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legendary
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Honestly, I can barely follow you reading.

Listening to this will be just noise. Especially if you try to squeeze it in one minute....
This is waaaay too wordy. Especially for a 1 minute spot. It's not close to easily digestible, as it needs to be. I would turn off before the end of the second sentence. Some friendly constructive criticism.
Not trying to hammer down a good intentions, but one minute verbal spot is just not the place to introduce deeply complex new concepts, starting with NXT itself.  On a cost per word basis, on a cost per information basis, print in Bitcoin Magazine is the way to go, not sound bites on Let's Talk Bitcoin.

Which one establishes our cool blockchain logo brand?

of course its too wordy. like i said in my orginial post you always start out with something longer than you need and trim the fat with revisions. you guys are really beginning to frustrate me. notice how its gets less wordy with every revision.
legendary
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So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months?  And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising.  That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know.  I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.  

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

I'm with Rickyjames on this one.
I feel like the prices they are asking is steep as hell and they already invited us to speak there for free, didn't they? NXT is the future so they'll have to talk about us frequently if THEY want to be relevant.

Also after hearing some of these samples I get a feeling that we are a cheap brand desperately trying to get attention. NOt a good look. If it was interactive, sure, but this is just random soundbites
I see your point and I think it's a valid one.
If we could somehow manage to get someone on the show, that would be amazing!
We still got the community fund ~13kk Nxt so thats quite a lot of money.  We could do multiple things.
It's really a joke actually if we compare our marketing efforts to those of Ethereum.
We got the transparent forging, not them  Cool

A community fund of 13K NXT is only 5% of the 275K NXT is about to be spent / blown on these audio ads.  I think some serious thought needs to be put into whether or not these are worth the high price being charged especially since page one color ads last and last and last in a prime print location while a voice message is gone in 60 seconds.  Plus the print ad has the follow-on URL / QR.  Plus it's three times cheaper.

I think the audio shows are archived and downloadable. Also, I have never read this bitcoin magazine. Print tends to be out of date due to long print cycle. Not sure if I am alone in this and maybe a lot of people we want to reach are reading this magazine.

From what I can tell, the LTB audience is exactly the perfect demographic to recruit a lot of new NXT'ers from. We need as many people on the NXT team as possible. This audience certainly might buy some NXT, but I am much more interested in all the cool things they will build with NXT. That is the main value of the LTB audience as far as I am concerned.

I doubt jean-luc reads the bitcoin magazine, much more likely people like him listen to LTB.

James
legendary
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i think claims + arguments is more likely to acheve this than just random claims.

Well, I think that's the problem here. This time, I don't believe you are right.

well maybe its just me but if i hear someone make claims with no arguments i completely ignore it. maybe other people just accept claims at face value.
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Honestly, I can barely follow you reading.

Listening to this will be just noise. Especially if you try to squeeze it in one minute....
This is waaaay too wordy. Especially for a 1 minute spot. It's not close to easily digestible, as it needs to be. I would turn off before the end of the second sentence. Some friendly constructive criticism.
Not trying to hammer down a good intentions, but one minute verbal spot is just not the place to introduce deeply complex new concepts, starting with NXT itself.  On a cost per word basis, on a cost per information basis, print in Bitcoin Magazine is the way to go, not sound bites on Let's Talk Bitcoin.

Which one establishes our cool blockchain logo brand?

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/
sr. member
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This account was hacked. just recently got it back

So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months?  And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising.  That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know.  I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.  

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

I'm with Rickyjames on this one.
I feel like the prices they are asking is steep as hell and they already invited us to speak there for free, didn't they? NXT is the future so they'll have to talk about us frequently if THEY want to be relevant.

Also after hearing some of these samples I get a feeling that we are a cheap brand desperately trying to get attention. NOt a good look. If it was interactive, sure, but this is just random soundbites
I see your point and I think it's a valid one.
If we could somehow manage to get someone on the show, that would be amazing!
We still got the community fund ~13kk Nxt so thats quite a lot of money.  We could do multiple things.
It's really a joke actually if we compare our marketing efforts to those of Ethereum.
We got the transparent forging, not them  Cool

A community fund of 13K NXT is only 5% of the 275K NXT is about to be spent / blown on these audio ads.  I think some serious thought needs to be put into whether or not these are worth the high price being charged especially since page one color ads last and last and last in a prime print location while a voice message is gone in 60 seconds.  Plus the print ad has the follow-on URL / QR.  Plus it's three times cheaper.
Wasn't it 13 Million?
CfB was selling me some out of this fund to cover the payment of someone who would review the code.
legendary
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also like i said before i dont expect people to understand everything on one fly by. i just want to provide the arguments in addition to the claims because thats better than just making unsupported claims. the point is not to teach them everything about nxt. its to get them interested. i think claims + arguments is more likely to acheve this than just random claims. Even if they dont listen to the arguments or understand them, the fact that they are there is value in and of its self.

*edit* they will get, oh visa level transaction volume, oh instant transactions, oh lower cost, and they have arguments to support the claims. then they can either replay it to listen to the arguments carefully or they can go do more research on their own.

