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Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 06:00:46 PM

Quote from: bithic on January 27, 2014, 05:49:57 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:45:32 PM

I just really disagree that LTB listeners should be treated like late night infomercial denizens by being bombarded with "catch phrases" and the like.

Ok, maybe a catch phrase is a bit much, but there needs to be a short definition each week for the benefit of those who are hearing about Nxt for the first time. It needs to be short so it doesn't take up too much room in the spot.

tell me what you had in mind.

I'll work on something, but I won't have time to think about it for an hour or two.

I still think your new draft is much too complicated for a 1 minute spot. I think I'm a pretty good representation of an average listener (professional software developer, technically-minded, but haven't delved into the inner-workings of crypto-algorithms), and that paragraph is something I need to mull over, re-read, and process slowly in order to follow your train of thought. Simplifying it in order to make it more digestible in one listen won't insult anyone's intelligence. It might be necessary to break some of the content out into other spots.

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Quote from: rickyjames on January 27, 2014, 06:08:20 PM

Quote from: bithic on January 27, 2014, 05:37:22 PM

Quote from: rickyjames on January 27, 2014, 05:32:36 PM

So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months? And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising. That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know. I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

I'm with Rickyjames on this one.
I feel like the prices they are asking is steep as hell and they already invited us to speak there for free, didn't they? NXT is the future so they'll have to talk about us frequently if THEY want to be relevant.

Also after hearing some of these samples I get a feeling that we are a cheap brand desperately trying to get attention. NOt a good look. If it was interactive, sure, but this is just random soundbites

NxtChg

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code in an entirely different programming language, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term deterministic predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. When ever a merchant trusts future forging nodes, this trust can be leveraged for instantly secure transactions or for processing visa level transaction volumes via clearing performed by the nodes before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

needs a conclusion if anyone would like to help with that.

Honestly, I can barely follow you reading.

Listening to this will be just noise. Especially if you try to squeeze it in one minute.

I don't disagree with your strategy, but tactic needs 75% reduction in all that is not essential, like "entirely different programming language" - who cares? And what, is it a big advantage? Is Java so much superior to C that we need to feature it?

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Quote from: bithic on January 27, 2014, 05:37:22 PM

Quote from: rickyjames on January 27, 2014, 05:32:36 PM

So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months? And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

I think its two episodes per week, with a listener base of 10000.

So we are paying a CPM of around $75 for this advertising. That's really expensive.

I'm not saying these audio spots are a bad idea, I don't know. I'm saying $20K is a LOT of real money for an advertising budget.

If we are ready to spend that kind of cash, we should consider print ads in Bitcoin Magazine.

For $20K we could get full page color ads on page 1 for the next three years in a printing of 25,000 in each month's production run.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/advertising/

http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/BITCOIN-Pricing-List-Interactive-Issues-17-19_web.pdf

This would have a CPM of around $20-$25. Don Draper of Mad Men would say that's three times more effective. Plus every ad could have a QR code or URL that would sweep the user immediately on to more info.

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code ~~in an entirely different programming language,~~ nxt is the first ~~truely~~ second generation crypto. By melding short term deterministic predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. ~~The ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. When ever a merchant trusts future forging nodes, this trust can be leveraged~~ for instantly secure transactions or for processing visa level transaction volumes ~~via clearing performed by the nodes before recording transactions in the blockchain.~~ Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

needs a conclusion if anyone would like to help with that.

Explanation:
~~Boring stuff no one understands or cares about (I know, many understand it. but you get my point)~~
Wtf is he talking about

Stuff i would concentrate on:
1000 tsp and more (>visa)
No 51% attack -> 100% decentralization
No company, only community
Energy cost ~ 0
Evolving fast, many Stuff to come -> Only in the beginning. Join the revolution (ok, maybe this is too much)

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:45:32 PM

I just really disagree that LTB listeners should be treated like late night infomercial denizens by being bombarded with "catch phrases" and the like.

There is a distinct difference between written an listened to information processing.

My phrase "dumbing down" was unlucky.

However, I think your text easily has information for five separate segments in it:

PoS
Mechanics of TF
Transaction speed
Costs
Viability in the future

I understand the purist wish/need to link all these together, as they are, but instead of engaging most people, they most probably just would tune out to the message, due to information density overload.

