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"We even received a strongly worded anonymous warning to threaten to boycott and spread negative publicity about us if we continued to accept Dash. "

Wow, that is just horrible. Whichever 'proponent' of monero that was should be very ashamed of himself. If it happened to be a reverse troll, that's even lower. (Since it was an anonymous threat it can't be discounted. Nasty tactics on both sides are being used)

Anyways, I wish this whole childish ridiculous battle could just come to an end. It's counter productive for both parties, and frankly makes us all look bad. See the response of the the merchant above. Luckily he took the effort to join the IRC-channel which resolved it more or less, but I can imagine other people being totally put off by this kind of shit.


I have my preferred project, others have theirs. Big fucking deal. Criticism is ok, but these guerilla wartactics are just retarded.

well we remember how monero bag holder bully and intimidate to to get what they want, so  monero ppl threaten TPTB is not a big surprise here
https://www.bolehvpn.net/blog/2015/12/14/what-is-dash-and-why-is-bolehvpn-accepting-it/

Were they nasty to you? Well they are nasty people. You are most welcome here, friend.

I was threatened and received unfair and spiteful censorship in the two official Monero threads, so I was forced to copy my posts to a thread where the Monero gulag doesn't have the ability to delete my posts.

Seems that troll thread is factually correct on some of the controlling and manipulative tactics employed by the Monero community. I haven't read the entire thread, so I can't say if I agree with everything written there.

If that is your objectivity, I don't see what I could gain from your contribution to my work. Sounds like you would just bog my work down with needless political nonsense. I will never be a bitch to some community political morass. I will stay focused on getting the technology and marketing correct, if I continue in crypto. I have no idea what you all are doing in Monero. Seems like you all excel and put inordinate effort into patting yourselves on the back and boasting about how great you are and how you have the best devs and it is inevitable that you will win the long-term race because you have the best community and all that pumped up ego shit delusion.

Nonsense. The meta-data can be correlated. It is unprovable as to what of a myriad of scenarios will be correlated and not correlated. The entropy of the universe is unbounded. 


Very strong assumptions backed by a lot of math. And a lot very smart mathematicians and cryptographers trying to break the math.

If cryptography is broken, then society may stop functioning and we may regress several decades in living standards.


Cryptonote is likely more mathematically well supported. Zerocash will indeed need to garnish more peer review for it to be as trusted as ECC.


Dash is better than Monero then! Come on smooth don't be a hypocrite. On chain anonymity is End-to-End Principled. Off chain mixing is not. That is fundamental and has been (one of) the argument(s) employed by Monero against Dash.

On chain anonymity is provable with math, except not for Cryptonote because the combinatorial analysis math is unfathomable and can't be expressed in a closed form. With Zerocash, the math of the anonymity set is simple; it is everyone. Every transaction in the universe is in your anonymity set in Zerocash.

Cryptonote isn't even close not even with orders-of-magnitude close. And that is not even factoring in the meta-data issue.

You are trying to equate a microbe to an elephant. The elephant is in your living room and you are denying it.

Zerocash does not need IP obfuscation when all the transactions are in the private zerocoins. Cite the section of the paper. I think you must be misunderstanding something. You are probably conflating the use of the regular non-anonymous coins mentioned in the paper.

Here you are making excuses again. Corporations are not going to trust unprovable shit. And moreover, mixnets are always vulnerable to flood attacks. They are very, very unreliable. Not only do I disagree, but I also think you are ignoring basic fundamental realities about the technologies.

Edit: arguing for Tor/I2P is akin to arguing for Dash's off chain mixing. Now look in the mirror and remember your arguments for End-to-End Principled ring sigs (versus off chain mixing) and realize the same logic applies to why Zerocash is superior to using off chain mixnets. Hypocrite.

Edit#2: okay I see the section you are referring to:


I will need to understand this attack better. Seems to me they are saying that you need to spend from a block where your pour transaction was the only transaction in the block. But the user would I think know this and thus not spend the coin any more. Thus I believe the anonymity remains provable without the use of any mixnet. I will need to understand this more deeply to be sure.

The unbanked have no use for anonymity. Dissidents is not a large, lucrative market. Edward Snowden may be your sole users. And to the extent there are people who want to use anonymity for those reasons, they will be even more inclined to use Zerocash anonymity so they can't get caught from their meta-data. You seem to be forgetting a key fact, that is compromise of the masterkey for Zerocash does not break the anonymity.

Come on. Corporations is where the meat & potatos is for privacy block chains likely will be.


Even if so, Zerocash is superior in every way for anonymity. The only criticism is about coin supply, but if anonymity is your main problem (e.g. dissidants, etc), then you don't care about coin supply as long as you can complete your transaction anonymously.


Yup and that is why zk-snarks are incredibly important. That is why 2 months ago I started a thread on trying to analyze them from first principles.


Without permissionless, decentralized block chain design, anonymity won't help you maintain fungibility, because the anonymity can be stripped off by the top-down controllers.

And if you do have permissionless, decentralized block chain design, then you don't absolutely need anonymity to have fungibility. Ideally you'd have both. But if you have to choose a priority, then anonymity is the lower priority.



You are supporting the logic in my prior post.



And so why are you treating me unfairly in your community threads when I try to raise awareness to stop wasting time down dead ends and begin to transition asap?

Deleting my rebuttals to assholes who are treating me like shit and you don't delete their ad hominem attacks. Because you are beholden to your community and can't be objective and fair because of it! You became the bitch to the assholes and then had to fuck off one of the developers in our ecosytem (me). We developers are the ones who write the code. The assholes just muck up everything.

you cant point their flaw in public, its their marketing team tactic

Cripes I try to help you guys and you still aren't satisfied.

I change from the Monero Speculation thread to the Monero Technical thread because you all told me to.

Now you tell me that I am off topic here also.

Where is the Monero thread where I can speak freely?

Public manipulation, censorship. and ad hominem attacks against those who present facts:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13623425

You guys should read the shit "smooth" tried to shovel on us all on IRC last night. ROFL
..logged

coming soon LOL

Nice read, very smooth

we are know who is icebraker, but even then this is a new low for him to claim Dash is dropping while it worth almost double atm
 

Seems like it's getting a bit cointelpro in here.

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

You're right, it is gay faggotry. They don't even have a proper wallet, or a dev, or a community, just a bunch of losers propping it up i.e. SCAMero

I think what we need know is Smoothie's retort here for the market cap doesn't matter ROFL

I guess what ever happens you guys hang around and twist it into your winning somehow huh ?

You Monero idiots are fucking joke.

I would rather go out and light my money on fire than buy your gay ass Monero bullshit "Coin"
And you know what ?
I did.
I even posted pictures of it here

Monero ? GAY Faggotry !

So that .01 ceiling doesn't exists? Because it seems every time the price tries to break it, it falls back below it in a matter of days. Not that this makes good tech or bad tech (peer review decides), but nice to see that the market acknowledges its substantial limitations.

Oh, yes yes...we are all doomed after DASH recently doubled it's market cap...oh no.. wot shall we do etc etc. Go take your pills now, laddie, it's only for grown-ups here. Rational talk, y'know?

And seeing it crash back to under the .01 spot again, must be really comforting. Guess hording all those coins on masternodes can only do so much as it doesn't seem like anyone new is interested in paying for Evan's hype machine. It's restoring my faith in humanity to see bad tech flounder under the weight of its uselessness.

Twenty-six million versus five million? Yes, I am really really mad...smh