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legendary
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The way I read it, the individual forgers will choose a minimum fee they are willing to accept.  

The individual users will select a fee they are willing to pay.  As long as the fee of the user is above the fee of the forger, the transaction goes through.  The forger will get all of the fee offered up by the user, not just the minimum.  

The the users fee is too low, then the transaction will wait for the next block or for any block that will process it.  

I am not really sure if this is going to be implemented or not.  

Originally, I thought it was strange, but after thinking about it more, it is a really nice system.  After a while the free market will sort out an average known price for making sure a transaction goes through.

The problem with choosing a set price like 1 or .01 or .001 is it is so subjective and will constantly have to be changed as the price of NXT goes up and down.  

Static fees just don't represent a free market.  

Yes i strongly support this. I hope that JLP will implement this sometime. However it may be wise not to until the point at which at least even the most marginal demand exceeds supply.

Oh wow.  I hadn't heard of this before, but yeah, perfect idea.  Let the free market decide on the fee like it should be.  I hope this is implemented as well.  I don't see any point in waiting though...

The argument against waiting is that uncountably forgers would be willing to process transactions for free. This would mean that most people would submit transactions without paying any fee at all. This would reduce the incentive for people to forge. This would negatively impact the security of the network.

Ah, I think I see what you're saying.  So you (or others) think there would be some forgers that that wouldn't bother setting the fee up at all?...

Idk. I mean im just making the argument, that doesnt mean i agree with it. It would be interesting because the only reason you would set it to 0 is out of generosity, but it probably wouldn't actually be good for the network for you to do that, meaning it wouldn't actually be generous at all. So i really dont know if anyone would do that.

It would be one way to get 0 fee transactions accepted. Set your wallet to forge for 0 fee, then anytime you spend your going to confirm you own transactions for free. Or would it not work that way? Would I still have to be the one to forge the block in order for that transaction to go through?
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
Just reading your economic paper: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwAGADgnQcrtdXE5MkF5S05oaHM/edit?pli=1

Some questions:
-Do you want Nxt to be used as money (medium of exchange + store of value)? Because on page 4 I read "Deflation is not much better than inflation. 'Real' coins should be created on top of Nxt, and be issued in quantities that keep their value constant."

-Do you want to increase the amount of 1 billion Nxt? On page 4 it says "there is no limit for a specific type of monetary expansion".

I really like Nxt, but these economics discourage my enthusiasm Sad

i too am quite interested in NXT, i'd be interested for an answer to this too as coming from a tradtional mine and trade crypto background I dont quite get the payment system platforms like NXT and Ripple

nxt should always be used as "the money" inside of the nxt ecosystem because the security of the network is atleast partially a function of the price of nxt.

the 1 billion amount can never be changed except with a hard fork. just like bitcoin.

https://nxtforum.org/general/%27pos-stands-for-something-other-than-%27stake%27%27/

Here I read from allbits:
    "The reason why having a fixed never-growing supply is undesirable is obvious: it encourages wealth concentration and creates a static community of holders without an effective way for new people to get in, and it means that the coin has no way to incentive any specific kind of activity in the long term."

CfB answers:
"Antideflation is the last key element of Nxt. It's supposed to solve this problem."

Does this mean that Nxters in the end want to inflate the Nxt supply somehow?

I see no good reason to expect wealth concentration and a static community of holders. I mean its true that a large stake holder will tend to make larger transactions than a smaller stake holder meaning a smaller percentage of his wealth will be consumed in fees, but you need to also assume that larger stake holder will tend to redeploy a smaller percentage of their nxt worth than a smaller stake holder. Do we we have any data to support this? Granted wealthy people tend to consume a smaller percentage of their net worth but are they not, in general, more diversified in their investments than less wealthy people?

The point is that, maybe its true, im not saying that it isnt, but we simply lack the data necessary to come to a determination either way.
sr. member
Activity: 321
Merit: 252
Just reading your economic paper: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwAGADgnQcrtdXE5MkF5S05oaHM/edit?pli=1

Some questions:
-Do you want Nxt to be used as money (medium of exchange + store of value)? Because on page 4 I read "Deflation is not much better than inflation. 'Real' coins should be created on top of Nxt, and be issued in quantities that keep their value constant."

