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Hey guys,

The idea of a 'savings account' to soften landing on an exchange and promote some of the larger holders to save (giving us even more time to build value/potential in the meantime) is honestly something we hadn't thought of but are now very intrigued by it. It is moments like this that make us see the true potential value of some of our reserves.

Just some initial points for you guys on how we feel at the moment, but we think with more discussion it is a very good idea.

1) We feel it would be best for a larger exchange (aka Cryptsy) should that ever happen in the future. With larger volume and amount in circulation they are the ones with the potential to affect the price too much? It also gives us time to work on it and iron out any details (we have a lot to do at the moment - but waiting for a larger exchange gives us perhaps at least a month or two?)

2) We would like to keep it simple - fees, taxes, etc. etc. would be a no. Remember, a lot of us are here because crypto lacks a lot of that and allows more freedom/less control and paperwork?

3) It does feel like in some ways we would be manipulating the market - but if it was a community thing and everyone thinks it is a great idea to build the coins core strength, protect it somewhat from market dumps and improve value then we're all ears. This sounds quite 'controlled' and 'centralized' which we don't want to pursue unless there is a lot of positive feedback on it.

4) It could be as simple as having a savings address for each user who wanted to get on board (with the help of an enhanced block explorer we could simply check the addresses and make sure the amounts are saved). Savers create a new address, transfer the amount they want to 'save' and sit it in their wallet. This safely resolves a few potential issues, a) no-one has to hand over any coins to a 3rd party (trust), b) we don't have to micro-manage anything (besides checking the wallets once the saving period is up) (work) and c) holders still retain the power to sell should they so desire at any point, it simple means they are sacrificing their next 'interest' payout (control). We feel like trying to hold on to savings somewhere externally and not allowing miners/holders access to it until a certain point is far too out of the NOBLE character and would be nowhere near as popular with our community.

5) 'Interest' to be received is pre-determined, paid out at specific intervals - perhaps monthly or bi-weekly - and comes out of pre-determined NOBLE reserve addresses. It acts in a way that naturally rewards savers but does not amount to a massive 'interest' payout that then floods the exchange. Interest is only paid out once we have confirmed that nominated addresses have not been used to spend the saved amount.

This is not something that we had even considered, but if we continue to get PM's about the idea then let's get some feedback and discussion going on. I have set up a forum for this topic also here. These are our initial thoughts - so nothing is set in stone or decided.

Thanks for the idea - this could make for some very interesting (and challenging) discussion. Cheers!

That idea would be something new and unique. Also, it would prevent Noble Coin from dumping coins after it reaches exchanges and encourage people to mine, buy and hold coins instead of selling for quick profit. Devs, please consider that Smiley
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We'll I'd advise not all of it, we would like to have merchants and markets at that point so you can spend them on something besides an exchange. Wink

That I "have"...today. You think I'm done mining Rofo? lol. Am I cut off? I plan on making a little more Smiley
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We'll I'd advise not all of it, we would like to have merchants and markets at that point so you can spend them on something besides an exchange. Wink
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Hey guys,

The idea of a 'savings account' to soften landing on an exchange and promote some of the larger holders to save (giving us even more time to build value/potential in the meantime) is honestly something we hadn't thought of but are now very intrigued by it. It is moments like this that make us see the true potential value of some of our reserves.

Just some initial points for you guys on how we feel at the moment, but we think with more discussion it is a very good idea.

1) We feel it would be best for a larger exchange (aka Cryptsy) should that ever happen in the future. With larger volume and amount in circulation they are the ones with the potential to affect the price too much? It also gives us time to work on it and iron out any details (we have a lot to do at the moment - but waiting for a larger exchange gives us perhaps at least a month or two?)

2) We would like to keep it simple - fees, taxes, etc. etc. would be a no. Remember, a lot of us are here because crypto lacks a lot of that and allows more freedom/less control and paperwork?

3) It does feel like in some ways we would be manipulating the market - but if it was a community thing and everyone thinks it is a great idea to build the coins core strength, protect it somewhat from market dumps and improve value then we're all ears. This sounds quite 'controlled' and 'centralized' which we don't want to pursue unless there is a lot of positive feedback on it.

4) It could be as simple as having a savings address for each user who wanted to get on board (with the help of an enhanced block explorer we could simply check the addresses and make sure the amounts are saved). Savers create a new address, transfer the amount they want to 'save' and sit it in their wallet. This safely resolves a few potential issues, a) no-one has to hand over any coins to a 3rd party (trust), b) we don't have to micro-manage anything (besides checking the wallets once the saving period is up) (work) and c) holders still retain the power to sell should they so desire at any point, it simple means they are sacrificing their next 'interest' payout (control). We feel like trying to hold on to savings somewhere externally and not allowing miners/holders access to it until a certain point is far too out of the NOBLE character and would be nowhere near as popular with our community.

