Nintendo's rejection of gay relationships gives fans a lot to be angry about - page 5.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on May 11, 2014, 05:25:10 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2014, 11:47:17 PM

You want to know why I wouldn't go see it? It's very simple. Those two cowboys don't turn me on. We're not exactly talking Julie Roberts or Sharon Stone here.

Hey, believe it or not, they didn't turn me on either Grin

Moreover, I don't rate a film (as a work of art) on its ability to arouse me sexually.
Is the idea that we ought to only ever go watch films starring beautiful women - what with us being chest thumping red blooded males ?

Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2014, 11:47:17 PM

Pul-eez.

That didn't half make you sound camp, Spendulus Grin

[I'm just teasing sweety Wink

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Bullshit. Here's where you are dead wrong. We are talking ENTERTAINMENT. What we do for fun. Not as a moral or self-educational duty.

And I'm flat telling you that your attitude in ridiculing people that don't share your views about this "wonderful work of art" is not so smart. Or to put it alternately, you might be able to produce an argument that would interest people in seeing the movie, but you have not so far done so.

I gave you many, many examples of successful portrayal of alternate sexualties in movies and as you are aware, there are countless others. Any of these I think I could explain why someone would want to go see it.

Going back to the classics, I can easily articulate an argument why most anyone might enjoy seeing the movie "Some Like it Hot". I believe it would be a convincing argument to many.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 11, 2014, 02:14:32 AM

Quote from: Lethn on May 10, 2014, 05:25:17 PM

I really don't see what's so hard about telling them to fuck off and go make their own homosexual friendly game instead of harassing somebody to do the job for them :S reminds me actually of people that complain about Bitcoin and keep trying to campaign to change it, yet there's nothing stopping them from going out and making their own currency instead.

It's hard because they're a business selling a product; if they tell even 1% of the NA/EU crowd to "fuck off", they risk losing millions of potential customers. As a business, you don't want someone else coming in and taking those profits you could've made, nor do homosexuals want to use different products merely to accommodate; there is no guarantee of greater quality through doing this, and considering it's Nintendo, the odds are stacked toward Nintendo providing the superior product. Segregation will look very bad on Nintendo's image if they decide to make a homo-friendly version, which limits the possibility of success they'll have even if they try it.

It's a really simple fix--more work went into preventing same-sex relationships than if they'd left it alone--so I don't see the issue in accommodating a minority for higher profits. That is, unless the anti-homosexuals start making noise. I'm not sure which group is more ardent about inclusion/exclusion.

You forgot the 3rd opinion. People who are fucking tired of both sides telling everyone what to do via force.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 11, 2014, 02:14:32 AM

It's hard because they're a business selling a product; if they tell even 1% of the NA/EU crowd to "fuck off", they risk losing millions of potential customers.

Then this will be a no win situation for Nintendo. They have promised that they will include homosexuality in the next version of the game. They will lose a lot of customers in Japan, Russia, India.etc. Much more than 1%.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 11, 2014, 02:14:32 AM

Quote from: Lethn on May 10, 2014, 05:25:17 PM

I really don't see what's so hard about telling them to fuck off and go make their own homosexual friendly game instead of harassing somebody to do the job for them :S reminds me actually of people that complain about Bitcoin and keep trying to campaign to change it, yet there's nothing stopping them from going out and making their own currency instead.

It's hard because they're a business selling a product; if they tell even 1% of the NA/EU crowd to "fuck off", they risk losing millions of potential customers. As a business, you don't want someone else coming in and taking those profits you could've made, nor do homosexuals want to use different products merely to accommodate; there is no guarantee of greater quality through doing this, and considering it's Nintendo, the odds are stacked toward Nintendo providing the superior product. Segregation will look very bad on Nintendo's image if they decide to make a homo-friendly version, which limits the possibility of success they'll have even if they try it.

It's a really simple fix--more work went into preventing same-sex relationships than if they'd left it alone--so I don't see the issue in accommodating a minority for higher profits. That is, unless the anti-homosexuals start making noise. I'm not sure which group is more ardent about inclusion/exclusion.

These days I honestly can't tell the difference, I realise the business argument for it, but here's the thing, sometimes you just have to say "No we're not changing it" not because of any kind of personal reasons but because I have seen so many games ruined by people who pressure games companies into it or they do it to themselves and then they ended up ruining the game for everybody else. Maybe they should release a DLC or expansion pack with lots of content to make them happy but these people clearly have never seen a game developed before and think it's just a case of writing a few lines or pressing some buttons and then it's magically created.

