably. Do you need a complicated recovery process?

I don't and I believe you and many people do not need it.

Most important for your money, if you lose direction in a middle of complicated process and fail with recovery, you lose your bitcoin.

For your practice, you need time and practice make perfect. If you already master a wallet, a backup and recovery method that is proven as safely by experts and many people apply it, you don't have to try new things.

New things mean risk and you should never take risk with your money.

So far, we have had many methods of storing bitcoins and it has worked well. I think people are satisfied with those methods, people will not risk trying any new methods proposed. So I think you don't need to share or introduce it to everyone because in my opinion, many methods have been shared by many people and most of them criticize more than support them. Each method has advantages and disadvantages, you just need to do it the way you think is safest for you, you no need to share your method because everyone will have their own thoughts.

Trying different methods to store seed phrase can end up putting one to confusion, this method op is talking about is not a good one for me. It is better seed phrase are store the way it is written to avoid complications,  because changing it to another language for a longtime , when it is needed it can make people to be confused. When talking about seed phrase safety people should learn how to be discipline and careful in keeping things. If seed phrase should be stored properly in the way it is written it will be very difficult for another person to come across it if it is place in the proper place.

You are simply trying to make things more complicated for yourself mate, you could end up doing everything wrong and lost access to your coins, it's better to just buy a hardware wallet or learn to keep your recovery seed safe.

I have someone who have been using Electrum wallet since 2017 and he never lost any coins till this day, it depends on how you keep your private keys and recovery seeds save from hackers and scammers, my advice is to concentrate on improving your security instead of trying to make things more complicated.

These are my security tips:

1. Rearrange two of the words of your seed phrase in the wrong order, so that only you know how to put them back in the correct order.

You could rearrange more than two words, but then you risk your memory failing you. So best to keep it simple and easy to remember with just two words.

For me I think scrambling two words out of order is good enough. The correct order of the two words is then stored only in your head and never written anywhere.

If someone finds my seed phrase it would be useless to them because two of the words are out of order, but only I know which ones.



2. Use a wallet that supports passphrases (or 25th word) to allow you to set up a decoy and hidden wallet.

The passphrase is also never written anywhere and stored only in your head. The other option is to store the passphrase in a different location then your seedphrase.

In other words, OP's just trying to make it hard for himself to recover his seed phrase. The fact that there are multiple synonyms when you translate it back to the original word has the possibility of being unable to get back the exact original word.

No this is not a good idea. With a regular 12 word seed you can pretty much memorize it in your head. If you go around changing the language of the seed words you will never be able to memorize it and by using all those tools it’s sets up a point of failure.

Just get one of those stencils and make your 12 or 24 word phrase into a metal pipe that is fire proof and hid it somewhere in your house. Put it next to some pipe and if someone sees they will think it’s regular plumbing. Don’t need to complicate it and end up losing your seed and funds.

You may have a minor amount of Bitcoin, but you're posting your idea here as a potential way to store your seed phrase, so I don't know if you're getting my point. You could potentially make it work by doing the translation yourself, provided that you know another foreign language. Personally, I wouldn't go through such a hassle; storing it on a few pieces of paper would suffice for me. You can easily make a mistake in translation when you're trying to recover the original seed, although the seed phrase's words are generally pretty simple and straightforward. As other users have already mentioned, there are numerous ways to store your seed, so whatever suits you best.

The thought of your assets and accounts being hijacked, the possibility that everything can be taken from us suddenly and without warning, is always a cause for concern. As with almost everything else in life, there are dozens of ways we go about securing seed sentences and protecting them from fraud. Some of these are the safest and some are advice we would never want to follow. For me, the OP's advice is one of the measures worth trying. If I didn't intend to keep my seed sentences forever, I could certainly translate them into different languages and keep them on paper. That's fine with me and I like the idea.

That's a very good point about the synonyms. A single word can have multiple synonyms and just imagine how awfully wrong we can be with 12 - 24 words.
So I guess it's way better to encrypt it after all. We just have to decide an encryption method and then store the encrypted seed on a secure location having multiple backups.
Just the owner would know which encryption method he had used.

Works better if you know both languages like a palm of your hand, and don't try it with words that have several meaning. Like word "six" in finnish has 10 different meanings and translates to 10 different words depending on the context. Also we don't have some words english has. Or back and forth translation could produce different results each time.

This could work in some ways, but i find it quite obvious, as if i saw certain number of random works with my language in a piece of paper without any context., my mind would totally go to translated seed phrase.