NODE Puppet Removal Temporary Complain Page! - page 8.

Eadeqa

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 13, 2014, 02:22:10 PM

But you said yourself that you created additional account/accounts in order to get more stakes.

What does it have to do with two different people who live together and bought one stake each?

You posted yourself that anyone with only two puppets will be automatically removed from the puppet list. Make up your mind, dude. I want one my stake back in that case.

dzarmush

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 13, 2014, 01:56:28 PM

I want my stakes back if others are getting extra

But you said yourself that you created additional account/accounts in order to get more stakes.

What does it have to do with two different people who live together and bought one stake each?

KLONE

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 12, 2014, 10:32:15 AM

@patmast3r

You've found out that all these are one person. How come most of them are in Final Stakeholder List Huh

Did UF somehow explain it?

659cb4e047e7ec16acf7db7c392f6424f6d156c7c6b6d424ad14b2f71a3df3d9 - boomboom
94f50a9df013e2b9f4c27cc377b89c842d8fa92ed29ad6ba775a2693b5bcf939 - wezelvis
3b42700aab9265bd365675420af951e59eb2233aca5299590cce3d7621e5bba7 - Attack.of.the.Clones
d924def9cc5db9a7a50761f26fbab918fb748cd7dbf20e8a30688721cf87c9bc - sockpuppet_1
ff455047c6e0403a804ec402a8b2d4f75b46f64d33323b153c7ee5daa2ce2045 - sockpuppet_4
6792e1e9036a8a217f2cd520e97324fd0418b59b252a71a6d41cdf436b162096 - sockpuppet_3
34704ad6230b98db1a63df3141ed968aa83ae5e987c74d5c333fcd08cf009f6f - sockpuppet_2
494be27498724f5072a600de0df4c92167ac77f13d73863125b243303f3583f0 - ?
2734187ad5f0a3f1b6f227bdb2993d0f57498e2b3f4bbaf1389e17ce4f745309 - KLONE

These aren't all the same person! What the taint analysis showed was that the payments were connected, and the reason why was clarified with utopianfuture. I know nothing about the sockpuppet ones or the '?', but the other four were cleared for NEM many months ago.

One of the other names in that list was the person who gave me my first small amount of bitcoins so I could open up a wallet on blockchain.info. On Jan 22 when my payment for NEM was sent that was judged as OK by UF.

The NODE users I've been associated with are P52 - I do not know any of these people. I use TOR though.
Nimitz
Underwood
Lazydazy

Eadeqa

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I want my stakes back if others are getting extra

dzarmush

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Quote from: KLONE on July 12, 2014, 11:51:57 PM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 12, 2014, 10:32:15 AM

@patmast3r

You've found out that all these are one person. How come most of them are in Final Stakeholder List Huh

Did UF somehow explain it?

659cb4e047e7ec16acf7db7c392f6424f6d156c7c6b6d424ad14b2f71a3df3d9 - boomboom
94f50a9df013e2b9f4c27cc377b89c842d8fa92ed29ad6ba775a2693b5bcf939 - wezelvis
3b42700aab9265bd365675420af951e59eb2233aca5299590cce3d7621e5bba7 - Attack.of.the.Clones
d924def9cc5db9a7a50761f26fbab918fb748cd7dbf20e8a30688721cf87c9bc - sockpuppet_1
ff455047c6e0403a804ec402a8b2d4f75b46f64d33323b153c7ee5daa2ce2045 - sockpuppet_4
6792e1e9036a8a217f2cd520e97324fd0418b59b252a71a6d41cdf436b162096 - sockpuppet_3
34704ad6230b98db1a63df3141ed968aa83ae5e987c74d5c333fcd08cf009f6f - sockpuppet_2
494be27498724f5072a600de0df4c92167ac77f13d73863125b243303f3583f0 - ?
2734187ad5f0a3f1b6f227bdb2993d0f57498e2b3f4bbaf1389e17ce4f745309 - KLONE

These aren't all the same person! What the taint analysis showed was that the payments were connected, and the reason why was clarified with utopianfuture. I know nothing about the sockpuppet ones or the '?', but the other four were cleared for NEM many months ago.

One of the other names in that list was the person who gave me my first small amount of bitcoins so I could open up a wallet on blockchain.info. On Jan 22 when my payment for NEM was sent that was judged as OK by UF.

The NODE users I've been associated with are P52 - I do not know any of these people. I use TOR though.
Nimitz
Underwood
Lazydazy

Got it. It's just that I was searching for Nem puppets who paid in Nxt and only put together accounts that paid for stakes from one address. That's why I thought everybody else did the same. If it was just taint analysys then of course it doesn't prove anything for sure.

Longclaw

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I also use Tor when going to the forums here. Please remove me as a sock puppet. I'm labeled as P56 and here are the other P56 "sock puppets" w/ the line # in the spreadsheet.

223 cryptoknightt
792 dgex_victim
796 UtopianNow
853 Dmitro
888 Triley
930 Volandetort

I'm on line #153 which is the first of this group and way earlier than these others. I've been registered on bitcointalk.org since October 20, 2012. I don't post a lot because I usually find what I need on the forums.

dzarmush

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Quote from: stuipooi123 on July 12, 2014, 05:40:45 PM

So when do me and timmyd find out that you have taken us off the list?