I think your text would be much better suited to a longer format, for instance in a segment of the podcast.

Compressing it in one minute is not going to work, and would water your effort.

In one minute you can get maybe one or two concepts, presented rather simply through.

This is not because people are stupid, but because of how people process information.

For what you are aiming for, I think you'd need 15-30 minutes.
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We are talking about the RIGHT to be able to vote.
Everyone've right to vote. Even if he've 0 NXT, he can make suggestion to make Nxt stronger. Find a flaw, for example. In decentralized system no one can bound anyone's right to vote.

And the guys which hold a few thousands are able to vote more than the guys which are holding a few cents!
Disagree. The weights of opinions/suggestions/proposals should be placed by the guys that DO (and decision'll be maked by them as well: coding, installing, buying/selling, anything). Competence! That's right, you can't place your own weight precisely in close to perfect (IMO) system, cos u're living in subjective reality. In science world u've to prove u're right. In social world u've to convince (community) u're right. That's simple.

THIS IS NATURAL! If the votes are resulting in bad decisions, these decisions were made by those who will loose the most. But then, let it be this way..
Disagree with both statements. It's not natural. It's not OK to build system u expect to fail right away.

Only NXT stakeholders have a right to vote in the NXT system, so at minimum someone has to have 1 NXT. Then, to extend that, how do you prevent someone from spamming a ton of 1 NXT accounts? You have to tie voting power directly to NXT to prevent cheating (which so far, is the only proposed way that is 100% cheat proof).

For some reason you think that all large stakeholders are incompetent and all small stakeholders are competent? I'd place thousands of more times trust in someone with a large stake because I know he has a lot more at risk, and is unlikely to want to harm the NXT ecosystem. I wouldn't trust someone with 1 NXT as much, as he may be a troll that spamming faucets so he can try to mess up NXT. So technically since the large stakeholder has more invested, he will research more, and thus be more informed about the issue at hand.

Even if 1 or 2 large stake holders do want to harm the system, they still have to convince dozens of other large stakeholders to hurt their own investment. Not going to happen.

As for natural or unnatural, all I know is someone creating tens of thousands of small accounts just to vote is very unnatural. So unless someone proposes a solution of creating a cheat-less method of voting that represents everyone equally, 1 NXT = 1 Vote is the most secure, non-gameable, and natural way to do it currently. I, personally, am open to new ideas, but so far none have been proposed.

So far the list non-gameable solutions look like this:

1) 1 NXT = 1 Vote
2) ...?
hero member
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Simcoin Developer
... By melding short term predictibility with longer term uncertanty,

I still have no idea what are you talking about  Grin

...proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations...

You write for the print, not for the air! Too long, too nested.

I mean, come on:

This trust can be leveraged by merchants to acheve instantly secure transactions or by customers to acheve visa level transaction volumes via transaction clearing performed by forgers before recording transactions in the blockchain.

This is long and convoluted even for print!
legendary
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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows forgers to build trust within the community. This trust can be leveraged by merchants to acheve instantly secure transactions or by customers to acheve visa level transaction volumes via transaction clearing performed by forgers before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin with its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

Anon,

super lots of respect for what you are trying to do, but the content of your one minute really should be the basis for an entire show or an infomercial. one minute is impossible to convey more than 1 idea and 1 call to action.

Remember, this will also be reaching total crypto newbies via terrestrial radio.

A one minute radio spot can only do so much. With radio, a lot of times people are not paying 100% attention to what is said.

I really liked joefox's second spot where there were all these news worthy things happening. If each time people heard the spot, they heard a string of even more news worthy things, then we establish NXT as always having good things happening.

I like the approach of the first spot announcing NXT, but without much details at all. Think Apple's 1984 ad. Then the subsequent spots tie into the first spot delivering on the promise of lots of good things happening with NXT.

Join the NXT team!

Something like that could be the call to action. If people hear all these good things happening with NXT, odds are they will want to become a part of it. With our unique decentralized community, anybody can participate, so I think that should be the call to action.

This is super expensive advertising, but listening to this will be dozens of very capable people who we should try to recruit into the NXT community.

If we can work in a recruitment pitch for talented people into the spot that would be fantastic. We have so many on the NXT team and talented people like to work with other talented people. The more talented people we have, the stronger NXT becomes.

James
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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code in an entirely different programming language, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term deterministic predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. When ever a merchant trusts future forging nodes, this trust can be leveraged for instantly secure transactions or for processing visa level transaction volumes via clearing performed by the nodes before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

needs a conclusion if anyone would like to help with that.

It also needs to be about 50% shorter than it is now.  75-100 words is all that can be fit into 1 minute, and 100 is REALLY pushing it.  In your case I'd go SHORTER because the text is VERY dense, technically.

The LTB audience is quite technical, generally, but they're also human.  We still have to catch their interest.  It's a podcast, not an academic conference Smiley

SAVE all of your longer versions, though.  We can definitely go in-depth, like this, in a full podcast where time is "free" because we create it Smiley


hero member
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i think claims + arguments is more likely to acheve this than just random claims.

