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DinosaurBit

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Quote from: vapourminer on August 28, 2020, 09:38:30 AM

Quote from: DinosaurBit on August 27, 2020, 07:03:22 PM

I've seen a few Oanda mobo/cpu/RAM combos on eBay that aren't expensive, so I'll make sure to look for them for my next rig.

i have an Onda D8P (i assume you mean onda not oanda but perhaps im mistaken.) its an 8 full size slot board with 2.5 spacing between slots so 2 slot gpus still have breathing room. its run flawlessly for years and has had fpgas as well as gpus in it. that model has a socket for the cpu (i threw a pentium g4400 in) and one sodimm slot as well as a msata ssd socket so is very self contained and neat as far as wires etc.

dunno if you can get them now. but it was a game changer from my riser rigs. what a pain riser rigs were when changing things around, cleaning gpus etc. riserless boards for the win.

Yes sorry - I meant Onda. I still has an unused B150 as well as some spare risers, so I guess I'll use that for my next rig. But the next mobo I buy for mining is an Onda. No question! All those USB wires are unaesthetic.

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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?

Quote from: DinosaurBit on August 27, 2020, 07:03:22 PM

I've seen a few Oanda mobo/cpu/RAM combos on eBay that aren't expensive, so I'll make sure to look for them for my next rig.

i have an Onda D8P (i assume you mean onda not oanda but perhaps im mistaken.) its an 8 full size slot board with 2.5 spacing between slots so 2 slot gpus still have breathing room. its run flawlessly for years and has had fpgas as well as gpus in it. that model has a socket for the cpu (i threw a pentium g4400 in) and one sodimm slot as well as a msata ssd socket so is very self contained and neat as far as wires etc.

dunno if you can get them now. but it was a game changer from my riser rigs. what a pain riser rigs were when changing things around, cleaning gpus etc. riserless boards for the win.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 27, 2020, 07:20:43 PM

Here are some points to give away. I will post my rig in a few.

Thanks a lot @philipma1957! Shared some love.

Nice carpet btw! Grin

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Quote from: Marvell2 on August 28, 2020, 03:11:39 AM

Quote from: alucard20724 on August 27, 2020, 05:54:18 PM

Quote from: GabryRox on August 27, 2020, 04:10:03 PM

Quick question on MSI rebates... their current August promotion reflects the following fine print:

"Limit one rebate card per product line per person, address, and household"

Am i right in assuming this means the following:

- If i buy 3 5700XT Mech GPUs, I will only be able to claim 1 $20 rebate

There's actually two different rebates. One is specifically only for newegg. The other one is for microcenter,bestbuy,frys and newegg. If you bought two cards from newegg, you could get two rebates, but if you bought it from some other place, then only one.

Quote from: GabryRox on August 27, 2020, 04:10:03 PM

but

- If i buy 1 5700XT Mech, 1 5700 (non XT) MEch, and 1 5700XT Gaming, I will be able to claim 3x $20 rebates?

Do i have that right?

Yes... all three, since the rebates are by upc codes and each product has a different upc. also the same thing from above applies, so potentially 6 rebates if you bought all from newegg.... potentially

nah they never do that, they don’t care about upc codes , when you fill the rebate form you put your mail address, its as it says 1 per address

it's one rebate per product... the rebate form even states Limit (13) rebate card(s) per address
so with this one rebate https://msi.rebateaccess.com/promotion.php?p=91454 you can get 13 rebates on 13 different cards... this rebate form is for NEWEGG.COM, NEWEGGBUSINESS.COM only for August.

There's another rebate form for August https://msi.rebateaccess.com/promotion.php?p=91452 which list: AMAZON.COM,B & H PHOTO AND VIDEO,BEST BUY, BHPHOTOVIDEO.COM, FRY'S ELECTRONICS, FRYS.COM, MICRO CENTER, MICROCENTER.COM, NEWEGG.COM, OUTLETPC.COM... (these are copy and pasted, i wasn't spending the extra effort to change cap size)

So that's a potential 26 rebate... the rebates also require serial numbers so i'm assuming you would only be able to get one rebate per card and not two rebates per one card. though the rebate forms don't explicitly prohibit that.. i might try it with the 5600XT i got from Newegg... maybe Grin

I got two rebates for the June. One from Amazon for MSI 5700 Mech OC and one from Newegg for an MSI 5700 Mech OC.