In case you couldn't tell, I couldn't give a shit about either side, I'm just feeling sorry for the poor developers who are getting dragged into this because of trivial bullshit that these political pressure groups are looking around to complain about, I never thought I'd feel bad for the employees of a big game developer.

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2014, 11:47:17 PM

You want to know why I wouldn't go see it? It's very simple. Those two cowboys don't turn me on. We're not exactly talking Julie Roberts or Sharon Stone here.

Hey, believe it or not, they didn't turn me on either Grin

Moreover, I don't rate a film (as a work of art) on its ability to arouse me sexually.
Is the idea that we ought to only ever go watch films starring beautiful women - what with us being chest thumping red blooded males ?

Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2014, 11:47:17 PM

Pul-eez.

That didn't half make you sound camp, Spendulus Grin

[I'm just teasing sweety Wink

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Quote from: Lethn on May 10, 2014, 05:25:17 PM

I really don't see what's so hard about telling them to fuck off and go make their own homosexual friendly game instead of harassing somebody to do the job for them :S reminds me actually of people that complain about Bitcoin and keep trying to campaign to change it, yet there's nothing stopping them from going out and making their own currency instead.

It's hard because they're a business selling a product; if they tell even 1% of the NA/EU crowd to "fuck off", they risk losing millions of potential customers. As a business, you don't want someone else coming in and taking those profits you could've made, nor do homosexuals want to use different products merely to accommodate; there is no guarantee of greater quality through doing this, and considering it's Nintendo, the odds are stacked toward Nintendo providing the superior product. Segregation will look very bad on Nintendo's image if they decide to make a homo-friendly version, which limits the possibility of success they'll have even if they try it.

It's a really simple fix--more work went into preventing same-sex relationships than if they'd left it alone--so I don't see the issue in accommodating a minority for higher profits. That is, unless the anti-homosexuals start making noise. I'm not sure which group is more ardent about inclusion/exclusion.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 10, 2014, 08:30:49 PM

Quote from: practicaldreamer on May 10, 2014, 06:57:21 PM

It wasn't propaganda, why would anyone suggest that ?

Even if it wasn't a propaganda film, it was used as such by the gay lobby. Selected as the best film during the 59th British Academy Film Awards, that too ahead of films such as Crash and Capote.

EG, it WAS propaganda - with the caveat being that it is entirely possible that's not what the producer, director or actors intended. Pul-eez.

Pdreamer, stop the lecturing and the defense. I just quoted a long string of accepted gay movie products. You want more? Dirk Bogart? I mean, what's exactly NEW here? True love between two cowboys? You want to know why I wouldn't go see it? It's very simple. Those two cowboys don't turn me on. We're not exactly talking Julie Roberts or Sharon Stone here.

Therefore, the movie isn't interesting to me. At all. And someone on an internet forum wants now to turn Nintendo games for children into HumpBack PupTent?

Let's get real here.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on May 10, 2014, 06:57:21 PM

It wasn't propaganda, why would anyone suggest that ?

Even if it wasn't a propaganda film, it was used as such by the gay lobby. Selected as the best film during the 59th British Academy Film Awards, that too ahead of films such as Crash and Capote.

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 10, 2014, 06:51:42 PM

The issue being questioned here is that this particular film was propaganda.

It wasn't propaganda, why would anyone suggest that ? - it was a sensitive handling of forbidden love. That they were gay was almost incidental.

Great film.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on May 10, 2014, 06:28:57 PM

Quote from: LostDutchman on May 10, 2014, 09:07:12 AM

I was once called homophobic because I told a guy I had no interest in seeing the movie "Brokeback Mountain".

You missed out there bud - its a great film IMHO.

If anything, if I'd have been considering "batting for the other side" I reckon this film would have put me off - not that I ever would, for the love of Christ. Some of them gay blokes have beards FFS Grin

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No - put your prejudice/fear/latent homoerotic desires aside, and watch the film - we won't tell on you Wink

Bah.

Put aside YOUR PREJUDICES for a moment.

Any of us can likely quote a couple dozen movies that had serious handling of homosexuality, or which includes successfully using them in comedy. Marilyn Monroe had a couple. Seen Kung Fu Hustle? How about the Hoover movie?

The issue being questioned here is that this particular film was propaganda.

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Quote from: LostDutchman on May 10, 2014, 09:07:12 AM

I was once called homophobic because I told a guy I had no interest in seeing the movie "Brokeback Mountain".

You missed out there bud - its a great film IMHO.

