#Dev on the Line!
Sorry everyone, it is my mistake!! Just Noticed that i expressed my thoughts in a dualist manner!!! I'm the one to blame for the created confusion!
Thanks Dzarmush for making it clear and simple, i will add (remove) & (keep) so everyone gets the message!
@ Stupid insinuations - The Dev Team and The Committee representatives have no agreement, we haven't promised nor have we paid them! They are just random active members of our community! We asked them to represent NODE, and they kindly agreed!!! If you guys think that there is something at the middle... you are wrong.
@ Novva! That is why this thread was created! To fill a complaint! If you think that something went not the way it supposed too! State it here, as it is your right and the Committee will decide!
That is the point of all this trial! It is a way to show a Community representative that you are a real person and you have honest intentions!
Topic: NODE Puppet Removal Temporary Complain Page! - page 6. (Read 10257 times)
I've been permanently removed without any trial. No PM from devs, no nothing, just removed. Wtf?
Probably some asshole from the same P# PMd devs and said that all other accounts are his puppets in order to receive his stake and devs deleted everybody but him? I hate how you handle Node, like amatures.
I've been permanently removed without any trial. No PM from devs, no nothing, just removed. Wtf?
I see they may have got confused. and the options are more clear now. But tbh i shouldnt have been on the list let alone have my stake even voted on!
Id also be very interested in seeing everybody who is on the comittie/dev side to list their username stakes especially koop4u
Can we clarify that all the comitte members understand which option sustain and reject is.
it should be sockpuppet yes/no
Can we clarify that all the comitte members understand which option sustain and reject is.
it should be sockpuppet yes/no
Ye i have thank dzarmush you tried for us but if the rest of the comittie cant spot the difference between a puppet and 2 real person then theres big trouble ahead And they now look very silly.
You can find the (almost all) names in 1st post.
Be patient
Can the committee members who sustained a case please explain their decision? Currently it just looks as some members just sustain everything. We gave you money and this is not Wild West...
I will explain my decision to everyone who wants. But not now because we have to wait for all votes of the committee!
Btw: You said: "..Currently it just looks as some members just sustain everything.." And you´ve got this information from whom?
TO ALL
Be patient and keep the thread clean.
I'm gonna change sustain and reject for something else.
UPD: Changed to "Sockpuppets" and "Real People". Shouldn't be any confusion anymore.
+1 UPD: Changed to "Sockpuppets" and "Real People". Shouldn't be any confusion anymore.
1. Unlabel all groups of 2 people without questioning. If anybody wanted to make puppets he wouldn't stop with just one and would make at least 5-10. Also there is absolutely not any chance to prove that 2 account are puppets, not family/friends/roommates.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
I think this is a solid strategy. Obviously there were people with huge groups of puppets (Koop mentioned one guy with 45). Those are the ones that we definitely want gone out of Node, not two people who state they are friends/partners/roomates.
@hypersire how come this strategy became unsolid and you voted for elimination every single person?
I didn't vote for the elimination of anybody, quite the opposite. I chose sustained because in all the cases, it is clear those people are all coming from the same IP so the possibility is always there that it really is only one person. It was the correct call to flag them.
The devs had already planned to give one stake to these cases where there were two users involved. I let them know that my vote is that it is ok to give 2 stakes to one IP if people post their case in this thread. There really are very few of those cases so it is simply not worth spending time, energy and hurt feelings over it. For example, the two guys who posted with the sock puppets - I see nothing wrong with giving them 2 stakes.
So bottom line, NOBODY WILL BE ROBBED OF THEIR STAKES! One stake per IP is guaranteed, possibly 2. I am personally OK with 2 since there are so few cases but that decision is up to the devs in the end.
The sock puppet removal was a huge success as it found one guy with 45 and others with tens of sock puppets. Those are the kind of people that need to be removed, not two people who claim to live together!
But in the document you voted "sustain" which means you agree with devs and all these people should lose their stakes.
This is not true that they will lose all of their stakes. The devs had already planned to allow them to keep one, I even recommended to give 2 as a maximum. Nobody will be kicked out of Node entirely stakeless.
if one person has few accounts and gets to keep one stake then yes they wont be stake less. but with me and timmyd if only one of gets a stake the other will be without
and if the sock puppet removal is up to the dev in the end why are you guys evan voting
I'm gonna change sustain and reject for something else.
UPD: Changed to "Sockpuppets" and "Real People". Shouldn't be any confusion anymore.
UPD: Changed to "Sockpuppets" and "Real People". Shouldn't be any confusion anymore.
you guys dont know what sustain means? 