-Do you want to increase the amount of 1 billion Nxt? On page 4 it says "there is no limit for a specific type of monetary expansion".

I really like Nxt, but these economics discourage my enthusiasm Sad

i too am quite interested in NXT, i'd be interested for an answer to this too as coming from a tradtional mine and trade crypto background I dont quite get the payment system platforms like NXT and Ripple

nxt should always be used as "the money" inside of the nxt ecosystem because the security of the network is atleast partially a function of the price of nxt.

the 1 billion amount can never be changed except with a hard fork. just like bitcoin.

https://nxtforum.org/general/%27pos-stands-for-something-other-than-%27stake%27%27/

Here I read from allbits:
    "The reason why having a fixed never-growing supply is undesirable is obvious: it encourages wealth concentration and creates a static community of holders without an effective way for new people to get in, and it means that the coin has no way to incentive any specific kind of activity in the long term."

CfB answers:
"Antideflation is the last key element of Nxt. It's supposed to solve this problem."

Does this mean that Nxters in the end want to inflate the Nxt supply somehow?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
How much have been made with mining?

Its 516.219 NXT. Paid out.

Amazing.

Holy cow!

Man, i got two "free" computers because of hashrate.org  Cheesy


BUT there two things i dont sell: gold and NXT.

edit.... three: my wife
if she is cute, have you considered renting?
Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
The way I read it, the individual forgers will choose a minimum fee they are willing to accept.  

The individual users will select a fee they are willing to pay.  As long as the fee of the user is above the fee of the forger, the transaction goes through.  The forger will get all of the fee offered up by the user, not just the minimum.  

The the users fee is too low, then the transaction will wait for the next block or for any block that will process it.  

I am not really sure if this is going to be implemented or not.  

Originally, I thought it was strange, but after thinking about it more, it is a really nice system.  After a while the free market will sort out an average known price for making sure a transaction goes through.

The problem with choosing a set price like 1 or .01 or .001 is it is so subjective and will constantly have to be changed as the price of NXT goes up and down.  

Static fees just don't represent a free market.  

Yes i strongly support this. I hope that JLP will implement this sometime. However it may be wise not to until the point at which at least even the most marginal demand exceeds supply.

Oh wow.  I hadn't heard of this before, but yeah, perfect idea.  Let the free market decide on the fee like it should be.  I hope this is implemented as well.  I don't see any point in waiting though...

The argument against waiting is that uncountably forgers would be willing to process transactions for free. This would mean that most people would submit transactions without paying any fee at all. This would reduce the incentive for people to forge. This would negatively impact the security of the network.

Ah, I think I see what you're saying.  So you (or others) think there would be some forgers that that wouldn't bother setting the fee up at all?...

Idk. I mean im just making the argument, that doesnt mean i agree with it. It would be interesting because the only reason you would set it to 0 is out of generosity, but it probably wouldn't actually be good for the network for you to do that, meaning it wouldn't actually be generous at all. So i really dont know if anyone would do that.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
The way I read it, the individual forgers will choose a minimum fee they are willing to accept.  

The individual users will select a fee they are willing to pay.  As long as the fee of the user is above the fee of the forger, the transaction goes through.  The forger will get all of the fee offered up by the user, not just the minimum.  

The the users fee is too low, then the transaction will wait for the next block or for any block that will process it.  

I am not really sure if this is going to be implemented or not.  

Originally, I thought it was strange, but after thinking about it more, it is a really nice system.  After a while the free market will sort out an average known price for making sure a transaction goes through.

The problem with choosing a set price like 1 or .01 or .001 is it is so subjective and will constantly have to be changed as the price of NXT goes up and down.  

Static fees just don't represent a free market.  

Yes i strongly support this. I hope that JLP will implement this sometime. However it may be wise not to until the point at which at least even the most marginal demand exceeds supply.

Oh wow.  I hadn't heard of this before, but yeah, perfect idea.  Let the free market decide on the fee like it should be.  I hope this is implemented as well.  I don't see any point in waiting though...