If anything, if I'd have been considering "batting for the other side" I reckon this film would have put me off - not that I ever would, for the love of Christ. Some of them gay blokes have beards FFS Grin

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No - put your prejudice/fear/latent homoerotic desires aside, and watch the film - we won't tell on you Wink

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Quote from: Wilikon on May 10, 2014, 05:38:48 PM

Quote from: Lethn on May 10, 2014, 05:25:17 PM

I really don't see what's so hard about telling them to fuck off and go make their own homosexual friendly game instead of harassing somebody to do the job for them :S reminds me actually of people that complain about Bitcoin and keep trying to campaign to change it, yet there's nothing stopping them from going out and making their own currency instead.

.................while complaining about a game with no same sex option on a bitcoin forum..............

Yeah, he should take his complaint to the Homocoin forum. Guy deleted a post where I just said I disagreed with him. WTF?

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Quote from: Lethn on May 10, 2014, 05:25:17 PM

I really don't see what's so hard about telling them to fuck off and go make their own homosexual friendly game instead of harassing somebody to do the job for them :S reminds me actually of people that complain about Bitcoin and keep trying to campaign to change it, yet there's nothing stopping them from going out and making their own currency instead.

.................while complaining about a game with no same sex option on a bitcoin forum..............

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I really don't see what's so hard about telling them to fuck off and go make their own homosexual friendly game instead of harassing somebody to do the job for them :S reminds me actually of people that complain about Bitcoin and keep trying to campaign to change it, yet there's nothing stopping them from going out and making their own currency instead.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 10, 2014, 12:44:01 PM

lol... feels bad for Nintendo. Seems like they are cracking under pressure:

Nintendo apologizes, vows to make future Tomodachi games 'more inclusive'

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/9/5700624/nintendo-tomodachi-life-apology

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"We pledge that if we create a next installment in the Tomodachi series, we will strive to design a game-play experience from the ground up that is more inclusive, and better represents all players."

Translation: This is the last installment in the Tomodachi series?

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lol... feels bad for Nintendo. Seems like they are cracking under pressure:

Nintendo apologizes, vows to make future Tomodachi games 'more inclusive'

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/9/5700624/nintendo-tomodachi-life-apology

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"We pledge that if we create a next installment in the Tomodachi series, we will strive to design a game-play experience from the ground up that is more inclusive, and better represents all players."

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Quote from: Wilikon on May 09, 2014, 10:47:12 AM

Quote from: Elwar on May 09, 2014, 02:21:33 AM

"a fan launched a social media campaign last month pleading with the gaming company for equality, but Nintendo insists their creative choice wasn't designed to offend."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/nintendo-game-faces-criticism-over-lack-of-gay-characters-20140507

First of all I would like to thank you for not having this stupid "This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic." like on the other thread.

The pink mafia is not fully realizing the damage it is doing to its community in the long run. They've been going full Stasi Mode in the past few years thinking people are joining their cause, not by fear, but because they agree with their tactics.

You may scare some people and organization for now but you are definitely isolating your own community even more.

These "pro gay" organizations learned these slash and burn tactics from "feminists". See how well that is working out for them? These two types of activism are very closely aligned and often overlap. They have gone beyond protecting people from aggressors, and have become the aggressors themselves. Also don't forget as soon as you form centralized organizations there is now suddenly pressure for creating a big event to draw in donations for these groups to continue to function. This is a problem for activism of any type, and is clearly now also an issue for "pro gay" groups as well. Being intolerant of people whom you deem intolerant is just as moronic as being intolerant in the first place. Polarizing your hatred in the opposing direction does not make you righteous, it only makes you just as big of an idiot as your opponent.

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Quote from: umair127 on May 10, 2014, 10:43:42 AM

All because they were scared to lose money, guess Same Sex Sales!

The fact that these companies give in just to easy says alot, what if the other people on the opposite side, will they apologize for it change it back. I think to easy solve this problem they can have two versions of games to pick, so that parents the want there kids exposed to a homesexual reality can be avoided. Now games will me marked a bi relationship logo on the back of the retail box rating page.

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Quote from: umair127 on May 10, 2014, 10:43:42 AM

All because they were scared to lose money, guess Same Sex Sales!

Hmm... if they care too much about the 1% of the population, then they might lose some of the sales from the remaining 99% of the population. Anyway... their current stance is appreciable. They have offered an apology, and I think that is enough for now. If the gays are not satisfied with it, then they can boycott Nintendo, just like they had boycotted the Russian vodka.

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All because they were scared to lose money, guess Same Sex Sales!

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