Well, I think that's the problem here. This time, I don't believe you are right.
hero member
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"entirely different programming language" wasnt chosen arbitrarily. new code is a big selling point. if it was written in c++ it could be ostensibly new but in reality contain many small copy and pastes in a slightly different order. Not saying that it shouldnt be cut, maybe it should, we have limited resources, just wanted to point out that people do care.

Ah, I see. That's a valid point. Though, "written from scratch" would probably be enough.

You make it sound like it's written in some kind of advanced language, which is a big improvement in itself. Like it's Lisp or something Smiley
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So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months?  And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising.  That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know.  I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.  

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

I'm with Rickyjames on this one.
I feel like the prices they are asking is steep as hell and they already invited us to speak there for free, didn't they? NXT is the future so they'll have to talk about us frequently if THEY want to be relevant.

Also after hearing some of these samples I get a feeling that we are a cheap brand desperately trying to get attention. NOt a good look. If it was interactive, sure, but this is just random soundbites
I see your point and I think it's a valid one.
If we could somehow manage to get someone on the show, that would be amazing!
We still got the community fund ~13kk Nxt so thats quite a lot of money.  We could do multiple things.
It's really a joke actually if we compare our marketing efforts to those of Ethereum.
We got the transparent forging, not them  Cool

A community fund of 13K NXT is only 5% of the 275K NXT is about to be spent / blown on these audio ads.  I think some serious thought needs to be put into whether or not these are worth the high price being charged especially since page one color ads last and last and last in a prime print location while a voice message is gone in 60 seconds.  Plus the print ad has the follow-on URL / QR.  Plus it's three times cheaper.
legendary
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also like i said before i dont expect people to understand everything on one fly by. i just want to provide the arguments in addition to the claims because thats better than just making unsupported claims. the point is not to teach them everything about nxt. its to get them interested. i think claims + arguments is more likely to acheve this than just random claims. Even if they dont listen to the arguments or understand them, the fact that they are there is value in and of its self.

*edit* they will get, oh visa level transaction volume, oh instant transactions, oh lower cost, and they have arguments to support the claims. then they can either replay it to listen to the arguments carefully or they can go do more research on their own.
legendary
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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows forgers to build trust within the community. This trust can be leveraged by merchants to acheve instantly secure transactions or by customers to acheve visa level transaction volumes via transaction clearing performed by forgers before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin with its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.
sr. member
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This account was hacked. just recently got it back

So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months?  And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising.  That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know.  I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.  

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

I'm with Rickyjames on this one.
I feel like the prices they are asking is steep as hell and they already invited us to speak there for free, didn't they? NXT is the future so they'll have to talk about us frequently if THEY want to be relevant.

Also after hearing some of these samples I get a feeling that we are a cheap brand desperately trying to get attention. NOt a good look. If it was interactive, sure, but this is just random soundbites
I see your point and I think it's a valid one.
If we could somehow manage to get someone on the show, that would be amazing!
We still got the community fund ~13kk Nxt so thats quite a lot of money. We could do multiple things.
It's really a joke actually if we compare our marketing efforts to those of Ethereum.
We got the transparent forging, not them  Cool
hero member
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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code in an entirely different programming language, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term deterministic predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. When ever a merchant trusts future forging nodes, this trust can be leveraged for instantly secure transactions or for processing visa level transaction volumes via clearing performed by the nodes before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

needs a conclusion if anyone would like to help with that.

Explanation:
Boring stuff no one understands or cares about (I know, many understand it. but you get my point)
Wtf is he talking about


Wow, your telepathic skills are fantastic! Exactly my thoughts! Thanks, you saved me a lot of work Smiley

So, what he said.
newbie
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As a whale I can say that if voting power is dependent on amount of nxt, I will continue to value my coins high.

If something else is done, I won't value them as high I think.
legendary
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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code in an entirely different programming language, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term deterministic predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. When ever a merchant trusts future forging nodes, this trust can be leveraged for instantly secure transactions or for processing visa level transaction volumes via clearing performed by the nodes before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

needs a conclusion if anyone would like to help with that.

Honestly, I can barely follow you reading.

Listening to this will be just noise. Especially if you try to squeeze it in one minute.

I don't disagree with your strategy, but tactic needs 75% reduction in all that is not essential, like "entirely different programming language" - who cares? And what, is it a big advantage? Is Java so much superior to C that we need to feature it?



"entirely different programming language" wasnt chosen arbitrarily. new code is a big selling point. if it was written in c++ it could be ostensibly new but in reality contain many small copy and pastes in a slightly different order. Not saying that it shouldnt be cut, maybe it should, we have limited resources, just wanted to point out that people do care.
hero member
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So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months?  And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising.  That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know.  I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.  

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

This would have a CPM of around $20-$25.  Don Draper of Mad Men would say that's three times more effective.  Plus every ad could have a QR code or URL that would sweep the user immediately on to more info.

 Shocked that's cheap.
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