Believe me, any scriptwriter has faced this dilemma.

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Quote from: starik69 on January 27, 2014, 05:47:08 PM

Quote from: opticalcarrier on January 27, 2014, 05:40:57 PM

oh come on help me out here.... im using jd-gui as you suggested. I fed it the start.jar and I see lots of items under org.eclipse.jetty.start but nothing like Nxt. Now ive never used a decompiler before and Ive only had Java1 & 2 in college so Im not a SW dev. I even did a search in jd-gui for Nxt and nothing showed up

Go to webapps\root\WEB-INF\classes\ and open Nxt.class Cool

im all set thanks

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Quote from: erik__ on January 27, 2014, 04:41:11 PM

Quote from: coolmist on January 26, 2014, 08:34:43 PM

I have multiple voting methods coded for community testing (per utopianfuture's proposal) I just need a way to send and receive API calls in PHP. The below example returns NULL... Suggestions?

Code:

  function get_web_page( $url )
    {
...
        $ch = curl_init($url);
...
    }

$result = get_web_page('http://node6.mynxt.info:7874/nxt?requestType=getBalance&account=10006970057300228034');

var_dump($result);

?>

Maybe try:
function get_web_page($url)
{
return file_get_contents($url);
}

Code:

$jsonurl = "http://node6.mynxt.info:7874/nxt?requestType=getBalance&account=10006970057300228034";
$result = file_get_contents($jsonurl);
var_dump(json_decode($result));
?>

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Quote from: bithic on January 27, 2014, 05:49:57 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:45:32 PM

I just really disagree that LTB listeners should be treated like late night infomercial denizens by being bombarded with "catch phrases" and the like.

Ok, maybe a catch phrase is a bit much, but there needs to be a short definition each week for the benefit of those who are hearing about Nxt for the first time. It needs to be short so it doesn't take up too much room in the spot.

tell me what you had in mind.

NxtChg

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Quote from: gs02xzz on January 27, 2014, 04:46:04 PM

1) stake majority in which 1nxt=1vote is 50%+ to approve an issue.
2) account majority in which 1acct=1vote is 60%+ to veto the about approval.

Oh! Fresh idea! Good.

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Quote from: jkoil on January 27, 2014, 05:54:59 PM

Quote from: Sebastien256 on January 27, 2014, 05:34:22 PM

Quote from: Damelon on January 27, 2014, 05:31:47 PM

Quote from: Sebastien256 on January 27, 2014, 05:28:17 PM

both dgex and nextcoin forum are down. Anyone know what is going on?

DGEX and nextcoin forum work for me.

OK, that is weird... dunno what to say...

nextcoin.org required to accept a new certificate (a dialog appeared)

it is working now.

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Nxt NEM

Quote from: Sebastien256 on January 27, 2014, 05:34:22 PM

Quote from: Damelon on January 27, 2014, 05:31:47 PM

Quote from: Sebastien256 on January 27, 2014, 05:28:17 PM

both dgex and nextcoin forum are down. Anyone know what is going on?

DGEX and nextcoin forum work for me.

OK, that is weird... dunno what to say...

nextcoin.org required to accept a new certificate (a dialog appeared)

lazerlike

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is something wrong with dgex and nextcoin.org?

i get This Connection is Untrusted page!

bithic

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:45:32 PM

I just really disagree that LTB listeners should be treated like late night infomercial denizens by being bombarded with "catch phrases" and the like.

Ok, maybe a catch phrase is a bit much, but there needs to be a short definition each week for the benefit of those who are hearing about Nxt for the first time. It needs to be short so it doesn't take up too much room in the spot.

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Ready for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code in an entirely different programming language, nxt is the first truely second generation crypto. By melding short term deterministic predictibility with longer term uncertanty, nxt's 100% proof of stake security model opens the flood gates for a torrent of breakthrough innovations. The ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. When ever a merchant trusts future forging nodes, this trust can be leveraged for instantly secure transactions or for processing visa level transaction volumes via clearing performed by the nodes before recording transactions in the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally, unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrarily selected date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always.

needs a conclusion if anyone would like to help with that.