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Quote from: alucard20724 on August 27, 2020, 05:54:18 PM

Quote from: GabryRox on August 27, 2020, 04:10:03 PM

Quick question on MSI rebates... their current August promotion reflects the following fine print:

"Limit one rebate card per product line per person, address, and household"

Am i right in assuming this means the following:

- If i buy 3 5700XT Mech GPUs, I will only be able to claim 1 $20 rebate

There's actually two different rebates. One is specifically only for newegg. The other one is for microcenter,bestbuy,frys and newegg. If you bought two cards from newegg, you could get two rebates, but if you bought it from some other place, then only one.

Quote from: GabryRox on August 27, 2020, 04:10:03 PM

but

- If i buy 1 5700XT Mech, 1 5700 (non XT) MEch, and 1 5700XT Gaming, I will be able to claim 3x $20 rebates?

Do i have that right?

Yes... all three, since the rebates are by upc codes and each product has a different upc. also the same thing from above applies, so potentially 6 rebates if you bought all from newegg.... potentially

nah they never do that, they don’t care about upc codes , when you fill the rebate form you put your mail address, its as it says 1 per address

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Quote from: DinosaurBit on August 27, 2020, 07:03:22 PM

Quote from: adaseb on August 27, 2020, 10:57:18 AM

I did the exact same as you, basically took a pen tube and cut it in small pieces and used those as the "spacing" between the wood and motherboard.

Love the pen tube idea! What I did on my side is I used self adhesive bumpers and drilled mobo through them.

Quote from: citronick on August 27, 2020, 12:14:03 PM

When i first started my 1st rig, got a nice rack blah blah.... when I decided to go full steam ahead in 2016, speed to deploy was the essence and built the miners around the full height rack itself, with GPUs hanging via metal S hooks.... then when space and GPU density came into play.... I got rid of risers all together and standardized on riserless motherboards like the K35 mostly and a few Oanda, Colorful motherboard variants. You can find the pictures of my open air rigs in one of Phil's thread. One more thing.... the biggest game changer for me was using SMOS and ditching Windows all together... that saved me tons of hours in rig building and babysitting sick rigs on Windoze

Thanks @citronick that is gold. I didn't even know such boards existed! Cheesy

Being riserless is sure less expensive as well. I like how you just have to slide GPUs in there and not have to worry about fixing them. Had a look at your rigs and they look pretty slick. K35 seems hard to find, but I've seen a few Oanda mobo/cpu/RAM combos on eBay that aren't expensive, so I'll make sure to look for them for my next rig.

As of SMOS, they don't seem to support GPUs less than 6Gb anymore, so that won't work for my low-end 3Gb rigs. However, I did the math and came to the conclusion I'd better save for 5600/5700/XT instead of spending on anything else moving forward (hopefully I can control my addiction for a while). I'll sure consider SMOS at that point. 2 bucks monthly per rig is a steal... As a miner, if you consider you're paid for your time at an hourly rate just like any job, dealing with Windows issues and endless updates/reboot factor for much more than $24 a year!

Your post would definitely deserve some merit. Sadly, I still can't share the love... But I guess I will at some point!

Here are some points to give away. I will post my rig in a few.
4 cards 150 mhs 489 watts at the meter

   msi 5600
   msi 5600
   msi 5700
visiontek 5500

smos 153mhs and 466 watts software

actual meter 489 watts.

The gear is pretty efficient better then my 1080tis

500 watts is 12 kwatts a day

so

$2.40 a day in power if you are 20 cent power
$1.80 a day in power if you are 15 cent power
$1.20 a day in power if you are 10 cent power
$0.96 a day in power if you are 8 cent power
$0.72 a day in power if you are 6 cent power
$0.48 a day in power if you are 4 cent power

this rig is earning 4-6 a day. so it is not great at my house in the summer,

but at the farm I get 2-4 a day. which is 250-500 day payback. and all the gear has three year warranty.

I would argue getting one rig four cards is fine if you don't have a lot of gear.

I had my old gear and added two thousand in new gear. it should pay off in three months since i have enough old gear.

DinosaurBit

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Quote from: adaseb on August 27, 2020, 10:57:18 AM

I did the exact same as you, basically took a pen tube and cut it in small pieces and used those as the "spacing" between the wood and motherboard.

Love the pen tube idea! What I did on my side is I used self adhesive bumpers and drilled mobo through them.

