Topic: Not Craig Wright? Who did you expect? - page 2. (Read 3508 times)

thats the problem, who the hell care about who is satoshi? why people can just enjoy what he give to us, intead iof trying to "find" something that could not change nothing?

craig is not satoshi? even if craig was him, everything should be fine...

The prize for finding Satoshi is him kicking your balls through the top of your mouth for screwing his life up.

I expect Satoshi to be a nerd though not because he really is a nerd but maybe he just smoke 25 sticks of marijuana everyday while his hobby is reading penthouse.
There has been no proof given by wright so I guess the search for Satoshi still continues, how much is the bounty for finding him by the way?

Bitcoin community is more powerful without Craig Wright so it doesn't matter who is that person, majority of the people believe Craig Wright is not the Satoshi in real because he failed to prove his claim there, we don't need him anymore here to make some funny statements about what he is talking there.

Yes - why would he do that ?

 
Careful - now you are starting to sound like him  

As I'm seeing it now Craig Wright has kind of wanted his cake and to eat it. He's done this by only ostensibly going public ie. not going public at all, but by lodging the proof, and laying the burden of that proof, with (in particular) Andresen. He's kind of diluted his personal liability. Which, to be honest, is giving Gavin the short end of the stick.

(As an aside, Craigs reticence to prove his ownership of the private keys even to Gavin (he became quite emotional apparently, his voice was breaking) possibly gives us some insight into the extent to which this man has valued his anonymity here, and understands the possible magnitude/gravity for him personally in coming out at all - even if he did only do it via proxy and a non disclosure agreement)

There's more, I'm sure, to come out about this. Because as things stand right now, there has been no closure for anyone concerned. For me, as I've said before, the guy is legit. But its more of a gut instinct than anything else - so I'm not really surprised if not many people share my view.

It doesn't really matter either way.

I've tried to resist quoting Nietzsche here but what the Hell :- "God is dead, and we have killed him"



LOL - are you part of the WE ?

Actually steam power has been around since the 1800's but the problem is you need a heat source, such as burning coal or wood - or a nuclear reactor - to evaporate the water. Subs and Aircraft Carriers have nuclear reactors but not too practical in a car.

If you are talking about separating Hydrogen from Oxygen, i.e. a fuel cell, that works too but it isn't "powered by water" since an energy source is needed to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen.

Electric cars have been ubiquitous for decades on the golf course but were impractical for roads due to short battery life and low yield. Sure you could have very lightweight cars, and there is nothing really preventing you from using a golf cart on the roads, but you'll be dead if it crashes into anything at speed.

But sure by all means go to your dealership and by yourself a water car. Oh, wait, there are none. The "evil man" must be responsible. Never mind that Elon Musk is cranking out electric cars all day long with ZERO resistance from the "evil man" that you think has held back al these wonderful water-powered technologies.

LCSociety has been arguing Wright is Satoshi on another thread. Actually, he's been promoting every crank conspiracy theory you've ever heard of and a few that you haven't on a couple threads here the last few days. Either a master troll or someone in need of some serious help IRL. At any rate, he's wasted a lot of people's time here so I suggest we start ignoring him.

So satoshi is a Japanese then?

I've been reading that there are people who believe Gavin Andresen is actually Satoshi and that he created and interacted with the Satoshi account publicly just to make his Houdini-style disappearing act more believable and send people on a wild goose chase  
Reading about conspiracy theories is fun  

Craig does not Satoshi.
Craig Wright stopped trying to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. May 5 removed from the site all the statements in which he talked about his involvement in the development of cryptocurrency.
As regards "because he's a middle-aged clean-shaven normal looking white guy". Appearances are deceptive. You can not judge a person by his appearance. Yes, there is a stereotype that the first impression comes from the appearance. But no one knows what a man really is. Dirty smelly homeless person may be in the past, famous and gifted musician.

And I do not tire of repeating, "What do you care who Satoshi? Just use the Bitcoin and enjoy!"

"We" are those who are reviewing the proofs presented to us by third parties.  "We" are those who the media is addressing.  And, "we" are those who utilize the block chain ledger to form the bitcoin network.  There could be no network if there were no "we."

Believing that the only function of the block chain is to send and receive bitcoin in a trustless manner is naive.  Take for example the newspaper headline contained within the genesis block, "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks," this was included to prove when bitcoin was created....The ledger provides a means to record statements of fact in a trustless manner also.