This is not true that they will lose all of their stakes. The devs had already planned to allow them to keep one, I even recommended to give 2 as a maximum. Nobody will be kicked out of Node entirely stakeless.
I don't understand. You're saying one thing but voting for another. You're ok with timmyd and stuipooi123 having their stakes but you voted against it.
1. Unlabel all groups of 2 people without questioning. If anybody wanted to make puppets he wouldn't stop with just one and would make at least 5-10. Also there is absolutely not any chance to prove that 2 account are puppets, not family/friends/roommates.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
I think this is a solid strategy. Obviously there were people with huge groups of puppets (Koop mentioned one guy with 45). Those are the ones that we definitely want gone out of Node, not two people who state they are friends/partners/roomates.
@hypersire how come this strategy became unsolid and you voted for elimination every single person?
I didn't vote for the elimination of anybody, quite the opposite. I chose sustained because in all the cases, it is clear those people are all coming from the same IP so the possibility is always there that it really is only one person. It was the correct call to flag them.
The devs had already planned to give one stake to these cases where there were two users involved. I let them know that my vote is that it is ok to give 2 stakes to one IP if people post their case in this thread. There really are very few of those cases so it is simply not worth spending time, energy and hurt feelings over it. For example, the two guys who posted with the sock puppets - I see nothing wrong with giving them 2 stakes.
So bottom line, NOBODY WILL BE ROBBED OF THEIR STAKES! One stake per IP is guaranteed, possibly 2. I am personally OK with 2 since there are so few cases but that decision is up to the devs in the end.
The sock puppet removal was a huge success as it found one guy with 45 and others with tens of sock puppets. Those are the kind of people that need to be removed, not two people who claim to live together!
But in the document you voted "sustain" which means you agree with devs and all these people should lose their stakes.
This is not true that they will lose all of their stakes. The devs had already planned to allow them to keep one, I even recommended to give 2 as a maximum. Nobody will be kicked out of Node entirely stakeless.
1. Unlabel all groups of 2 people without questioning. If anybody wanted to make puppets he wouldn't stop with just one and would make at least 5-10. Also there is absolutely not any chance to prove that 2 account are puppets, not family/friends/roommates.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
I think this is a solid strategy. Obviously there were people with huge groups of puppets (Koop mentioned one guy with 45). Those are the ones that we definitely want gone out of Node, not two people who state they are friends/partners/roomates.
@hypersire how come this strategy became unsolid and you voted for elimination every single person?
I didn't vote for the elimination of anybody, quite the opposite. I chose sustained because in all the cases, it is clear those people are all coming from the same IP so the possibility is always there that it really is only one person. It was the correct call to flag them.
The devs had already planned to give one stake to these cases where there were two users involved. I let them know that my vote is that it is ok to give 2 stakes to one IP if people post their case in this thread. There really are very few of those cases so it is simply not worth spending time, energy and hurt feelings over it. For example, the two guys who posted with the sock puppets - I see nothing wrong with giving them 2 stakes.
So bottom line, NOBODY WILL BE ROBBED OF THEIR STAKES! One stake per IP is guaranteed, possibly 2. I am personally OK with 2 since there are so few cases but that decision is up to the devs in the end.
The sock puppet removal was a huge success as it found one guy with 45 and others with tens of sock puppets. Those are the kind of people that need to be removed, not two people who claim to live together!
But in the document you voted "sustain" which means you agree with devs and all these people should lose their stakes.
Id also be very interested in seeing everybody who is on the comittie/dev side to list their username stakes especially koop4u
Can we clarify that all the comitte members understand which option sustain and reject is.
it should be sockpuppet yes/no
Can we clarify that all the comitte members understand which option sustain and reject is.
it should be sockpuppet yes/no
1. Unlabel all groups of 2 people without questioning. If anybody wanted to make puppets he wouldn't stop with just one and would make at least 5-10. Also there is absolutely not any chance to prove that 2 account are puppets, not family/friends/roommates.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.
If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.
I think this is a solid strategy. Obviously there were people with huge groups of puppets (Koop mentioned one guy with 45). Those are the ones that we definitely want gone out of Node, not two people who state they are friends/partners/roomates.
@hypersire how come this strategy became unsolid and you voted for elimination every single person?
I didn't vote for the elimination of anybody, quite the opposite. I chose sustained because in all the cases, it is clear those people are all coming from the same IP so the possibility is always there that it really is only one person. It was the correct call to flag them.
The devs had already planned to give one stake to these cases where there were two users involved. I let them know that my vote is that it is ok to give 2 stakes to one IP if people post their case in this thread. There really are very few of those cases so it is simply not worth spending time, energy and hurt feelings over it. For example, the two guys who posted with the sock puppets - I see nothing wrong with giving them 2 stakes.