Quote from: citronick on August 27, 2020, 12:14:03 PM

When i first started my 1st rig, got a nice rack blah blah.... when I decided to go full steam ahead in 2016, speed to deploy was the essence and built the miners around the full height rack itself, with GPUs hanging via metal S hooks.... then when space and GPU density came into play.... I got rid of risers all together and standardized on riserless motherboards like the K35 mostly and a few Oanda, Colorful motherboard variants. You can find the pictures of my open air rigs in one of Phil's thread. One more thing.... the biggest game changer for me was using SMOS and ditching Windows all together... that saved me tons of hours in rig building and babysitting sick rigs on Windoze

Thanks @citronick that is gold. I didn't even know such boards existed! Cheesy

Being riserless is sure less expensive as well. I like how you just have to slide GPUs in there and not have to worry about fixing them. Had a look at your rigs and they look pretty slick. K35 seems hard to find, but I've seen a few Oanda mobo/cpu/RAM combos on eBay that aren't expensive, so I'll make sure to look for them for my next rig.

As of SMOS, they don't seem to support GPUs less than 6Gb anymore, so that won't work for my low-end 3Gb rigs. However, I did the math and came to the conclusion I'd better save for 5600/5700/XT instead of spending on anything else moving forward (hopefully I can control my addiction for a while). I'll sure consider SMOS at that point. 2 bucks monthly per rig is a steal... As a miner, if you consider you're paid for your time at an hourly rate just like any job, dealing with Windows issues and endless updates/reboot factor for much more than $24 a year!

Your post would definitely deserve some merit. Sadly, I still can't share the love... But I guess I will at some point!

philipma1957

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I like the six card or eight card riser free racks.

I use a piece of mdf under them. I raise the mobo with Eight screws and eight plastic spacers.

i hold the gpus in place with a piece of aluminum angle and some pipe straps.

i had six old mobos three were six card three were eight card.

that is room for 3 x 6= 18 and 3 x 8 = 24 total of 42 gpus. I space them a bit more so i am using 23 cards.
really easy to do.

I will photo one later tonight.

it is four cards on a six card board. does 150mh and 490 watts at the meter.

2 newegg. msi 5600
1 provantage. msi 5700
1 dell. visontek 5500

i had the mobo/cpu/ram and an 850 watt plat rosewill psu.

this rig cost about 1050 for the gpus.

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Quote from: GabryRox on August 27, 2020, 04:10:03 PM

Quick question on MSI rebates... their current August promotion reflects the following fine print:

"Limit one rebate card per product line per person, address, and household"

Am i right in assuming this means the following:

- If i buy 3 5700XT Mech GPUs, I will only be able to claim 1 $20 rebate

There's actually two different rebates. One is specifically only for newegg. The other one is for microcenter,bestbuy,frys and newegg. If you bought two cards from newegg, you could get two rebates, but if you bought it from some other place, then only one.

Quote from: GabryRox on August 27, 2020, 04:10:03 PM

but

- If i buy 1 5700XT Mech, 1 5700 (non XT) MEch, and 1 5700XT Gaming, I will be able to claim 3x $20 rebates?

Do i have that right?

Yes... all three, since the rebates are by upc codes and each product has a different upc. also the same thing from above applies, so potentially 6 rebates if you bought all from newegg.... potentially

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Quick question on MSI rebates... their current August promotion reflects the following fine print:

"Limit one rebate card per product line per person, address, and household"

Am i right in assuming this means the following:

- If i buy 3 5700XT Mech GPUs, I will only be able to claim 1 $20 rebate

but

- If i buy 1 5700XT Mech, 1 5700 (non XT) MEch, and 1 5700XT Gaming, I will be able to claim 3x $20 rebates?

Do i have that right?

citronick

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When i first started my 1st rig, got a nice rack blah blah.... when I decided to go full steam ahead in 2016, speed to deploy was the essence and built the miners around the full height rack itself, with GPUs hanging via metal S hooks.... then when space and GPU density came into play.... I got rid of risers all together and standardized on riserless motherboards like the K35 mostly and a few Oanda, Colorful motherboard variants. You can find the pictures of my open air rigs in one of Phil's thread. One more thing.... the biggest game changer for me was using SMOS and ditching Windows all together... that saved me tons of hours in rig building and babysitting sick rigs on Windoze

Quote from: DinosaurBit on August 27, 2020, 09:27:38 AM

Might sound like a basic question but how are you guys building your rigs with that many GPUs?

What I've done so far is I built my racks using cheap framing lumber... I just make sure MOBO has some spacing with wood using plastic pieces.

No way I'll invest in an aluminium frame at $100... I prefer to keep that money for GPUs.

Here are those masterpieces (there are actually two racks there... I just built them so they could be stacked):

...snip...

I've seen those shelves being used a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UltraZinc-Shelving-Wheels/dp/B07CJVL5BK

... could have 6 rigs on one shelf. I'm wondering how I could "hang" GPUs on them though. What kind of frame/rack do you suggest?