5) 'Interest' to be received is pre-determined, paid out at specific intervals - perhaps monthly or bi-weekly - and comes out of pre-determined NOBLE reserve addresses. It acts in a way that naturally rewards savers but does not amount to a massive 'interest' payout that then floods the exchange. Interest is only paid out once we have confirmed that nominated addresses have not been used to spend the saved amount.

This is not something that we had even considered, but if we continue to get PM's about the idea then let's get some feedback and discussion going on. I have set up a forum for this topic also here. These are our initial thoughts - so nothing is set in stone or decided.

Thanks for the idea - this could make for some very interesting (and challenging) discussion. Cheers!

I will go on record and say that every noble I have would go directly into this account. The more visible and transparent the community is the stronger the value of the coin I feel.
legendary
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Hey guys,

The idea of a 'savings account' to soften landing on an exchange and promote some of the larger holders to save (giving us even more time to build value/potential in the meantime) is honestly something we hadn't thought of but are now very intrigued by it. It is moments like this that make us see the true potential value of some of our reserves.

Just some initial points for you guys on how we feel at the moment, but we think with more discussion it is a very good idea.

1) We feel it would be best for a larger exchange (aka Cryptsy) should that ever happen in the future. With larger volume and amount in circulation they are the ones with the potential to affect the price too much? It also gives us time to work on it and iron out any details (we have a lot to do at the moment - but waiting for a larger exchange gives us perhaps at least a month or two?)

2) We would like to keep it simple - fees, taxes, etc. etc. would be a no. Remember, a lot of us are here because crypto lacks a lot of that and allows more freedom/less control and paperwork?

3) It does feel like in some ways we would be manipulating the market - but if it was a community thing and everyone thinks it is a great idea to build the coins core strength, protect it somewhat from market dumps and improve value then we're all ears. This sounds quite 'controlled' and 'centralized' which we don't want to pursue unless there is a lot of positive feedback on it.

4) It could be as simple as having a savings address for each user who wanted to get on board (with the help of an enhanced block explorer we could simply check the addresses and make sure the amounts are saved). Savers create a new address, transfer the amount they want to 'save' and sit it in their wallet. This safely resolves a few potential issues, a) no-one has to hand over any coins to a 3rd party (trust), b) we don't have to micro-manage anything (besides checking the wallets once the saving period is up) (work) and c) holders still retain the power to sell should they so desire at any point, it simple means they are sacrificing their next 'interest' payout (control). We feel like trying to hold on to savings somewhere externally and not allowing miners/holders access to it until a certain point is far too out of the NOBLE character and would be nowhere near as popular with our community.

5) 'Interest' to be received is pre-determined, paid out at specific intervals - perhaps monthly or bi-weekly - and comes out of pre-determined NOBLE reserve addresses. It acts in a way that naturally rewards savers but does not amount to a massive 'interest' payout that then floods the exchange. Interest is only paid out once we have confirmed that nominated addresses have not been used to spend the saved amount.

This is not something that we had even considered, but if we continue to get PM's about the idea then let's get some feedback and discussion going on. I have set up a forum for this topic also here. These are our initial thoughts - so nothing is set in stone or decided.

Thanks for the idea - this could make for some very interesting (and challenging) discussion. Cheers!
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434996.0
i actually message that idea to ROFO about 5 hours ago.. which is kinda why i brought up the the topic of PoS and the need to give an incentive to save..

I imagine Rofo is asleep so will be interested to hear his response..

On maintaining an interest account i would say set aside a fixed amount say 50k and use a simple day trade mechanism.. the reality of the market is that we will see eventual dips.. so buying back more with the BTC earned with initial sale is a given... thats pretty much the simplified way of how a bank does it.. of course they have more options...

In the interest of transparency we can even create a www.myaltcoin.com account for the specific trading account..so that any investor could log on to see the status of the transactions...though i am unsure if accessing a site from multiple locations will force account to be closed... we could even choose an Ambassador to give us a status update on the particular account.. Screenshots and all... and no i dont believe this qualifes as a pump and dump system.
Good to hear, hope rofo will give an reply or his thoughts about this.

Maybe a more "simple" method instead of implementing POS would be to adjust the Noble Wallet client. For example when you recieve the coins in your wallet that you have the option to "store" them, giving you +X% interest over a month or to transfer them to your spending wallet. You could also turn it around and implementing an "spending" fee for mined coins. It would make mining more interesting for people who are in for the long run and also it would kind of make "pump and dump" less interesting as your mining reward is lower.

When writing this I realized that the "fee" could then be distributed over people who store their coins. Kind of how a bank works, a saving account and a spending account (one with interest rate and one without, however for this coin instead of giving interest you take a fee and distribute that amongst the other accounts)....

What are everybody's thoughts about this?
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434996.0
i actually message that idea to ROFO about 5 hours ago.. which is kinda why i brought up the the topic of PoS and the need to give an incentive to save..