The argument against waiting is that uncountably forgers would be willing to process transactions for free. This would mean that most people would submit transactions without paying any fee at all. This would reduce the incentive for people to forge. This would negatively impact the security of the network.

Ah, I think I see what you're saying.  So you (or others) think there would be some forgers that that wouldn't bother setting the fee up at all?...
sr. member
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NXT - GOLD FUTURES ASSET

Please share your thoughts right here:

https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/gold-futures-asset/
sr. member
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sr. member
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I got a challenge for you, guys. https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/msg46665/#msg46665

We would like to see 10% of Bitcoin's network strength. Who dares to take that challenge?
sr. member
Activity: 288
Merit: 253
How much have been made with mining?

Its 516.219 NXT. Paid out.

Amazing.

That is an impressive number!

I am complete opponent of mining, as I find it incredible wasteful, thus I have no specific mining equipement. If I had, I'd support this!

NXT is by definition one of the "greenest" coins there is. Even my wife has NXT. She has really green values.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com
How much have been made with mining?

Its 516.219 NXT. Paid out.

Amazing.

That is an impressive number!

I am complete opponent of mining, as I find it incredible wasteful, thus I have no specific mining equipement. If I had, I'd support this!
sr. member
Activity: 288
Merit: 253
How much have been made with mining?

Its 516.219 NXT. Paid out.

Amazing.

Holy cow!

Man, i got two "free" computers because of hashrate.org  Cheesy


BUT there two things i dont sell: gold and NXT.

edit.... three: my wife
sr. member
Activity: 365
Merit: 251
The way I read it, the individual forgers will choose a minimum fee they are willing to accept.
There has to be a minimum minimum, to discourage spam. And that's the system we have now, with the minimum minimum 1 NXT. You can pay a higher fee if you want, but forgers aren't allowed to accept transactions paying less than 1 NXT.

The minimum minimum could be lower, but it really needs to be per-byte not per-transaction (because it's bytes that take space in the block-chain forever), and changing to per-byte isn't as trivial as updating a number.
sr. member
Activity: 364
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☕ NXT-4BTE-8Y4K-CDS2-6TB82
sr. member
Activity: 288
Merit: 253
How much have been made with mining?

Its 516.219 NXT. Paid out.

Amazing.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
☕ NXT-4BTE-8Y4K-CDS2-6TB82
How much have been made with mining?
sr. member
Activity: 288
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http://hashrate.org

X11 is growing guys!

JOIN the NXT POOL Cheesy

Mining as we speak. Its just soooooo easy to mine NXT with hashrate.org   Cheesy
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Trphy.io
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X11 is growing guys!

JOIN the NXT POOL Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1722
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The way I read it, the individual forgers will choose a minimum fee they are willing to accept.  

The individual users will select a fee they are willing to pay.  As long as the fee of the user is above the fee of the forger, the transaction goes through.  The forger will get all of the fee offered up by the user, not just the minimum.  

The the users fee is too low, then the transaction will wait for the next block or for any block that will process it.  

I am not really sure if this is going to be implemented or not.  

Originally, I thought it was strange, but after thinking about it more, it is a really nice system.  After a while the free market will sort out an average known price for making sure a transaction goes through.

The problem with choosing a set price like 1 or .01 or .001 is it is so subjective and will constantly have to be changed as the price of NXT goes up and down.  

Static fees just don't represent a free market.  

Yes i strongly support this. I hope that JLP will implement this sometime. However it may be wise not to until the point at which at least even the most marginal demand exceeds supply.

Oh wow.  I hadn't heard of this before, but yeah, perfect idea.  Let the free market decide on the fee like it should be.  I hope this is implemented as well.  I don't see any point in waiting though...

The argument against waiting is that uncountably forgers would be willing to process transactions for free. This would mean that most people would submit transactions without paying any fee at all. This would reduce the incentive for people to forge. This would negatively impact the security of the network.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
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i too am quite interested in NXT, i'd be interested for an answer to this too as coming from a tradtional mine and trade crypto background I dont quite get the payment system platforms like NXT and Ripple

What exactly do you not understand? Smiley
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