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Quote from: DinosaurBit on August 27, 2020, 09:27:38 AM

Might sound like a basic question but how are you guys building your rigs with that many GPUs?

What I've done so far is I built my racks using cheap framing lumber... I just make sure MOBO has some spacing with wood using plastic pieces.

No way I'll invest in an aluminium frame at $100... I prefer to keep that money for GPUs.

Here are those masterpieces (there are actually two racks there... I just built them so they could be stacked):

I've seen those shelves being used a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UltraZinc-Shelving-Wheels/dp/B07CJVL5BK

... could have 6 rigs on one shelf. I'm wondering how I could "hang" GPUs on them though. What kind of frame/rack do you suggest?

I did the exact same as you, basically took a pen tube and cut it in small pieces and used those as the "spacing" between the wood and motherboard. Don't let the motherboard sit directly on the wood because there is a hot spot in one area, I think its the South or North gate of the motherboard and can get hot, might start a fire.

I also was going to use aluminum but they were too expensive, so I got some steel ones however they were crazy heavy and just stuck with wood instead. Had open air wood rigs for years and never any issues.

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Might sound like a basic question but how are you guys building your rigs with that many GPUs?

What I've done so far is I built my racks using cheap framing lumber... I just make sure MOBO has some spacing with wood using plastic pieces.

No way I'll invest in an aluminium frame at $100... I prefer to keep that money for GPUs.

Here are those masterpieces (there are actually two racks there... I just built them so they could be stacked):

I've seen those shelves being used a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UltraZinc-Shelving-Wheels/dp/B07CJVL5BK

... could have 6 rigs on one shelf. I'm wondering how I could "hang" GPUs on them though. What kind of frame/rack do you suggest?

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@waggy459 @DinosaurBit @mmaenpaa -- thanks for sharing, at Phil's thread we are all here to share and learn from each other. Thanks to members here I sailed through my mining days since 2015 with flying colors. I started with only R9-390 rig and after 6 exactly same rigs..... I stumbled into a guy called Phil and his thread Grin

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Did some finetuning and I am convinced that SMOS seems not able to set the correct OC clocks...

K35 8xPCI Riserless motherboard
Cheapo Celeron Duo
4GB RAM
No storage
SMOS USB stick
Delta 2400w Platinum PSU (94%)

I forget if these 480s are modded.

Looking at SMOS, the BIOS seems legit and have not been modded.

I have set 825 core memory but I noticed that SMOS dashboard reports 975 - so something is not correct here.

I will do somemore experiment today.

Btw, my Shenzen supplier said that 5700XT (no brand) are available in bulk at 200 pieces per batch at 396 USD - price may have changed since the datestamp on message was 3rd August

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Quote from: adaseb on August 26, 2020, 08:12:32 PM

Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 11:18:56 AM

Quote from: waggy459 on August 26, 2020, 09:17:53 AM

Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 02:46:37 AM

from the killawatt 807watts

nothing to brag about for 5 x 480s at 28.xx mhs

the newer GPUs like single 5700XT can do twice the hash at lower watts

--- snip ---

Software still reporting a total of ~664?

Yeah, the 5700xt is basically a double card, lol. Now that I've learned a bit with the dozen Polaris cards I have, I have an appetite for more efficiency going forward.

SMOS still reports the same 664w

the mobo, ram, cpu etc takes about 142w

I can only conclude that the 80ish watts is not correct, since it totals only 408w.

it should be 664w div 5 = avg aropund 130ish per GPU, which aint that great for only 28mhs

I will keep these 470s,480s aside and offline for now (i have total 240 + 60 of them)

All my 1080tis, 1070tis, Vegas are mining ETH for a while now

A few 1060 and P106-100 rigs are also just up and running.

When ETH goes parabolic, I will squeeze the melons out of the 470,480s - at that time electricty wont be hard to justify.

What kind of motherboard and CPU is this? It should take 40 watts or so not 140. If you got some old Quad-core intel CPU then I guess it makes sense. However for most low power celeron processors it seems high.

With 5 GPUs of Polaris GPUs your consumption should be ~650 Watts or so. 800 Watts seems high, most likely due to your CPU+Mobo. Are you sure they are all undervolted to 900mV at least?

he may have a bronze psu vs a plat

82% makes 664 turn into, 809 watts

92% makes 664 turn into, 721 watts.

also a hot meter can read 20-40watts higher.

at dinosaurbit. thread 1 of the 9 was the expansion from 1 card to 20 some odd cards.

