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Topic: | Nxt | Blockchain Platform | Proof of Stake | Official - page 203. (Read 941260 times)

legendary
Activity: 1428
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There is a 300BTC buy on the MGW for @ 33xx sats. I think we are being manipulated down so that can get filled.

Im sure it will rebound after that happens  Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 1110
Merit: 534

Is there a massive dump?!
What is going on?!

Are the whales migrating from north to south?!
 Huh Shocked Cry Lips sealed Angry Embarrassed Undecided

tyz
legendary
Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533
Yes, we reached 3500 sats. This is really concerning that no development can't stop this downtrend  Undecided

Price droping more and more!!
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
Move On !!!!!!
Price droping more and more!!
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1000
B ! You are turning into a right NXT sceptic. Grin

Anyhow, on with the show, B can skip this bit:

I'm contributing to a blue-sky Greek rescue proposal, in co-operation with a loose coalition of crypto projects, businesses and VCs.
Heres an overview of the project so far:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Main_Page
and here's the discussion:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

Up to speed so far ?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713
is an op-ed piece on the project by one of the backers, could you lot please share it on Twitter/FB/whatever and maybe add some comments?
If this story gets further picked up by the mainstream, it could get a lot of exposure for NXT and crypto in general.
Thanks......and, if you do comment, please be friendly. This is a co-operative project, not a competition.



This is actually beyond hilarious. And with the infamous Brian Kelly as the author of the article to boot. Pure lunacy, of course.
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 1001
B ! You are turning into a right NXT sceptic. Grin

Anyhow, on with the show, B can skip this bit:

I'm contributing to a blue-sky Greek rescue proposal, in co-operation with a loose coalition of crypto projects, businesses and VCs.
Heres an overview of the project so far:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Main_Page
and here's the discussion:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

Up to speed so far ?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713
is an op-ed piece on the project by one of the backers, could you lot please share it on Twitter/FB/whatever and maybe add some comments?
If this story gets further picked up by the mainstream, it could get a lot of exposure for NXT and crypto in general.
Thanks......and, if you do comment, please be friendly. This is a co-operative project, not a competition.

legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1000
How do you explain a joke?

Lets just say that this is supposed to be a TRUSTLESS platform not one in the hands of X number of "operators". Who chooses these "three independent operators"? Who polices the police? Because it is unheard of that three different "independent" parties would act in cahoots to skim people out of their money... especially in crypto, right?

I understand your concerns and we're all in favour of trustlessness here, BUT:

  • It does not say anywhere that it's supposed to be trustless:
    http://multigateway.org
  • Please show me 1 running exchange that is completely trustless.
  • Completely trustless exchange between cryptos is not very easy to achieve. Instantdex will be trying to solve it, but it's still in deveopment.

I did not say the endeavor is easy, by any means. But possible indeed. In fact there are several coins already somewhat providing this already, without human intervention in all kinds of transactions. The matter here though is that, as it is, THIS is a total joke. Hence, my statement.
legendary
Activity: 1225
Merit: 1000
How do you explain a joke?

Lets just say that this is supposed to be a TRUSTLESS platform not one in the hands of X number of "operators". Who chooses these "three independent operators"? Who polices the police? Because it is unheard of that three different "independent" parties would act in cahoots to skim people out of their money... especially in crypto, right?

I understand your concerns and we're all in favour of trustlessness here, BUT:

  • It does not say anywhere that it's supposed to be trustless:
    http://multigateway.org
  • Please show me 1 running exchange that is completely trustless.
  • Completely trustless exchange between cryptos is not very easy to achieve. Instantdex will be trying to solve it, but it's still in deveopment.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1000
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.


Yep it needs 2/3

That isn't just NOT SECURE, that is actually a joke...

Explain?

How do you explain a joke?

Lets just say that this is supposed to be a TRUSTLESS platform not one in the hands of X number of "operators". Who chooses these "three independent operators"? Who polices the police? Because it is unheard of that three different "independent" parties would act in cahoots to skim people out of their money... especially in crypto, right?
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.


Yep it needs 2/3

That isn't just NOT SECURE, that is actually a joke...

Explain?
hero member
Activity: 715
Merit: 500
y doesnt the mgw just have more people managing the servers to possibly make it have at least 5 signatures instead of 2-3.
Bitcoin protocol support max 3 sig. If im not mistaken. Im not 100% sure. Someone would need to confirm or invalidate.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 252
y doesnt the mgw just have more people managing the servers to possibly make it have at least 5 signatures instead of 2-3.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
I think the word is distributed.

Centralized --> Distributed --> Decentralized
legendary
Activity: 1225
Merit: 1000

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.


Sure, but what happens in the case when at least two of three servers are offline or the maintainers disappear?

If at least 2 of 3 are offline, transactions will not be processed until they are online again.
On the other hand 2 of 3 would have to act together to run away with your funds.

Sounds bad?
Well, compared to all other centralized exchanges (bitstamp, cryptsy, bter, poloniex etc.) it's already better, as these could run away with your funds without having to agree with a second party.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but multigateway is just an intermediate step towards a fully decentralized trustless exchange: instantdex.

centralized -> semi-centralized -> decentralized
all current exchanges -> multigateway -> instantdex

tyz
legendary
Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.


Sure, but what happens in the case when at least two of three servers are offline or the maintainers disappear?
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1000
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.


Yep it needs 2/3

That isn't just NOT SECURE, that is actually a joke...
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.


Yep it needs 2/3
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1001
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.

I believe the MGW bitcoin addresses are all 2 of 3 multi-sig so if 1 operator goes the other 2 operators can still spend from the addresses.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.

Not sure completely, I think there are still some other security measures even if the servers disappear.  Regardless, if you are just looking to store only, there are much better methods.
tyz
legendary
Activity: 3360
Merit: 1533
Thanks, I want to store my Bitcoins on different locations securely. I already use a cold storage wallet. That means, if these three guys which running the servers decide to disappear, the BTC are gone, right? Then it is not a option for me at the moment. Just to exchange Bitcoin to NXT.

I am planning to store some of my BTCs on the MultiGateway. As far as I know is it not fully decentralized. How secure are those Bitcoins stored there? What happens if the servers are getting down or jl777 (is he running the servers?) is disappearing suddently? Would be nice if someone could answer these questions.

I wouldn't recommend using MGW as a method to safely store Bitcoin, however if you want BTC on AE for trading purposes, it's very secure.  Jl777 does not run the servers, they are operated by 3 independent parties that all need to agree on any deposit/withdrawal.  There has yet to be a "hack" of MGW.  Some guy has 300BTC on there, so I believe it's pretty safe, but cold storage or a dedicated wallet like Trezor are your best bets if you only want to store.
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