New way to keep your seed phrase secure. - page 4.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:06:29 PM

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

This is a workable method if you are not translating online, but I am still not a fan of applying such different methods. Of course, security is everything, but methods other than generally used methods may not produce the desired results.

If you feel comfortable using such a method, do it. You are the one responsible for security, and if that's what you want to do, go ahead.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:40:01 PM

I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though, I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.

This is not an effective method to store your seed phrase even if you don't use an online translator.

Some words have synonyms, so translating it in your native language you might have problems remembering the correct word.

I would try I explain this the best way I can. Taking a local language in my country as an example, let's say one of the 12 words is "heart". "Heart" could be translated to "obi" but "obi" also means "hut". So if I translate it to "obi", I might have problem remembering whether the correct word is "heart" or "hut" when I want import the seed phrase.

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 27, 2023, 12:14:20 PM

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Does the new generation of Internet users not know about the existence of offline (book translator into 2 languages on paper) translators?

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 27, 2023, 12:14:20 PM

Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.

Any complication of the seed phrase creates difficulties not only for potential attackers, but also for the owners of this seed phrase themselves.

In this case, the problem is that the same words can have several interpretations in other languages and vice versa. This will create confusion.

The emergence of confusion when translating words back is inevitable, because you definitely noticed that words in different languages have several translation options and this will create several unnecessary incorrect versions of seed phrases.

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 27, 2023, 12:14:20 PM

Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer

There are also some nuances with the passphrase: the length of the phrase and the presence of additional characters make it difficult to select this passphrase.

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You can always use a translation book. But my concern would be if you use Book A in 2023 then need to translate in 2050 but no longer have Book A so you use Book B or even use Google Translate or some other service, the translation may not be the same as in 2023 from Book A and now your seed phrase is unknown and your funds lost.

You're thinking the right way though. But with something as important as seed phrases, the KISS (Keep It Stupid Simple) mentality is the way to go.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:40:01 PM

A seed phrase has 12 words

It is worth knowing that seed phrase can be 12, 15, 18, 21 or 24 words.

Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:40:01 PM

first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

It is not a good idea. Learn more about what passphrase is or how to encrypt and you will see how your suggestion is not relevant. Do not make use of a translator. While looking more for security ways is the reason some people's coins would be lost.

Passphrase is enough in my opinion.

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on October 27, 2023, 12:32:21 PM

Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:18:25 PM

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

You must be new to the internet.

I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though, I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:18:25 PM

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

Google is not just tracking you because of your small funds, just knowing that you have Bitcoin is profitable information that can be shared or sold. These words can still be translated by anybody that has access to them. This process can be complicated and lead to loss of funds because the meaning of words changes over time. It could also pose a problem to your dependence in cases of death or sickness. Your funds might be lost forever if your dependence doesn't understand your security measures. The best options remain backing up your seed phrase in different locations and ensuring that no unauthorized person has access to it.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:18:25 PM

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

The link above is not about translating the seed phrase but it is about if you want your seed phrase to be in other languages according to BIP39.

I will advice you not to translate anything. The reason is because the word you are translating have synonyms and very possible there could be a mistake in the future in a way you may not be able to translate the language back to the original 12 to 24 words.

And that is true, translator works online which is another reason it should not be used.

Quote from: pawanjain on October 27, 2023, 12:26:00 PM

If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.

Encrypting the seed phrase is another good advice.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:18:25 PM

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

You must be new to the internet.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:18:25 PM

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 27, 2023, 12:14:20 PM

Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:06:29 PM

Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 3 papers is good choice.

Google tracks everything. Besides that you will have to remember where those papers are and in which order those papers should be in order to recover the correct seed phrase.
If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:18:25 PM

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 27, 2023, 12:14:20 PM

Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:06:29 PM

Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 3 papers is good choice.

As long as there’s chance it gets online don’t be too sure about it not getting hacked, you might think the amount is small but the hacker doesn’t think so, imagine an hacker having more of the wallets having similar amount of bitcoin like yours is that still small in your perspective. Never underestimate any form of security breach

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 27, 2023, 12:14:20 PM

Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:06:29 PM

Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

Charles-Tim

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You are not keeping anything more secure.

You can make use of passphrase and backup your seed phrase and passphrase differently in different locations. With passphrase, your seed phrase will generate different keys and addresses. If you lose your passphrase, you will lose your coins just like if the seed phrase is lost.

Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:06:29 PM

So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

Seed phrase can be in other languages:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md

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Quote from: cafter on October 27, 2023, 12:06:29 PM

Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with. Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.
Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer

cafter

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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

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