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Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 11:18:56 AM

Quote from: waggy459 on August 26, 2020, 09:17:53 AM

Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 02:46:37 AM

from the killawatt 807watts

nothing to brag about for 5 x 480s at 28.xx mhs

the newer GPUs like single 5700XT can do twice the hash at lower watts

--- snip ---

Software still reporting a total of ~664?

Yeah, the 5700xt is basically a double card, lol. Now that I've learned a bit with the dozen Polaris cards I have, I have an appetite for more efficiency going forward.

SMOS still reports the same 664w

the mobo, ram, cpu etc takes about 142w

I can only conclude that the 80ish watts is not correct, since it totals only 408w.

it should be 664w div 5 = avg aropund 130ish per GPU, which aint that great for only 28mhs

I will keep these 470s,480s aside and offline for now (i have total 240 + 60 of them)

All my 1080tis, 1070tis, Vegas are mining ETH for a while now

A few 1060 and P106-100 rigs are also just up and running.

When ETH goes parabolic, I will squeeze the melons out of the 470,480s - at that time electricty wont be hard to justify.

What kind of motherboard and CPU is this? It should take 40 watts or so not 140. If you got some old Quad-core intel CPU then I guess it makes sense. However for most low power celeron processors it seems high.

With 5 GPUs of Polaris GPUs your consumption should be ~650 Watts or so. 800 Watts seems high, most likely due to your CPU+Mobo. Are you sure they are all undervolted to 900mV at least?

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Quote from: GabryRox on August 26, 2020, 04:34:28 PM

Quote from: soothaa on August 26, 2020, 02:47:46 PM

Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 02:34:38 PM

@soothaa ..... I doubt I have enough power in my current farm to get 40 plus rigs, since I gave up 50% of my farm space.

Aha that makes sense. Yeah I'll be cutting any RX570's/Vegas as I increase my 5700XT stack. Up to.. 20 I think. They're amazing cards.

I would have gone whole hog and bought 50-100, but I'm under contract for another rental building atm and can't be running a card up without getting an earful from my bank! Grin

I'm in a similar boat, although with 470's not 570's lol. So far i just received 2 5700's and 1 5700XT and constantly hunting more if i can find decent deals. You specifically mention the XT's... do you see a noticeable difference between them and the non-XT 5700s? I have read many places there is not much difference mining wise but looking to confirm that. My current mindset is buying 5700's if i can find them under $350 and the XT's around $375. Obviously, the XT's will probably fetch a bit more for eventual re-selling, but other than that, are there any notable upsides for mining that would warrant that price premium?

my 5700s are good and my 5700 xts are good.

price matters if i can find 5700s at 325 i get them.

I did get some 5600s for 244each they were worth it.

I got some 5500s at 191 each not so sure they are worth buying.

but. I have six xmr rigs so using 1 card on them kind of works.

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Now the money is free, and so the people will be

I like my 470s. Dont remember how much from the wall though.
I think its 0.85v/1150/2050, sapphires. edit: 8gbs

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Quote from: soothaa on August 26, 2020, 02:47:46 PM

Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 02:34:38 PM

@soothaa ..... I doubt I have enough power in my current farm to get 40 plus rigs, since I gave up 50% of my farm space.

Aha that makes sense. Yeah I'll be cutting any RX570's/Vegas as I increase my 5700XT stack. Up to.. 20 I think. They're amazing cards.

I would have gone whole hog and bought 50-100, but I'm under contract for another rental building atm and can't be running a card up without getting an earful from my bank! Grin

I'm in a similar boat, although with 470's not 570's lol. So far i just received 2 5700's and 1 5700XT and constantly hunting more if i can find decent deals. You specifically mention the XT's... do you see a noticeable difference between them and the non-XT 5700s? I have read many places there is not much difference mining wise but looking to confirm that. My current mindset is buying 5700's if i can find them under $350 and the XT's around $375. Obviously, the XT's will probably fetch a bit more for eventual re-selling, but other than that, are there any notable upsides for mining that would warrant that price premium?

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Quote from: citronick on August 26, 2020, 02:34:38 PM

@soothaa ..... I doubt I have enough power in my current farm to get 40 plus rigs, since I gave up 50% of my farm space.

Aha that makes sense. Yeah I'll be cutting any RX570's/Vegas as I increase my 5700XT stack. Up to.. 20 I think. They're amazing cards.

I would have gone whole hog and bought 50-100, but I'm under contract for another rental building atm and can't be running a card up without getting an earful from my bank! Grin

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