I imagine Rofo is asleep so will be interested to hear his response..

On maintaining an interest account i would say set aside a fixed amount say 50k and use a simple day trade mechanism.. the reality of the market is that we will see eventual dips.. so buying back more with the BTC earned with initial sale is a given... thats pretty much the simplified way of how a bank does it.. of course they have more options...

In the interest of transparency we can even create a www.myaltcoin.com account for the specific trading account..so that any investor could log on to see the status of the transactions...though i am unsure if accessing a site from multiple locations will force account to be closed... we could even choose an Ambassador to give us a status update on the particular account.. Screenshots and all... and no i dont believe this qualifes as a pump and dump system.
Good to hear, hope rofo will give an reply or his thoughts about this.

Maybe a more "simple" method instead of implementing POS would be to adjust the Noble Wallet client. For example when you recieve the coins in your wallet that you have the option to "store" them, giving you +X% interest over a month or to transfer them to your spending wallet. You could also turn it around and implementing an "spending" fee for mined coins. It would make mining more interesting for people who are in for the long run and also it would kind of make "pump and dump" less interesting as your mining reward is lower.

When writing this I realized that the "fee" could then be distributed over people who store their coins. Kind of how a bank works, a saving account and a spending account (one with interest rate and one without, however for this coin instead of giving interest you take a fee and distribute that amongst the other accounts)....

What are everybody's thoughts about this?

its a good idea but I think some significant coding will have to be done.. and also we need to consider ways for premine to pay for itself. . nothing lasts forever.. and so to protect the noble movement we might need to adjust our thinking abt the way we normally do things. .

im toying with ideas on how to dispose of a bit of the premine without killing the market.. will have to flesh it out..but I would prefer to have this conversation at our own forum. . do we have a nobletalk.org yet?
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i actually message that idea to ROFO about 5 hours ago.. which is kinda why i brought up the the topic of PoS and the need to give an incentive to save..

I imagine Rofo is asleep so will be interested to hear his response..

On maintaining an interest account i would say set aside a fixed amount say 50k and use a simple day trade mechanism.. the reality of the market is that we will see eventual dips.. so buying back more with the BTC earned with initial sale is a given... thats pretty much the simplified way of how a bank does it.. of course they have more options...

In the interest of transparency we can even create a www.myaltcoin.com account for the specific trading account..so that any investor could log on to see the status of the transactions...though i am unsure if accessing a site from multiple locations will force account to be closed... we could even choose an Ambassador to give us a status update on the particular account.. Screenshots and all... and no i dont believe this qualifes as a pump and dump system.
Good to hear, hope rofo will give an reply or his thoughts about this.

Maybe a more "simple" method instead of implementing POS would be to adjust the Noble Wallet client. For example when you recieve the coins in your wallet that you have the option to "store" them, giving you +X% interest over a month or to transfer them to your spending wallet. You could also turn it around and implementing an "spending" fee for mined coins. It would make mining more interesting for people who are in for the long run and also it would kind of make "pump and dump" less interesting as your mining reward is lower.

When writing this I realized that the "fee" could then be distributed over people who store their coins. Kind of how a bank works, a saving account and a spending account (one with interest rate and one without, however for this coin instead of giving interest you take a fee and distribute that amongst the other accounts)....

What are everybody's thoughts about this?
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Hi IceCube,

If you read this, can you please unlock my account on your pool?

Not really sure what happened, I got page could not be displayed, then it was locked!

He's not on IRC at the moment so not sure when he'll back back on to see this. :S

Don't worry, I am on crytotycoons at the mo (as I like to be in the top 15 list). Whenever he is back is fine, you guys are allowed lives too!
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On a sidenote, great how you corrected my misplaced "," in quoting me  Grin

Sorry I'm sometimes pedantic like that. Tongue


Made me laugh mate, no worries Smiley

Don't you mean:

"Made me laugh mate ,no worries Smiley

??
 Cheesy

Edit: I really liked the slogan too.

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"To speculate is human, to accumulate is Noble"

+1! ,:)
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Hi IceCube,

If you read this, can you please unlock my account on your pool?

Not really sure what happened, I got page could not be displayed, then it was locked!

He's not on IRC at the moment so not sure when he'll back back on to see this. :S
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Hi IceCube,

If you read this, can you please unlock my account on your pool?

Not really sure what happened, I got page could not be displayed, then it was locked!
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On a sidenote, great how you corrected my misplaced "," in quoting me  Grin

Sorry I'm sometimes pedantic like that. Tongue


Made me laugh mate, no worries Smiley

Don't you mean:

"Made me laugh mate ,no worries Smiley

??
 Cheesy

Edit: I really liked the slogan too.

Quote
"To speculate is human, to accumulate is Noble"
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My try.
"Let's get a little bitNoble!"
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"Stay noble San Diego"

That's my attempt
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