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Quote from: rickyjames on January 27, 2014, 05:32:36 PM

Quote from: rickyjames on January 27, 2014, 07:40:21 AM

Quote from: salsacz on January 27, 2014, 06:15:05 AM

Funding request

We have paid for 1 minute sponsor spot at the Let's talk Bitcoin for 3 months.

It cost 290k NXT for 3 months

We've paid the current equivalent of $20,000+ for these spots?

Wow.

So...how many of these spots will run in three months? And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

For this kind of cash outlay, we need a list of deadline dates for when the next new spot is due, and who is responsible for providing it. You know, centralized management. Grin

So, just curious...How many of these spots will run in three months? And what is the estimated number of listeners per spot?

1 minute of time on three months of shows, two shows a week so 24 total NXT Minutes.

In the last six weeks the 14 episodes released have been listened to or downloaded about 150,000 times, and on Feb 1 we start broadcasting on terrestrial radio twice a week in southern california which will add another 5k or so listeners who are brand new to cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: opticalcarrier on January 27, 2014, 05:40:57 PM

oh come on help me out here.... im using jd-gui as you suggested. I fed it the start.jar and I see lots of items under org.eclipse.jetty.start but nothing like Nxt. Now ive never used a decompiler before and Ive only had Java1 & 2 in college so Im not a SW dev. I even did a search in jd-gui for Nxt and nothing showed up

Go to webapps\root\WEB-INF\classes\ and open Nxt.class Cool

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Quote from: bithic on January 27, 2014, 05:32:22 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 05:22:37 PM

Quote from: bithic on January 27, 2014, 05:12:51 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on January 27, 2014, 04:52:18 PM

Ok so i decided to write something really quick as a submission for this commercial on lets lets talk bitcoin.

this is a super super super rough draft.

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Got a minute for whats next? Written from the ground up with brand new source code in an entirely different programming language, nxt is the first truly second generation crypto. It's 100% proof of stake security model melds short term deterministic predictability with longer term uncertainty to open the floodgates and release a torrent of potential breakthrough innovations to the cryptospace. Foremost among these, the ability to predict future forging nodes allows those nodes to build trust within the community. This trust can be leveraged for things like instantly secure transactions if the merchant accepting the nxt trusts the next several nodes in line. Or visa level transaction load volume via nodes clearing transactions before recording them into the blockchain. Nxt's 100% proof of stake security model eliminates many of the costs associated with blockchain security that are, with bitcoin, presently born by the savers in the form of inflation. Finally unlike bitcoin and its limited time block subsidy, there is no arbitrary date far off in the future where nxt's security model will be put to the final test, if nxt works now, it will work always. Tune in next week where we address some of the legitimate criticisms as well as some of the myths associated with nxt.

what do you guys think. do you like the direction? i know its a little over the limit but thats good because the first step in revision is trimming the fat.

I think the number one goal should be to get them curious enough to go to the website/wiki. Tantalize them and then give them the resources to delve deeper.

I 100% agree with this. my thought is that a claim + an argument that flies past them is better than a claim with no argument what so ever. I really think that we have to rethink marketing when trying to talk to this community. they are much much much smarter than the marginal citizen.

Ok, then I suggest starting with the required strong intro with catch phrase and the necessary ending with website link, and then see how much you can fit in between them, paying attention to the tough time limit restrictions. mindtomatter suggested something like 65-75 words in total, and we are already dealing with much more than that.

I just really disagree that LTB listeners should be treated like late night infomercial denizens by being bombarded with "catch phrases" and the like.

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Quote from: starik69 on January 27, 2014, 05:29:40 PM

Quote from: opticalcarrier on January 27, 2014, 04:46:41 PM

but i see no NXT code anywhere

Then what do you mean by NXT code?

Code:

public class Nxt
extends HttpServlet
{...

oh come on help me out here.... im using jd-gui as you suggested. I fed it the start.jar and I see lots of items under org.eclipse.jetty.start but nothing like Nxt. Now ive never used a decompiler before and Ive only had Java1 & 2 in college so Im not a SW dev. I even did a search in jd-gui for Nxt and nothing showed up

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Quote from: mindtomatter on January 27, 2014, 05:37:00 PM

I really thought your take on it was great and I think the waver in your voice was a) fine as is and b) will go away with very little experience. You should make some of these.

Thanks!

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