I don't think anyone of other 3 guys might even consider to take your stakes away. It would be madness.

So I believe you can just forget about this nonsense.

stuipooi123

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So when do me and timmyd find out that you have taken us off the list?

Coloniser

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What a "nice" surprise. I'm not anybody's sockpuppet and I didn't create sockpuppets myself. I have no idea why you think I am.

dzarmush

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Here's a list with btc and nxt addresses that paid for severa stakes - multi-accer address https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgHJzpkvTvCxdG40TDJrT1VkWXRKeHBCZGhRUXdPanc#gid=0

We can check Nem threads and find what accounts these addresses belong to.

dzarmush

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@koop4u

What's with those who deleted? Why did you delete them, not just labeled as others?

dzarmush

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Quote from: schnötzel on July 12, 2014, 10:27:22 AM

Where can i find NEM stakeholder list? All i can find is offline.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak91SD0veCeddDdmTkdaWV8zbHp2dWlodDVEVUItbXc&usp=sharing#gid=10

dzarmush

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@patmast3r

You've found out that all these are one person. How come most of them are in Final Stakeholder List Huh

Did UF somehow explain it?

659cb4e047e7ec16acf7db7c392f6424f6d156c7c6b6d424ad14b2f71a3df3d9 - boomboom
94f50a9df013e2b9f4c27cc377b89c842d8fa92ed29ad6ba775a2693b5bcf939 - wezelvis
3b42700aab9265bd365675420af951e59eb2233aca5299590cce3d7621e5bba7 - Attack.of.the.Clones
d924def9cc5db9a7a50761f26fbab918fb748cd7dbf20e8a30688721cf87c9bc - sockpuppet_1
ff455047c6e0403a804ec402a8b2d4f75b46f64d33323b153c7ee5daa2ce2045 - sockpuppet_4
6792e1e9036a8a217f2cd520e97324fd0418b59b252a71a6d41cdf436b162096 - sockpuppet_3
34704ad6230b98db1a63df3141ed968aa83ae5e987c74d5c333fcd08cf009f6f - sockpuppet_2
494be27498724f5072a600de0df4c92167ac77f13d73863125b243303f3583f0 - ?
2734187ad5f0a3f1b6f227bdb2993d0f57498e2b3f4bbaf1389e17ce4f745309 - KLONE

schnötzel

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Bitcoin is a bit**

Where can i find NEM stakeholder list? All i can find is offline.

dzarmush

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Quote from: KLONE on July 12, 2014, 08:32:30 AM

I am not a sockpuppet! I'm down as puppet P52, which is not correct.

Problem probably from using same TOR node as other stakeholders??

Please investigate and reinstate me.

Weren't you removed from NEM stakeholder's list? It wasn't smart to buy Node stake under this account, man.

UPD: Sorry, I confused you with someone else. Found you on the Final Stakeholder List.

dzarmush

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Quote from: hypersire on July 12, 2014, 07:35:48 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 11, 2014, 08:45:17 PM

Quote from: schnötzel on July 11, 2014, 08:31:44 PM

Investigate again!?

edit:

"Following your logic the best number of judges is 1 Smiley 100% majority, what can be better....."

Cheesy

But with only 1 judge there´s no majority

edit2:

I´m hoping we will have 100% with 4 judges in general

What's your position, by the way? )

That's mine:
1. Unlabel all groups of 2 people without questioning. If anybody wanted to make puppets he wouldn't stop with just one and would make at least 5-10. Also there is absolutely not any chance to prove that 2 account are puppets, not family/friends/roommates.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.

If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.

I think this is a solid strategy. Obviously there were people with huge groups of puppets (Koop mentioned one guy with 45). Those are the ones that we definitely want gone out of Node, not two people who state they are friends/partners/roomates.

45? wow, that won't do for sure

KLONE

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I am not a sockpuppet! I'm down as puppet P52, which is not correct.

Problem probably from using same TOR node as other stakeholders??

Please investigate and reinstate me.

timmyd

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Quote from: stuipooi123 on July 12, 2014, 07:29:39 AM

Quote from: timmyd on July 11, 2014, 04:19:40 PM

Please see your main thread for pictures of me and stuipooi123 proving we are not puppets thanks. he lives with me hence the same ip. would appreciate not been labelled as a puppet. thanks

As above i live with timmyd. That why we have the same ip. An tim if we keep having this same problem then you are going to have to move out Cheesy

lol

My house biatch you can live in your car in the garden

Wesiematic

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Quote from: rugrats on July 12, 2014, 07:41:47 AM

How nice if Bitcointalk also implement this puppet labeling strategy. The place would be a lot safer and nicer. Cool

but bitcointalk.org saying explicity that sockpuppets are allowed and an legitime way to express different opinions then maybe your main-account.
That's the reason why the removal of suckpuppets is the duty of the developers and in our case also the duty of the community.

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How nice if Bitcointalk also implement this puppet labeling strategy. The place would be a lot safer and nicer. Cool

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