[NXT] Decentralized Asset Exchange Discussion Thread - page 10.

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Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 17, 2014, 01:11:11 PM

What could be a solution?

At the very minimum *no unique Asset Name* and always display with name and an id (whether asset id or issuer).

If a user sees this:

CIYAM 12345
CIYAM 88888

they are *going to think twice* before buying and selling as they will be *confused* (and so they should be).

If they only see this:

CIYAM 12345

then we have a big problem (which is what we have *right now*).

(personally I think your idea of *no names* is even better but am not going to try and battle that one)

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What could be a solution?

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Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 17, 2014, 01:02:47 PM

I think having no unique names for Assets and instead relying on unique Asset IDs & #Accounts is far better than the current system.

To make it clear what I am talking about please login into testnet (http://nxtra.org/nxt-client-trustless) and take a look at the Asset called "CIYAM".

My account is 15092019138248535173 and you are able to look at my account and list my Assets you'll see that I have 50% of CIYAM Assets *but* I never created them (the "evil doer" did and sent 50% to me).

I think that would fool *most* people into thinking that I must have either created CIYAM or at least *endorse* it.

Seriously if we launch AE like this not only will NXT *crash* in price but we'll look like fucking idiots (or outright scammers).

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I think having no unique names for Assets and instead relying on unique Asset IDs & #Accounts is far better than the current system.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:57:17 AM

I'm afraid we can't, I do not control such things. I add new features but Jean-Luc decides what to include into production. Ask him.

Makes you wonder what the point of this topic is then - but okay I will just email him instead.

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 09:54:49 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:52:14 AM

Well, the reality is that we do have name and removing it is not worth the reward, IMHO. For 100 ppl saying that we don't need name u can find 100 ppl saying that we do need it. So, let's leave it as is.

Then can we just make it *not unique* as I don't want a trickster creating CIYAM Asset.

Clear enough?

(otherwise I am going to suggest that *you are responsible* for anyone getting scammed by this)

I'm afraid we can't, I do not control such things. I add new features but Jean-Luc decides what to include into production. Ask him.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:52:14 AM

Well, the reality is that we do have name and removing it is not worth the reward, IMHO. For 100 ppl saying that we don't need name u can find 100 ppl saying that we do need it. So, let's leave it as is.

Then can we just make it *not unique* as I don't want a trickster creating CIYAM Asset.

Clear enough?

(otherwise I am going to suggest that *you are responsible* for anyone getting scammed by this)

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 09:46:18 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:43:57 AM

So we have "name" in both the cases?

Yes - *now the user sees that there is a problem* (they would not see this problem if the only thing called CIYAM was created by a trickster).

Of course they are now going to "check which one is right" rather than just randomly pick one - don't you think?

So put simply - Asset Name is *not* unique and always display the Issuer account id next to it (in every client). I think that this reduces the incentive to even bother "trying" to confuse people and of course makes squatting impossible.

Well, the reality is that we do have name and removing it is not worth the reward, IMHO. For 100 ppl saying that we don't need name u can find 100 ppl saying that we do need it. So, let's leave it as is.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:43:57 AM

So we have "name" in both the cases?

Yes - *now the user sees that there is a problem* (they would not see this problem if the only thing called CIYAM was created by a trickster).

Of course they are now going to "check which one is right" rather than just randomly pick one - don't you think?

So put simply - Asset Name is *not* unique and always display the Issuer account id next to it (in every client). I think that this reduces the incentive to even bother "trying" to confuse people and of course makes squatting impossible.

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 09:41:58 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:39:01 AM

People need names, they name everything they work with.

The *software* will find the name and display it. You will see this:

CIYAM 12345
CIYAM 88888

Now - user just selects the one that *matches* the account they were told and work with that one from then on.

Got it?

So we have "name" in both the cases?

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:39:01 AM

People need names, they name everything they work with.

The *software* will find the name and display it. You will see this:

CIYAM 12345
CIYAM 88888

Now - user just selects the one that *matches* the account they were told (or read about in the IPO announcement) and work with that one from then on.

Got it?

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 09:31:49 AM

In that case I would like the Asset Name *removed altogether* as otherwise I can bet someone will create an Asset called CIYAM and rip people off with it because of the name.

I'm not sure why you are in support of letting people do such squatting and scamming - it will never go down well "in the real business world".

People need names, they name everything they work with.

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Maybe change the Asset Name to Asset Identifier and the issuer cannot choose it. It's just a random string. No core change, no phishing, no squatting.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 17, 2014, 09:29:47 AM

Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 08:02:13 AM

As long as duplicate names are permitted then I would be fine with that.

I don't like the idea, coz this could be (and will be) used for phishing.

In that case I would like the Asset Name *removed altogether* as otherwise I can bet someone will create an Asset called CIYAM and rip people off with it because of the name.

I'm not sure why you are in support of letting people do such squatting and scamming - it will never go down well "in the real business world".

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 08:02:13 AM

As long as duplicate names are permitted then I would be fine with that.

I don't like the idea, coz this could be (and will be) used for phishing.

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Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 17, 2014, 09:21:05 AM

What do you mean with "private to an account"?

Meaning every account can have an alias called say @email that is there email address (rather than a *global* Alias called @email).

12345@email = [email protected]
88888@email = [email protected]

Make sense?

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Quote from: CIYAM on March 17, 2014, 09:11:41 AM

Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 17, 2014, 09:07:17 AM

But Aliases are unique and people look at it first.

I was pretty sure we can have aliases that are "private to an account" (unless I am mistaken) so everyone can have an alias called @Asset_Id.

What do you mean with "private to an account"?

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What about unique identifiers (currently Asset Names, but you cannot choose it yourself) and a non-unique name (kind of a 'short description').

Now people search for the 'short-description' first but then look at the unique identifier and other stuff to reassure it is the right one.

No aliases involved.

edit: Yes, this would involve changing the code.

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Quote from: bitcoinpaul on March 17, 2014, 09:07:17 AM

But Aliases are unique and people look at it first.

I was pretty sure we can have aliases that are "private to an account" (unless I am mistaken) so everyone can have an alias called @Asset_Id.

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But Aliases are unique and people look at it first.

I have a mental block, it seems.

edit: Ok, wait. I process it one more time. Maybe I get it Wink

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