Topic: no charges for cop who killed man with choke hold (Read 4956 times)

Why the fuck do we teach police to choke hold? It is a machismo maneuver to prove who is doing the ass kicking and demand humiliation submission. It doesn't serve any functional role and it puts the policeman in danger which requires them to body build and take steroids.

They could simply stand at a distance and warn the offender or suspect that if they don't voluntarily submit to arrest they will be clubbed in the leg if they try to vacate the scene. The point is to deescalate and give the offender a chance to think out the recourse and calm down. And one clubbing to the leg is sufficient, not multiple beatings. Or after a few moments if it is not sufficient, then more clubbings. And always on mandatory headcam worn by police and shown to the public on the internet so they know they must respect the people that they serve.

When I was 20 in college in San Fernando valley, California in 1985, I was sitting in my car outside a disco and I was beaten through the window by 250lb lineman bouncer from Arizona State U. I didn't know my passenger was talking to his gf, he punched me without me even knowing it and my head hit the stickshift. He broke my jaw (had to eat through a straw after that).

I got out of the car and asked him nicely what the hell he did that for? He punched me again. I got up and was moving towards him asking him if he felt like a tough guy for hitting innocent people, and an off duty police came over and put me in an arm lock then a choke hold and asked me if I wanted to die today. My friend begged him to let me go and I didn't resist, so he didn't kill me.

I proceeded to the police station to report the crime against me and they refused to talk to me. I called attorneys the next day and nobody would take my case.

From that point on, I knew that police are low-IQ power maniacs with badges given their power (and authority) by stupid white people who prefer the illusion of safety over freedom.

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”—Ben Franklin

I wasn't arguing that Americans aren't violent, I was arguing that it is insane to compare that sort of violent behavior to ISIS fundamentalists who cut off little girls' limbs while she is alive.

Note Latin America is even more violent than the USA overall, and the USA has a huge influx of Latin Americans. Also black Americans are statistically 20 times more likely to commit murder than European-descent Americans. So yes we are melting pot with races (Africans and Latinos) who are typically violent. There are also whites who are into the machismo crap and fighting.

I agree the USA is fucked up. It will disintegrate and violence will proliferate. The cohesiveness of the common language and common market is being lost because of the great disparity between the for example highly educated who work in Silicon valley or other high tech enclaves, and the lower and middle class trash. When the USA economy turns down from 2016 onwards, this disintegration will become more evident and accelerate. For example, this rioting is part of the demise of retailing in the USA. Kiss our strip malls good riddance. This is the end of that era and economic paradigm.

Most of Europe (but not for example Finland) appears to have the problem that they don't want to own personal guns, so this puts them in danger of being overrun by an invader such as ISIS or Russia. Also it appears the pacifism in Europe was bought with an elaborate social system. When that social system collapses (it is bankrupt), then we will see the true human nature rise again in Europe as it does every time they collapse economically. This time it might be an invader, since Europe's demographics are old (low birth rates) and its youth significantly emasculated. Buying off the population with debt is also a delayed megadeath paradigm.

Both Europe and the USA are examples of what rampant socialism has fostered.

Edit: the collapsing oil price is both evidence of a collapsing global economy and it will strengthen ISIS because economic hardship and anger will increase throughout the Middle East, East Asian, and north African oil producing region.

I've been to burning man and saw one argument there over a married girl that decided to pass herself around to a couple of guys while high. It was at the burn of a mock Wall Street. Two guys started to argue and the crowd got in between them quickly. Burning man is 50k unique people that should leave the U.S. quickly before they get hurt. The greater BA is a special place to live compared to the rest of the country and still I've seen altercations all the way from Golden Gate Park concerts to the Monterey Peninsula. I saw a guy get stabbed outside a club in Salinas. The only place or event in the last 20 years that I never saw any kind of problem was at the Folsom Street fair. I think that's because the guys are too busy sucking each other off in the middle of the street (I'm not joking and still there are violent undertones).

You need to head over to Burning Man sometime. How about the Fremont solstice bike rides?

Dude, we kill each other in the street. Americans are violent for fun. I was unfortunate enough to be on International Blvd when the Raiders lost some sort of sporting event. The fans were setting cars on fire and beating the shit out of bystanders. I lived in Texas as a kid. Fist fighting was a popular pastime at my school. You're wrong. Americans are violent assholes.

Either way he was arresting arrest. Even though he was claiming not being able to breathe, that does not compel the officer to stop using force to arrest him....what would prevent someone from making this claim falsely only to delay/resist arrest?

Obviously you didn't play football as a small boned guy and end up at the bottom of a pile of 250lb linemen. You can speak (exhale) and you can't breath in sufficient air. You don't know if he was struggling and able to wiggle enough to shout. Also by shouting he may have depleted his air and hastened his suffocation.

If the guy says he can't breath and then dies on the spot, you got to be very good at delusion to convince yourself that unnecessary police brutality is not likely responsible for his death.


Note the strawman Barkalot erected.

We want police. We don't want paramilitary crazed powertrip maniacs with badges.


No the USA military does that, not the American people. The people voted Obama on his promise to end that shit. Americans have always been isolationists. The people who run our country are causing that problem. There is a conservative minority who supports that shit.

ISIS has explained their first priority was local, then next they will go global. They slice little girls arms and legs off while she is still alive. BTW, they may be coming to Europe. Eurofags have no guns (and perhaps insufficient young men, due to low fertility rates and rampant emasculation) to defend yourself.

Comparing that to the average American citizen is beyond delusional, it is insane. What happened to you?

No doubt that American culture is shallow, selfish, arrogant, etc.. but the French are doing a good job at that too, and I hear that the youth in Europe are just as fucked up in terms of smoking, drugs, encouraging females to try lesbian sex, etc.

It's the donuts that are messing the cops all up. If brains were gasoline, cops wouldn't have enough to drive an ant's go-cart around the inside of a cheerio. Cops don't even get a good start with a donut.

 

i wonder if they get free donuts up there

Come on you guys. You are looking at this the wrong way. When a cop dies, we should feel happy. Why? Because a cop is a good guy, right? And knowing this, we know that he believes in God, right? So, we know that he went to Heaven, right? So shouldn't we feel happy when a cop dies because he is in Heaven where there is joy and happiness forever?

 

Or Me

Acab ftw

not me

Funny thing is, a cop dies, and everybody gets so sad and feels bad, not even caring who did it.

somebody already mentioned this 

Wrong. It is not illegal in the state. It was only a guideline in New York City that they don't use chokeholds, but state law trumps any city law or guideline. It would be nice to see someone check their facts and context before posting some bs spouted from the lamestream media

There are many liars in this country, only a minority are christian. When Clinton says "corporations don't create jobs", she is lying. Her husband passed the laws that precipitated the US ruin.

Ah yes, because the left wing atheist buffoon is so much better? How very typical of someone from the blind masses to lay the blame entirely on one single political/ideological group without acknowledging all the other political/ideological groups that have been every bit as instrumental in bringing this once great country to the shithole we have today.

we cannot change the community, better we change ourselves

The great beast is a stupid lot. We'd have a great country if it wasn't populated by right wing christian buffoons.

The BIG problem isn't the NSA, etc. The big problem is that a whole bunch of common people like it this way, because they are making money off their fellow common people.