And, yes, I agree; the block chain can't prove that this guy is who he claims to be because that is an existential issue.  But, it can prove that he holds the private keys he is claiming to possess, in the many ways he has publicly tried to convince us he actually possesses.  He is the one claiming to hold those keys, so he is the one the burden of proof falls upon.  And, he can prove those claims very easily by submitting an entry on the ledger....asking a third party to validate and transmit his claims is sidestepping the protocol.  He doesn't have to prove to us he is superman because that's not required.  All he has to do is provide some factual evidence to back up his claims.

EDIT: (response to edit)"But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?"


I think that the block chain ledger provides the people the freedom to take back control of personal worth from those agencies which have been manipulating it to suit their needs for centuries.  It provides the freedom to accept or deny personal assets && liabilities as we see fit.  If I'm am saying this "thing" is mine, the ledger provides an avenue to prove that "thing" without the necessity to involve a third party.  All I am saying is that the ledger provides a mechanism to prove my claims and it provides a mechanism by which I can disassociate my public identity from those claims....That freedom is provided by the block chain....going through a third party is unnecessary....Why, if I chose to be anonymous, would I hire a PR team to blast my face all over the media?  That does not fit the profile of one who had the conviction to conceptualize a mechanism to remove that burden.

Ultimately, it's our choice to make.  The truth being, how much I am worth and how much they say I am worth does not matter because I hold the keys to who I am and it's not attached to a centralized data base controlled by any other entity.  I do what I do and the appendages attached to my name are irrelevant.

Actually it is very good question! I like to theorize about bitcoin genesis too. I realized that for many people bitcoin beginning is shrouded in mystery to the point they started to worship Satoshi as some kind of deity.
For them it is almost impossible to accept that he might be normal human being and it will be better if his identity was never revealed.

his look and age really doesn't matter. he have history of faking his background (read this). at the very least I would be a little disappointed if it was proven that wright is indeed satoshi.

"WE" ??

Who the fuck is WE ?

There is no "WE".

Who are you ?

If you send me 10btc I don't need to trust you - thats been farmed out. But what if someone tells me you are the son of Superman ? What you gonna do ? Would you want to prove it to me, even if it were true ? The blockchain isn't going to help you out here - its an existential issue.

Do you value your agency, your freedom to act in a manner of your choosing, where when and if you decide ?
Or do you wanna be a star ?

But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?

I personally believe that Craig Wright has something to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Probably, he is one part of the group what created Bitcoin. I do not think he is the developer but he has got a lot of experience in the field of security and encryption. I believe that Hal Finney is one of the group members, too. Probably, Hal is the developer who created the source code. Unfortunately, Hal can not give his opinion to this Wright story anymore.

I agree. In addition, anybody who calls him "Craig White" when we all know his name is Craig Wright, really has some kind of a problem. Or was LCSociety actually dropping a hint that some joker named Craig White is the real Satoshi?

^^ This guy!  What?  Tinfoil hat broken?

So, no proof == obvious proof?  He used the protocol to verify his identity to a third party, so we should trust that evidence and ignore what we don't see on the chain?  Are we once again resigned to relying upon third party validation even though we invented this wonderful system to eliminate that "PROBLEM?"

I think this reasoning is exactly why Craig Wright doesn't fit the profile of the Satoshi Nakamoto we've come to understand.  WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!  So, whether he's a middle aged white guy going thru some form of mid-life crisis, or a long haired, pot smoking, midget mind in a basement somewhere really doesn't matter.  If he is trying to invalidate the value of the block chain ledger, then he is not our (Bitcoin's) guy; he is our (Bitcoin's) enemy!

Yes not Craig Wrigh i expected for being Satoshi Nakamoto,but also i confuse to choose who is proper and suitable for Satoshi Nakamoto,i wish people from asia come and claiming as bitcoin founder,maybe they one of member from Satoshi Nakamoto group.

Thank you.


Interesting theory. If you also have a proof, it can get even more interesting.


I tend to somehow agree with this, though I wouldn't bring it to the level you are implying.


I would respect him if he would have convinced me. Unfortunately, all the evidence I have tells that this guy is a fraud, though a fraud that may have known "Satoshi"...