So bottom line, NOBODY WILL BE ROBBED OF THEIR STAKES! One stake per IP is guaranteed, possibly 2. I am personally OK with 2 since there are so few cases but that decision is up to the devs in the end.
The sock puppet removal was a huge success as it found one guy with 45 and others with tens of sock puppets. Those are the kind of people that need to be removed, not two people who claim to live together!
i can also confirm these 2 are real. myself, regtable, stuipooi123 and timmyd are all friends.
Now stuipooi has low activity on his account as he lives with timmyd who is an active member on multiple forums so as stu lives with tim he gets all the information he needs via tim so has no need to post unless he needs to.
they paid from separate accounts not the same one, they also use 2 separate computers.
What do you want from these guys? they have posted pictures of themselves on here which 90% of this entire bct forum users would not.
koop4u your account is a new account so you have obviously created that account to protect your own true identity. so for all we know multiple of the stake holders accounts could be yours.
its funny really considering all this shit regarding sockpuppet accounts when yourself are obviously a "sockpuppet account"
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE FIGHTING FOR THERE STAKES AND PROVING THEMSELVES TO YOU WHEN IN REALITY WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT YOURSELF?
Now stuipooi has low activity on his account as he lives with timmyd who is an active member on multiple forums so as stu lives with tim he gets all the information he needs via tim so has no need to post unless he needs to.
they paid from separate accounts not the same one, they also use 2 separate computers.
What do you want from these guys? they have posted pictures of themselves on here which 90% of this entire bct forum users would not.
koop4u your account is a new account so you have obviously created that account to protect your own true identity. so for all we know multiple of the stake holders accounts could be yours.
its funny really considering all this shit regarding sockpuppet accounts when yourself are obviously a "sockpuppet account"
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE FIGHTING FOR THERE STAKES AND PROVING THEMSELVES TO YOU WHEN IN REALITY WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT YOURSELF?
It's not the stakes so much dzarmush , for ages it seems we have been talking up this project to everyone we know cos we thought it was worthwhile. We agreed to put real effort into it .We are just disappointed.
I see no reason to take away all 3 stakes. I think you should get your stake coz there's no chance to prove you're not 3 different persons. But since it looks very suspicious the other two accounts shouldn't get their stakes.
Ye i have thank dzarmush you tried for us but if the rest of the comittie cant spot the difference between a puppet and 2 real person then theres big trouble ahead And they now look very silly.
Can the committee members who sustained a case please explain their decision? Currently it just looks as some members just sustain everything. We gave you money and this is not Wild West...
I'd also want to know that. It looks like they just want to get more coins to themselves.
timmyd and stuipooi123 are roommates for god's sake, they even posted their pictures. What the fuck committee members are thinking about?
GatorJMT and bluewhackadoo are a couple and both accounts have huge activity. Do you even check profiles before making a decision? Damn.
haggis and wegsturm also rommates and also have acivity, especially haggis.
With Case P84 I agree. There are three new accounts smartbomb, cupper5 and ZTP62 registered within few minutes on the forum. I don't believe they are three different people.
We did register onto the forum at the same time and we are 3 different people. Our money is gone and we are not stakeholders in nodecoin . It's your loss guys.
I believe all stakes will be refunded.
It's not the stakes so much dzarmush , for ages it seems we have been talking up this project to everyone we know cos we thought it was worthwhile. We agreed to put real effort into it .We are just disappointed.
I can confirm timmyd and stuipooi are both real people not a schitzophrenic multi account sockpuppet. Timmyd is an active member of the nxt comunity and if you asked or checked there you would see this to be true. Although stuipooi has not much activity this is due to him having a busy lifestyle and majoritavly at work. Please concider a yes vote to keep them both as they are good bag holders neither will just frivelously dump if they are removed from the stakeholder list i know atleast 5 true stake holders whom will discontinue support
Can the committee members who sustained a case please explain their decision? Currently it just looks as some members just sustain everything. We gave you money and this is not Wild West...
I'd also want to know that. It looks like they just want to get more coins to themselves.
timmyd and stuipooi123 are roommates for god's sake, they even posted their pictures. What the fuck committee members are thinking about?
GatorJMT and bluewhackadoo are a couple and both accounts have huge activity. Do you even check profiles before making a decision? Damn.
haggis and wegsturm also rommates and also have acivity, especially haggis.
With Case P84 I agree. There are three new accounts smartbomb, cupper5 and ZTP62 registered within few minutes on the forum. I don't believe they are three different people.
We did register onto the forum at the same time and we are 3 different people. Our money is gone and we are not stakeholders in nodecoin . It's your loss guys.
I believe all stakes will be refunded.
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