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My point is Monero folks think they know everything and don't need to listen to anyone. And they censor what they don't want to hear.

Other platforms which refute Zooko's conjecture, include: Twister and Monero OpenAlias.

Cryptodromeda's point may be that you miss the obvious sometimes. And design work is part of marketing.

Thanks for proving me correct.

Graphic arts is not marketing. Try rereading my post to understand that I pointed out Linux's marketing was the identification of a synergy with a natural need of corporations to replace proprietary operating systems. Monero's current technology does not synergize with corporations and private block chains for corporations is the only viable (legal) market I see for anonymity. Thus Monero has failed to do the most basic marketing analysis that one does before starting a project. Those who confuse marketing with promotion exemplify their total lack of knowledge of the field of marketing.

As you well know I explained in the Aeon thread that I was brainstorming and produced that image in 30 seconds as a way to exemplify what didn't work visually and why.

Monero/Aeon community only know how to attack and never to listen, learn, and be receptive to all open source input. That is why your coin projects will crash and burn.

Coming from the person who brought us knife fork and plate coin.

My point is if they have no clue where they are headed marketing wise.

The Monero Devs are developing the tech first, market second and are using the motto of "under promise and over deliver," whereas it seems you are working under the motto of "Over promise, say it's impossible and then move onto the next idea," which is still better than the dash motto, "Over promise and say you've got a better idea when most people figure out that you lied or can't deliver."

Some people just don't agree with you or your methods, not sure why you have to plaster 5 threads about it.

The comments from that transcript that stuck out for me are:


I believe the Monero/Aeon folks put a lot of their effort, time, and money into Monero. I sincerely feel empathy for them when reading that. I know from my own failures, how painful it is to have to admit that such enthusiasm didn't work out as planned. Being able to take the axe to the desks as I once did, walk away and start fresh is much more efficient than hanging on to the umbilical cord until the placenta has dried and shrivelled into shoe leather.

It is difficult for me to only feel empathy, because their entire overriding philosophy of dominating a sector by stealingadopting Bytecoin's source code and then bashing in anyone's head who tried to argue that the model of socialism they were adopting for a business model was deeply flawed.

I have now come to the conclusion that these are guys who are smart in coding, and had some experience at running businesses or being contractors related to computer programming but when they hatched this braindead idea of Monero they were trying some idealistic fantasy and out-of-their-competency/experience level. Perhaps some of these guys have contributed to the Linux kernel or otherwise felt they understood open source development and could apply it here. One of the key differences from Linux is that crypto currency serves primarily speculators unless one invents a design to serve actual adoption markets. Linux was competing over the long-term with proprietary OSes and so many businesses had a compelling interest to fund and join in its development.

I have tried to explain to Monero that until they get an adoption market targeted to businesses (given they have no chance in hell of marketing directly to the masses, because their historical experience makes them unqualified), then they will not be able to apply the Linux business model and instead will be in this circle-jerk business model of greater fool, zero-sum speculation community morass that causes them to feel they need to ill-treat other developers and marketers such as myself. The brow beating and censorship on forums will never inspire great innovators to join them.

All-in-all I want to emphasize I don't dislike smooth. He helped me and has been enormously empathetic to my illness. I don't wish any ill will or outcome for him. I just have concluded that he and I have different areas of expertise and experience and so much so that it makes us incompatible when evaluating the best vision for running a crypto project.

I edited my last comment.. i re-offer my deal with you guys

And i will see if i can dig up that IRC log and put it on paste bin or something maybe.
I didn't think anyone would want to read a looong argument between me and smooth  

EDIT:

The previously mentioned chat log with smooth from IRC 2 days ago..

http://pastebin.com/V5EUay2u

[02:21] you know who else fucking donated to help support development?
00[02:21] ifi wanted to bury your crew i would eh
[02:21] me, you idiot
[02:21] and most of the other developers
00[02:22] all i would have to do is compare you comments from round 1 to round 2
[02:22] out of our own fucking pockets

Smooth is demanding that I post my marketing thoughts in a separate thread from my technical thoughts, breaking the conversation continuity up across multi-threads. It was not my desire to post again in this Monero Speculation thread, but it is only official Monero thread I am aware where I can post marketing thoughts that impact speculation decisions on Monero. Where on BCT is the official Monero thread for having open discussions?

I can confirm that the chat happened, and in a brief glance at the transcript it looked authentic. I can't confirm that it wasn't edited at all.

I personally would prefer to read the transcript than your one-sided summary of what transpired. Plz don't be offended. If you can't produce it, then it didn't happen.

You are a liar. You insisted that BCX fixed the coin, when no such thing happened (all that happened was FUD).

Every time you post about this stuff you lie more.

Such as BitcoinEXpress's dram with Monero like 1.5 years back..
And on that point smooth didn't just say well, i don;t recall any of that story etc.
Nope.. he blindly went on to call me a liar etc.

I personally would prefer to read the transcript than your one-sided summary of what transpired. Plz don't be offended. If you can't produce it, then it didn't happen.

I can post the IRC log but it's long and rather pointless.

I have no project for the readers to invest in, so the topic of the thread is nonsense.

If this is a forward looking question, assuming that I might produce a project, then I will not involve myself in discussions of the probabilities surrounding vaporware.

My intuition is that the purpose of this thread is to try to collect and manipulate public opinion, and this is apparently already well documented tactic of the Monero (and now apparently by association the Aeon) clan.

I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.

My guess is that AmericanPegasus started this thread as an attempt at comedy and not for any other nefarious purpose.  I won't spend more time in this thread either but I do not assume ill intent. There are many people in the Monero and Aeon communities who value the contributions of TPTB.

"We even received a strongly worded anonymous warning to threaten to boycott and spread negative publicity about us if we continued to accept Dash. "

Wow, that is just horrible. Whichever 'proponent' of monero that was should be very ashamed of himself. If it happened to be a reverse troll, that's even lower. (Since it was an anonymous threat it can't be discounted. Nasty tactics on both sides are being used)

Anyways, I wish this whole childish ridiculous battle could just come to an end. It's counter productive for both parties, and frankly makes us all look bad. See the response of the the merchant above. Luckily he took the effort to join the IRC-channel which resolved it more or less, but I can imagine other people being totally put off by this kind of shit.


I have my preferred project, others have theirs. Big fucking deal. Criticism is ok, but these guerilla wartactics are just retarded.